Drill / Driver for Home Use

[PAT64]

dickymint said:

Not so - my Makita impact has four settings including one for Tek Screws .....




If I can get to it it will screw it

Very nice especially with tek screws, which makita model is that ?

[PAT64]

InitialDave said:

I wouldn't say it's used lightly, but I guess a difference is I'm more using it for car related stuff, so rarely use the hammer function for masonry etc.

Yeah lightly used just a bad wording its still good for day to day work, maybe not for trade guys doing decking or drilling into concrete brick work.

I did try the hammer mode and a good quality masonry drill (I thought!) bit but it barely scratched a concrete fence post sadly, am told it was normal though and an sds drill will fair better.

There are some bosch drill bits here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-2607010546-Multi-Co...

Which may allow our bosch to do the job though, not that you may need it but good to know.

[dickymint]

PAT64 said:

dickymint said:

Not so - my Makita impact has four settings including one for Tek Screws .....




If I can get to it it will screw it

Very nice especially with tek screws, which makita model is that ?

DTD154Z ...................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCt-f-HhWXs

Couldn't believe how small it was and pushes out 175Nm torque.

[dmsims]

Slightly harder test

https://youtu.be/pvqar-4ZelA

[PAT64]

Cheers for that model name, watched that youtube video with the impact break down and dewalt looked awesome he even said bosch failed and was last place, not surprising.

My bosch combi only kicks 63 max torque so maybe that is why I am struggling with some stuff !

[JimbobVFR]

PAT64 said:

Cheers for that model name, watched that youtube video with the impact break down and dewalt looked awesome he even said bosch failed and was last place, not surprising.

My bosch combi only kicks 63 max torque so maybe that is why I am struggling with some stuff !

I've got the DeWalt and it is an impressive bit of kit, although I've also tried the Makita and I'd struggle to say one was better than the other TBH.

While I'd always consider other options I can't imagine moving away from either Makita or DeWalt, I just prefer yellow to blue

[andrewparker]

A few years ago I replaced my ageing Makita kit with a Bosch Professional combi drill/impact driver twin pack with 3 batteries, similar to this. It's taken a lot of abuse over the past few years, but I've been massively impressed with it. I think with Bosch stuff you just have to avoid the cheaper green coloured tools.

[PD_400]

Does anyone have any experience of JCB impact drivers? I have a JCB combi drill which is good for what I need and am tempted by this -

https://www.diy.com/departments/jcb-18-v-series-5a...

I have a Ryobi drill driver, jigsaw and sander but only 2 x 1.5ah batteries so by the time I get the impact driver and get a new battery I'm tempted to start again and get a new Makita or DeWalt set -

https://www.mytoolshed.co.uk/dewalt-dck699m3t-18v-...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B071Z6J9...

Leaning towards the DeWalt at the moment but a planer would be handy and I already have a corded SDS drill which I hardly use.

[BaldOldMan]

There are better DeWalt kits for you then - get one without an SDS drill and with a planer - like this one (but there are others)

https://www.mytoolshed.co.uk/dewalt-dck665p3t-18v-...

[PD_400]

No impact driver with that one, which is what I started off looking for.

Other option is to buy one of those kits and just buy the planer or impact driver separately. Just makes the DeWalt start costing a lot more than the Makita kit

[Shominy]

PD_400 said:

No impact driver with that one, which is what I started off looking for.

Other option is to buy one of those kits and just buy the planer or impact driver separately. Just makes the DeWalt start costing a lot more than the Makita kit

Unless you're happy to spend a good few hundred quid on a new set of tools from one brand I think you'd be best off just buying an impact driver with a battery from Ryobi since you already have some of their stuff or just get a Dewalt/Makita impact driver with a view to getting more of their stuff as and when needed. I find 1.5ah batteries more than enough and if you already have two from Ryobi you'd probably get away with just getting a bare tool from them and if you find swapping battery too bothersome just get another off eBay.

I'd say that unless you really need it to be cordless then stuff like saws and planers are just as well being bought corded and are usually a fair bit cheaper.

[Dan_1981]

Here comes an idiot question....


Which is more important battery or Volts?

I'm guessing the battery dictates how long it lasts and the V how much power can be transferred to torque or impacts or whatever?


Is 18v really needed or is the 10.8 enough?

[Sway]

Yep, volts is power, ah is battery stamina.

I've now got three different sized batteries for different tools/jobs, but haven't been at all upset going for the higher power tools.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Definitely go for 18v.

Unless you're building Airfix models with it the 18v ones are very controllable - you can use them lightly but you can't use a lesser powered one heavily.

[Dan_1981]

This impact driver is on offer, can't find it for this price anywhere else and not been this low on Amazon before.

What's the Ryobi stuff like, might commit me to one system

Ryobi R18IDP-120S 18V ONE+ Cordless Impact Driver Starter Kit (1 x 2.0Ah) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FM4MPK4/ref=cm_sw_r...

Prime price is £78

[Dan_1981]

Still haven't bought one

The Ryobi one above is still on offer - could match that to a drill.

Or this pack from Dewalt.

https://www.powertoolsuk.co.uk/dewalt-dck2059d2t-p...

Which would you go for?

[toasty]

I’d go for the De Walt of the two. I’ve not had the best experience with Ryobi but that was with a garden tool so probably not relevant.

[Flibble]

Sway said:

Yep, volts is power, ah is battery stamina.

I've now got three different sized batteries for different tools/jobs, but haven't been at all upset going for the higher power tools.

Agreed on volts, but Ah is also power as well as stamina. There's a maximum current each cell can deliver, higher Ah batteries have more cells so can delivery a greater current. This directly translates to higher torque when the tool is under load.

There's a video on youtube where a chap tries to drive a screw with a 2Ah battery an can't, but a 5Ah puts it in no problem.

[mr_fibuli]

This is the one I've got - 18v Bosch Blue with 2x 2Ah batteries for £115 at the moment on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Professional-GSB-18...

It's really compact, the batteries last for ages, and is plenty powerful enough for masonry and driving big coach screws into wood.

[ecotec]

Just some thoughts based on my (fairly serious) DIY use,

The pro tools - Dewalt, Makita, Hitachi, Bosch (blue) etc all make good tools. They will usually offer a good warranty and retain more value if you do upgrade and sell later over DIY brand tools (like Erbauer etc). The pro tools are also less likely to change their batter format - Erbauer has done just this - the newly released tools are not compatable with the old Erbauer (worx rebanded) tools.

Look also at what bare tools the brands offer and what might you want in the future - for example Makita has an extensive cordless 18v garden range that's well priced (eg: hedgetrimmer @£95)

It's useful to go to a tool shop and see and handle the tools to check they are comfortable and intuitive to use.

Screwfix+toolstation drill "deals" are usually the very low end but they do sell the better options. However it's usually cheaper to buy from powertoolworld, ffx etc. Also check as it can be better value to buy a bare tool, batteries and a charger.

Personal opinion is that the 12v tools will do most of what a home DYer want but it's better to get the 18v due to the range of bare tools on offer and the little bit of extra weight is not an issue for weekend use.

I would go for brush-less and get two batteries. There's no need for the 5ah+ as for DIY the weight is more of a hindrance as all day battery life is not required. Better I feel to get x2 3ah (or similar) batteries than x1 5ah battery. Also a second battery is super helpful for additional bare tools or as a spare when one is charging.

Edited by ecotec on Friday 16th August 15:39