Which kitchen appliances actually last?
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threadlock said:
Our integrated dishwasher just went pop 
It was in the house when we bought it last year. I pulled it out last night to investigate. No clue what caused the problem, but I've discovered that the machine was built in 1989 when the house was built (and presumably when the kitchen was installed). It's a Neff dishwasher that has lasted 30 years. The integrated Neff oven and Miele washing machine the previous owners left behind are probably of the same vintage.
I wouldn't expect a modern Neff appliance to last even half that time, and despite reading this thread I have no bloody clue what brand to choose when we redo the kitchen in a few months.
If it's integrated, it doesnt' matter what it looks like !It was in the house when we bought it last year. I pulled it out last night to investigate. No clue what caused the problem, but I've discovered that the machine was built in 1989 when the house was built (and presumably when the kitchen was installed). It's a Neff dishwasher that has lasted 30 years. The integrated Neff oven and Miele washing machine the previous owners left behind are probably of the same vintage.
I wouldn't expect a modern Neff appliance to last even half that time, and despite reading this thread I have no bloody clue what brand to choose when we redo the kitchen in a few months.
Get a second hand one from gumtree to put you on.
Ours has lasted 3 years so far and was £30 from 10 miles away. They ony used it at Christmas Easter and birthdays as "its easier just to wash up for two".
Sebastian Tombs said:
Miele.
They are all stainless steel and built solidly, the cutlery draw at the top is way better than those baskets, they have wine glass holders and you can put lead crystal glasses into them.
They are also quiet, energy efficient, and very good at washing the dishes.
Same as our neffThey are all stainless steel and built solidly, the cutlery draw at the top is way better than those baskets, they have wine glass holders and you can put lead crystal glasses into them.
They are also quiet, energy efficient, and very good at washing the dishes.
LeadFarmer said:
... People who say 'my Bosch washing machine is 15yrs old', simply means that 15yrs ago Bosch made a good washing machine, but it doesn't mean they do now
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MJNewton said:
...Bear in mind... ...it's not who makes them, it's how well they're made ....
.. Bosch are a great example with their Logixx and Exxcel lines made in different factories to different specifications and designs
We have a washing machine and dishwasher from JL; both over 10 years old
They're lasting us well and are both great performers. I don't recall them costing much; I think it was probably the warranty that initially attracted us and I seem to recall a recommendation from a washing machine repair man for them.
Lot of truth in all of that. You read reviews of current machines and none of them can comment what it will be like in two decades time and certainly (sadly) things mainly seem to last well now that in the past, perhaps with the exception of cars which will now do 15-20 years and 150-200k in a way that would have been considered impossible... Bosch are a great example with their Logixx and Exxcel lines made in different factories to different specifications and designs
We have a washing machine and dishwasher from JL; both over 10 years old
They're lasting us well and are both great performers. I don't recall them costing much; I think it was probably the warranty that initially attracted us and I seem to recall a recommendation from a washing machine repair man for them.
We bought Liebherr fridges as a lot of reports of them lasting well, and it appears, also making for Miele. Certainly they feel solid and are quieter and nicer to use than most. Things keep better in the fridge, set at 3deg, than cheaper units.
Local Liebherr outlet would match AO prices, delivered them and in wrapped.
We have acquired and old Miele dishwasher so that is staying till it fails, but having priced up a service that's off the cards. However I will try and get spares to change the door seal.
Everything thing else is off eBay, got a 1yr old Zannusi/Electrolux washing machine for £85 with stuck temp knob, fixed with a blob of grease 8 years ago. Partners AEG washing machine and freezer where also very nice.
The parents bought a Bosch washing machine from a model specific recommendation from the repair man they had used to keep their previous Hotpoint going for 25years including three kids worth of terry towel nappies.
They bought it from the local shop, gave a fair price, including fitting it and taking away the new one.
Daniel
Barry Homo said:
Does anyone make good kettles? Even the expensive stuff from the high street seems to fall apart after a couple of years.
I have a 20yr old Philips S/S one, works perfectly but my OH decided she wanted a red Bosch one. The only Bosch appliance we have that is s
t (and we have a lot of Bosch stuff). Barry Homo said:
Does anyone make good kettles? Even the expensive stuff from the high street seems to fall apart after a couple of years.
I gave up on electric kettles over a decade ago - this is still going strong:https://www.johnlewis.com/le-creuset-kone-stovetop...
I always went for AEG in the past. Electrolux were another brand I liked.
I don't know if their reputation holds up these days.
My Siemens washing machine is 13/14 years old and still going strong. It had a 10yr warranty and I called them out once in 2013, can't remember the fault (something simple) but the engineer said 'they don't make 'em like this anymore...'
I don't know if their reputation holds up these days.
My Siemens washing machine is 13/14 years old and still going strong. It had a 10yr warranty and I called them out once in 2013, can't remember the fault (something simple) but the engineer said 'they don't make 'em like this anymore...'
Barry Homo said:
Does anyone make good kettles? Even the expensive stuff from the high street seems to fall apart after a couple of years.
No. So buy one form JL with a two year warranty and take it back after 18 months as the plastic chrome coating is coming off/doesn't get to boiling/etcWe're on our third now.
( It's a bosch and doesn't look like failing or falling apart.
Which reminds me
So said:
We generally buy the cheapest appliances that will fit in the holes. All ours are fully integrated, so I don't care if they're CDA, Electrolux or Miele. So long as the fridge keeps things cold, the freezer keeps things frozen, the washer makes clothes clean and the dryer dries them I am quite happy.
In terms of longevity I think the White Knight dryer is winning at about 8 years.
I'm trying out some of the no brand appliances you can buy on eBay, you can often find the same things with a brand on too. The prices are around a third of the big names and somehow I doubt they will have less than a third of the lifetime. No really environmentally friendly, but if the sellers of big ticket equipment want to put very long full cover warranties on their kit I might change my mind. It also depends if you want specific functions that more expensive appliances might market to you, nothing wrong with going for that. In terms of longevity I think the White Knight dryer is winning at about 8 years.
Smeg dishwasher lasted about 12 years
Bosch replacement is now 4 years old : no issues yet
Smeg washing machine lasted about 12 years
Hoover replacement is 4 years old : no problems.
Baumatic Fridge-freezer is 16 years old and still going strong (although I've broken some of the drawer front in the freezer, but that's as much down to me being ham-fisted and maybe not defrosting it often enough)
Hotpoint double oven : 16 yrs old. One of the elements went in the lower oven 4 or 5 yers ago. I rarely use it tho, so I'll get round to replacing it at some point.
Ikea built-in microwave : 10 years old, no problems.
Isomac Zaffiro espresso machine : needed a new boiler after about 6 years. Went through 2 elements in the same time. Can't get a new boiler for love nor money so replaced it with...
Fracino Bambino : Second hand, had it 4 years now. Needs a service but still going strong (but I'd expect that for a commercial machine)
Bosch replacement is now 4 years old : no issues yet
Smeg washing machine lasted about 12 years
Hoover replacement is 4 years old : no problems.
Baumatic Fridge-freezer is 16 years old and still going strong (although I've broken some of the drawer front in the freezer, but that's as much down to me being ham-fisted and maybe not defrosting it often enough)
Hotpoint double oven : 16 yrs old. One of the elements went in the lower oven 4 or 5 yers ago. I rarely use it tho, so I'll get round to replacing it at some point.
Ikea built-in microwave : 10 years old, no problems.
Isomac Zaffiro espresso machine : needed a new boiler after about 6 years. Went through 2 elements in the same time. Can't get a new boiler for love nor money so replaced it with...
Fracino Bambino : Second hand, had it 4 years now. Needs a service but still going strong (but I'd expect that for a commercial machine)
psi310398 said:
Barry Homo said:
Does anyone make good kettles? Even the expensive stuff from the high street seems to fall apart after a couple of years.
I gave up on electric kettles over a decade ago - this is still going strong:Barry Homo said:
Does anyone make good kettles? Even the expensive stuff from the high street seems to fall apart after a couple of years.
Bosch TWK7601GBHad it three years and still working perfectly, does a single mug boil in less than 30 seconds. Bought for just under twenty quid, prices vary wildly so look for a good deal.
We have one of these for hot water and it is excellent.
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8873844
For appliances it varies but the last two dishwashers have been Bekos and excellent, the last one was 9 years old and died because the house filled up with water, the replacement is an integrated Beko. The washing machine is also a Beko and still going strong after 10 years (it survived the flood that took out the dishwasher). Fridge-freezer is 9 years old and fine its a Samsung. New cooker and hob recently from ao it's the Stoves range, only a few months old so tough to judge thus far. Previous cooker was an Indicet and lasted some 10 years, killed by the same flood that killed the dishwasher.
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8873844
For appliances it varies but the last two dishwashers have been Bekos and excellent, the last one was 9 years old and died because the house filled up with water, the replacement is an integrated Beko. The washing machine is also a Beko and still going strong after 10 years (it survived the flood that took out the dishwasher). Fridge-freezer is 9 years old and fine its a Samsung. New cooker and hob recently from ao it's the Stoves range, only a few months old so tough to judge thus far. Previous cooker was an Indicet and lasted some 10 years, killed by the same flood that killed the dishwasher.
Got a 5 year old Panasonic microwave and it's been flawless, 950W too, so cooks quick with good size interior. My parents had a Panasonic in the 90s and had it over 15 years. I don't think it broke, just got a bit tatty and wanted a new one.
Hotpoint washing machine is 5 years old and doing great (£150-200 price range).
I've got a cheap fridge, I think the brand is Philco it was a hand me down, so around 10 years old I guess now. I had to replace the interior bulb once, and that's it. I've never actually had a major break down with an appliance, but only been a home owner for 5 years now.
Hotpoint washing machine is 5 years old and doing great (£150-200 price range).
I've got a cheap fridge, I think the brand is Philco it was a hand me down, so around 10 years old I guess now. I had to replace the interior bulb once, and that's it. I've never actually had a major break down with an appliance, but only been a home owner for 5 years now.
Delonghi microwave/grill/oven, failed 15 days after the warranty/guarantee ran out. Won't buy any more of their kit. Replaced with a Panasonic microwave/grill/oven, no issues at all, just keeps going - 3 years now.
High specification oven in the house when I moved in, like others have said, an absolute PITA to program and to reset the clock could have been an Olympic sport. Cheap Belling replacement still going strong 9 years later. An oven thermostat replaced for £10 and an afternoon-ish of my time.
Hotpoint washer dryer - £400 in 1989, that did 22 years. Zanussi washer dryer, I got just under 5 years out of that, and that’s just a single bloke in the house. Replaced with a Miele washer– fingers crossed. It was £700…. 2 years now
Hotpoint Dishwasher– 11 years, then replaced with Hotpoint – 6 years, now Miele - 2 years…
Hotpoint fridge/freezer failed, easily 20 years old, replaced with a Daewoo, which has done 5 years now, the door seal has gone, but it’s not an issue. A plastic door tray has cracked, but adhesive came to the rescue. Then it cracked again so I 3-D printed a new one!
There is an old (30 years?) Electrolux fridge/freezer under the stairs used for beers in the fridge and meat in the freezer. An issue with the freezer door seal, but it works fine, and it cost me nothing.
Kettles – Russell Hobbs- failed 3 years, Delonghi – failed <2 years, Tesco own brand – that one failed within 8 weeks.
Not a good kettle, but a cheap one - £6
https://www.wilko.com/en-uk/wilko-white-cordless-1...
Although it’s done 2 years of service. I bought 2 after a mate at Donnington said he refused to pay £2:70 for a coffee when a kettle was then £5. So far so good…
I bought a Dualit toaster as they are designed to be taken apart and fixed. It wasn’t cheap though.
High specification oven in the house when I moved in, like others have said, an absolute PITA to program and to reset the clock could have been an Olympic sport. Cheap Belling replacement still going strong 9 years later. An oven thermostat replaced for £10 and an afternoon-ish of my time.
Hotpoint washer dryer - £400 in 1989, that did 22 years. Zanussi washer dryer, I got just under 5 years out of that, and that’s just a single bloke in the house. Replaced with a Miele washer– fingers crossed. It was £700…. 2 years now
Hotpoint Dishwasher– 11 years, then replaced with Hotpoint – 6 years, now Miele - 2 years…
Hotpoint fridge/freezer failed, easily 20 years old, replaced with a Daewoo, which has done 5 years now, the door seal has gone, but it’s not an issue. A plastic door tray has cracked, but adhesive came to the rescue. Then it cracked again so I 3-D printed a new one!
There is an old (30 years?) Electrolux fridge/freezer under the stairs used for beers in the fridge and meat in the freezer. An issue with the freezer door seal, but it works fine, and it cost me nothing.
Kettles – Russell Hobbs- failed 3 years, Delonghi – failed <2 years, Tesco own brand – that one failed within 8 weeks.
Not a good kettle, but a cheap one - £6
https://www.wilko.com/en-uk/wilko-white-cordless-1...
Although it’s done 2 years of service. I bought 2 after a mate at Donnington said he refused to pay £2:70 for a coffee when a kettle was then £5. So far so good…
I bought a Dualit toaster as they are designed to be taken apart and fixed. It wasn’t cheap though.
dobly said:
Going back to the OP's microwave, closing the door immediately after heating the food / drink will trap in a lot of condensation and therefore vastly increase the likelihood of rust forming on non-stainless steel... It's hardly rocket science, but by leaving the door open for a few minutes after the end of heating (and using a kitchen extractor when using any kitchen heating product) will increase the life of appliances.
Indeed, but given the amount of stainless required, why not make it out of the right stuff for the job. Microwave as work runs the fan for a short period after use, would do my head in at home, but presumably is to solve this?psi310398 said:
I won't single out any single manufacturer but, for those considering buying cheaper appliances, the savings might be considerably outweighed by a house fire:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/househo...
Me, I'd rather spend a few bob more and avoid the risk...
One of the other advantages to the Liebherr fridges is that this are all Ali backed to protect the foam from fire.https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/househo...
Me, I'd rather spend a few bob more and avoid the risk...
I have an ebay search saved for the make and model of fridge which started grenfell, not sure why, bt one comes up for sale about after 4-6 weeks.
Barry Homo said:
Does anyone make good kettles? Even the expensive stuff from the high street seems to fall apart after a couple of years.
We have one of these, 15 months and counting.Nice, very low 'min' line, but honestly one of the loudest kettles I have ever used and not the clearest level indicator. Plastic 'cool touch' sides and flat plate element.
geeks said:
Nice alternative to the boiling water taps. How long have you had it?Gassing Station | Homes, Gardens and DIY | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff