Which kitchen appliances actually last?

[Arranguez]

Sheepshanks said:

Another thing about Miele is they don't seem to do fully integrated appliances.

I’ve a fully integrated fridge. They do integrated freezers and dishwashers too. I assumed you meant with a door on the front like the rest of your kitchen.

[Raj28]

Welshbeef said:

Apart from the fact Wolf and Miele have 25 year Warranties / not sure about Sub zero but that’s going to be a very long term thing too.

Basically you cut your cloth accordingly. I don’t think now you can buy a BAD bit of kit it’s the appearance functions and feel of the product.

If money was no object I’d have Wolf sub zero and Miele no question. If I was scraping by I’d get a daewoo or something with a long warranty, if I was middle of the road /middle class I’d be getting the top of the range of Neff/Bosch/Siemens all very similar and it’s looks function separating them

I don't believe Miele offer 25 years. There are sometimes some of their appliances on offer at 10 years but as standard it's only 2 years!!

[Welshbeef]

Raj28 said:

I don't believe Miele offer 25 years. There are sometimes some of their appliances on offer at 10 years but as standard it's only 2 years!!

Washing machines come with 25yrs (or did)

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Welshbeef said:

Raj28 said:

I don't believe Miele offer 25 years. There are sometimes some of their appliances on offer at 10 years but as standard it's only 2 years!!

Washing machines come with 25yrs (or did)

All Miele domestic appliances come with a free 2 year guarantee as standard which covers parts and labour, we've extended the standard warranty by a further 3 years and offer a 5 year promotional warranty.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

If you register your Miele appliance before the 31st January 2019, we'll enter you into our prize draw to win a (calendar)

From Miele website...nothing like keeping up to date!

[So]

Arranguez said:

Sheepshanks said:

Another thing about Miele is they don't seem to do fully integrated appliances.

I’ve a fully integrated fridge. They do integrated freezers and dishwashers too. I assumed you meant with a door on the front like the rest of your kitchen.

If it hasn't got a door on the front it isn't fully integrated.

[Welshbeef]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

Welshbeef said:

Raj28 said:

I don't believe Miele offer 25 years. There are sometimes some of their appliances on offer at 10 years but as standard it's only 2 years!!

Washing machines come with 25yrs (or did)

All Miele domestic appliances come with a free 2 year guarantee as standard which covers parts and labour, we've extended the standard warranty by a further 3 years and offer a 5 year promotional warranty.

Wow times have changed - in-laws had a Miele decades ago purchased and had that 25 year warranty. Might as well buy a Korean brand instead get 5 years hassle free

[ecotec]

WyrleyD said:

Anyone know who makes John Lewis "white" goods as seem to have long warranties? To look at them they look like Bosch/Siemens.

We have what was a very expensive Siemens washing machine that has a u/s main logic board which will cost a fortune to replace (circa £350), shame as the machine itself is still in superb condition so it looks like a tip job for that.

Edited by WyrleyD on Sunday 5th May 15:43

They are made by Electrolux (Zanussi/AEG group) - nothing special IMHO

[LeadFarmer]

Ive scrapped the idea that the big branded appliances are better quality. They certainly used to be, but I don't think they are anymore. People who say 'my Bosch washing machine is 15yrs old', simply means that 15yrs ago Bosch made a good washing machine, but it doesn't mean they do nowadays.


All my appliances used to be Bosch, but recently they have all started to fail at about 7yrs old. It can be uneconomical to get them repaired, even a £50 part will mean a £100 bill with labour, and it may fail again. With new appliances costing under £200 it make sense to replace. But that means we continue to be a throw away society.

Ive gradually replaced them with the cheapest I can find, with brands like Beko etc. My Beko washing machine was £200, if it only lasts two years then its about as economical as its £600 Bosch predecessor.

Edited by LeadFarmer on Sunday 5th May 21:41

[Chicken Chaser]

If I haven't come across something with white goods, then I'll pull up YouTube or a forum post and figure out how to fix it. If the part makes it beyond economical repair then I'll prob shift it on and buy a new one.

[ladderino]

LeadFarmer said:

Ive scrapped the idea that the big branded appliances are better quality. They certainly used to be, but I don't think they are anymore. People who say 'my Bosch washing machine is 15yrs old', simply means that 15yrs ago Bosch made a good washing machine, but it doesn't mean they do nowadays.


All my appliances used to be Bosch, but recently they have all started to fail at about 7yrs old. It can be uneconomical to get them repaired, even a £50 part will mean a £100 bill with labour, and it may fail again. With new appliances costing under £200 it make sense to replace. But that means we continue to be a throw away society.

Ive gradually replaced them with the cheapest I can find, with brands like Beko etc. My Beko washing machine was £200, if it only lasts two years then its about as economical as its £600 Bosch predecessor.

Edited by LeadFarmer on Sunday 5th May 21:41

I agree. Our Neff dishwasher failed after 5 years, and so in buying a replacement I wanted to avoid BSH group as 5 years seems to be about the going rate for them.

However, having looked at the £200 alternatives from Beko and Kenwood, the drawers and racks were really flimsy. Based on the way stuff gets treated, think we would have been lucky to see it lasting 2 years.

In the end, begrudgingly did as I was told and bought a Bosch.

[Alucidnation]

Welshbeef said:

Raj28 said:

I don't believe Miele offer 25 years. There are sometimes some of their appliances on offer at 10 years but as standard it's only 2 years!!

Washing machines come with 25yrs (or did)

I think it may have been they would guarantee you could get spares for 25 years.

[MJNewton]

WyrleyD said:

Anyone know who makes John Lewis "white" goods as seem to have long warranties? To look at them they look like Bosch/Siemens

Various manufacturers; I suspect JL put tenders out for bids to design/supply and so they are subject to change by type and time. Bear in mind though that it's not who makes them, it's how well they're made. Brands are just that - names - and don't necessarily correlate to a particular level of quality (Bosch are a great example with their Logixx and Exxcel lines made in different factories to different specifications and designs yet both sharing the same brand name.

We have a washing machine and dishwasher from JL; both over 10 years old and the only issue we've ever had is the heater relay burning out in the dishwasher a few months ago. Cost me 79p to fix... ;-)

They're lasting us well and are both great performers. I don't recall them costing much; I think it was probably the warranty that initially attracted us and I seem to recall a recommendation from a washing machine repair man for them.

Edited by MJNewton on Sunday 5th May 23:17

[Alucidnation]

Bosch and Neff etc products are made in various countries, as they are made under licence.

[mikeiow]

LeadFarmer said:

Ive scrapped the idea that the big branded appliances are better quality. They certainly used to be, but I don't think they are anymore. People who say 'my Bosch washing machine is 15yrs old', simply means that 15yrs ago Bosch made a good washing machine, but it doesn't mean they do nowadays.


All my appliances used to be Bosch, but recently they have all started to fail at about 7yrs old. It can be uneconomical to get them repaired, even a £50 part will mean a £100 bill with labour, and it may fail again. With new appliances costing under £200 it make sense to replace. But that means we continue to be a throw away society.

Ive gradually replaced them with the cheapest I can find, with brands like Beko etc. My Beko washing machine was £200, if it only lasts two years then its about as economical as its £600 Bosch predecessor.

Almost exactly our approach....our Beko (touch wood!) has performed great for about 8 years now.....the previous Bosch failed us.
Got a Stoves induction range cooker that has worked great for about 11 years.....a Quooker likewise (with one descale in the middle). Love the drawer-stle Fisher-Paykel unit we have, another good 11 years so far...
Big LG fridge-freezer with ice/water dispenser worked well for a similar time.
I reckon it is all down to luck these days!

[Uggers]

Some appliance seem to last others a nightmare.

Our cheap as anything Beko dishwasher, washing machine, tumble dryer, microwave and fridge freezer have been faultless since we bought them all together 8 years ago.

I'm definitly of the mindset that the less buttons/programs/sensors there are, the less there is to go wrong. So the higher end stuff is always going to give more headaches. Our Smeg oven and cooker have been utter st.

[guindilias]

Sheepshanks said:

Another thing about Miele is they don't seem to do fully integrated appliances.

A lot of stuff they do - but limited range. I think they have realised that people like to show them off, and the sort of person who buys Miele stuff brand new is more likely to buy ALL Miele appliances "So they match".

I'd go with a refurbed older Miele - my washer and dryer (standalone) are both over 25 years old, and not so much as a drive belt or set of brushes needed during that time. Touch wood.

[grumbledoak]

LeadFarmer said:

Ive gradually replaced them with the cheapest I can find, with brands like Beko etc. My Beko washing machine was £200, if it only lasts two years then its about as economical as its £600 Bosch predecessor.

True at the high end - in my experience it is never worth buying the top-of-the-range model from anyone, but my Bosch washing machine was £350
https://www.johnlewis.com/bosch-wan28201gb-freesta...
so if I do get my five years trouble free I am ahead on cost, and I'll have fewer days at home with the repairmen making that sucking through his teeth noise.

[Pit Pony]

Our washing machine was cheap, I'm not even sure of the brand, but it replaced an expensive one that was no end of trouble. This has no digital readout, no bleepers, nothing.
Had it years. If it breaks I'll put it in the car and take it to a back street repaiers on my way to work.

[Squiddly Diddly]

My Saisho microwave is from 1988 and is still going strong.

My Bosch dishwasher, washing machine and tumble drier are all from 2003 and likewise are still going strong. They are only used once per week though.