Central heating - oil to LPG
Discussion
Would echo the other comments that over £2000 a year on oil for heating/water for a two bed house seems very high. I just looked back through our oil purchases for our 3 bed:
November 2019 : 926 litres (£454)
January 2019: 1000 litres (£466)
October 2018: 1000 litres (£524)
January 2018: 858 litres (£398)
Our boiler is pretty old AFAIK, so I don't think it's very efficient
November 2019 : 926 litres (£454)
January 2019: 1000 litres (£466)
October 2018: 1000 litres (£524)
January 2018: 858 litres (£398)
Our boiler is pretty old AFAIK, so I don't think it's very efficient
TED Jordan said:
I seem to have missed a crucial point being that underground LPG tanks seem alot cheaper for install.
Its the space the oil tank takes up and the fact I literally have no-where else for it.
Im currently spending around £2100 on a 2 bed house a year and Im ok with that to be honest but I've a worchester boiler thats literally rotten and alone thats £3000 for a replacement...
Is LPG really that expensive? how did people find the size of the boiler in comparison and how it keeps up with central heating/shower demands?
We had a Worcester lpg boiler installed 2 years ago and that cost around £1500 if I remember correctly Its the space the oil tank takes up and the fact I literally have no-where else for it.
Im currently spending around £2100 on a 2 bed house a year and Im ok with that to be honest but I've a worchester boiler thats literally rotten and alone thats £3000 for a replacement...
Is LPG really that expensive? how did people find the size of the boiler in comparison and how it keeps up with central heating/shower demands?
I'm fine with my heating bill currently, I've maybe exaggerated the cost a little looking back, this past year I've paid £1800 for oil and working out for the boilers used for electric but we do run the house WARM mind and it takes a good bit because its a 110yr old school masters house thats can be draughty as hell in very high winds even with full loft insulation and all new windows.
Main reason to change is literally the oil tank above ground.
Calors quote has came in at £1800 for the tank, and all external civils but I have to stick with them at a fixed price for 2 years at £0.41/ltr
that seems very reasonable??
My own boiler man whose Calor re-sale accredited is getting back to me with a quote for the boiler.
the third quote thats put the nail in the coffin for an underground oil tank alone (bearing in mind I still need a new oil combi boiler regardless if i stick with oil) is £6,400 + vat installed...
Main reason to change is literally the oil tank above ground.
Calors quote has came in at £1800 for the tank, and all external civils but I have to stick with them at a fixed price for 2 years at £0.41/ltr
that seems very reasonable??
My own boiler man whose Calor re-sale accredited is getting back to me with a quote for the boiler.
the third quote thats put the nail in the coffin for an underground oil tank alone (bearing in mind I still need a new oil combi boiler regardless if i stick with oil) is £6,400 + vat installed...
TED Jordan said:
I'm fine with my heating bill currently, I've maybe exaggerated the cost a little looking back, this past year I've paid £1800 for oil and working out for the boilers used for electric but we do run the house WARM mind and it takes a good bit because its a 110yr old school masters house thats can be draughty as hell in very high winds even with full loft insulation and all new windows.
Main reason to change is literally the oil tank above ground.
Calors quote has came in at £1800 for the tank, and all external civils but I have to stick with them at a fixed price for 2 years at £0.41/ltr
that seems very reasonable??
My own boiler man whose Calor re-sale accredited is getting back to me with a quote for the boiler.
the third quote thats put the nail in the coffin for an underground oil tank alone (bearing in mind I still need a new oil combi boiler regardless if i stick with oil) is £6,400 + vat installed...
LPG will cost you vastly more than oil - please please don't do it. Main reason to change is literally the oil tank above ground.
Calors quote has came in at £1800 for the tank, and all external civils but I have to stick with them at a fixed price for 2 years at £0.41/ltr
that seems very reasonable??
My own boiler man whose Calor re-sale accredited is getting back to me with a quote for the boiler.
the third quote thats put the nail in the coffin for an underground oil tank alone (bearing in mind I still need a new oil combi boiler regardless if i stick with oil) is £6,400 + vat installed...
I currently pay 36.5p per litre BTW, with Flogas.
rlg43p said:
LPG will cost you vastly more than oil - please please don't do it.
I currently pay 36.5p per litre BTW, with Flogas.
Gas is about 0.7 less energy dense than oilI currently pay 36.5p per litre BTW, with Flogas.
i.e. a litre of oil has about 1.4 times the energy than a litre of gas
I believe there is financial support out there for changing to an electrical heat pump system if you would consider it?
Lower output temperatures mean they are less responsive to sudden demands, but if you run a constant temperature they can better manage. Some upgrading in radiators may be required, our ideally wet underfloor heating.
Ground source would be more efficient if you have the space/investment.
You'd have a cabinet sized external unit near the house.
Lower output temperatures mean they are less responsive to sudden demands, but if you run a constant temperature they can better manage. Some upgrading in radiators may be required, our ideally wet underfloor heating.
Ground source would be more efficient if you have the space/investment.
You'd have a cabinet sized external unit near the house.
jet_noise said:
Gas is about 0.7 less energy dense than oil
i.e. a litre of oil has about 1.4 times the energy than a litre of gas
And oil is about 50p per litre, 1.4 times as much as LPG = about the same. (Info take from boilerjuice website)i.e. a litre of oil has about 1.4 times the energy than a litre of gas
I would still have oil if i could as it would feel like less of a con. I have lived with LPG for 8 years and the contracts are a pain.
Done both in recent years. 3 houses with oil and 1 LPG.
Oil for me is the way to stay. I've done an all year deal with my supplier and pay by DD up front so there is always cash in the bank. I do the deal every Spring and guarantee the monthly. During Spring Summer they're sitting on a good amount of my cash. During Winter I get oil at Summer rates. I'm lucky that I have a construction company that gets our plant fuel from the same source which is probably 30k litres/year. I currently pay about 50p/litre for both IIRC.
The deals gas companies do involve the tank install although after a period which I'm not sure of you can switch and the new company sorts out the old for the tank install at a rate.
Basically, you never own the gas tank on your property as far as I know like you don't own the cables that bring your WIFI.
Condensing oil boilers are very efficient. Half chat ours is burning about 12l per day which is sick squid or 180/month. Halve that and you've got a good feel for cost given that we use timers. Bear in mind that I'm talking about Winter use. Last year we spent about a grand on juice and that includes for hot water and my good lady's need for 25 degrees!
Don't ask me about logs for the generally cosmetic log burners to bring us into the low 30's temperature wise. I'm pretty much in the nuddy even when minus outside!
Even without the benefits I have regarding buying power, oil will, in my opinion be better. Plus the boilers are easier to fettle!
Oil for me is the way to stay. I've done an all year deal with my supplier and pay by DD up front so there is always cash in the bank. I do the deal every Spring and guarantee the monthly. During Spring Summer they're sitting on a good amount of my cash. During Winter I get oil at Summer rates. I'm lucky that I have a construction company that gets our plant fuel from the same source which is probably 30k litres/year. I currently pay about 50p/litre for both IIRC.
The deals gas companies do involve the tank install although after a period which I'm not sure of you can switch and the new company sorts out the old for the tank install at a rate.
Basically, you never own the gas tank on your property as far as I know like you don't own the cables that bring your WIFI.
Condensing oil boilers are very efficient. Half chat ours is burning about 12l per day which is sick squid or 180/month. Halve that and you've got a good feel for cost given that we use timers. Bear in mind that I'm talking about Winter use. Last year we spent about a grand on juice and that includes for hot water and my good lady's need for 25 degrees!
Don't ask me about logs for the generally cosmetic log burners to bring us into the low 30's temperature wise. I'm pretty much in the nuddy even when minus outside!
Even without the benefits I have regarding buying power, oil will, in my opinion be better. Plus the boilers are easier to fettle!
ARHarh said:
jet_noise said:
Gas is about 0.7 less energy dense than oil
i.e. a litre of oil has about 1.4 times the energy than a litre of gas
And oil is about 50p per litre, 1.4 times as much as LPG = about the same. (Info take from boilerjuice website)i.e. a litre of oil has about 1.4 times the energy than a litre of gas
I would still have oil if i could as it would feel like less of a con. I have lived with LPG for 8 years and the contracts are a pain.
We've looked into this as well. Conclusion we came to was it was madness to swap from oil to LPG when considering lifecycle cost.
Eventually we're going to swap over to air source heat pumps - no oil or gas necessary. But, as a poster above alluded to, you need to make sure all of your rads are sized and performing correctly for your property to achieve a more stable heat level in the house. Insulation needs to be spot on too.
We're currently renovating the house and replacing rads/insulation as we go to spread the cost.
The Government offers the Renewal Heat Incentive (RHI) - which is basically a slug of cash thrown at you on the drip to offset your outlay for shifting to a non-fossil fuel energy source. The amount they offer depends on a bespoke calculation for your property, I think ours is looking like being £6.5k from memory.
Eventually we're going to swap over to air source heat pumps - no oil or gas necessary. But, as a poster above alluded to, you need to make sure all of your rads are sized and performing correctly for your property to achieve a more stable heat level in the house. Insulation needs to be spot on too.
We're currently renovating the house and replacing rads/insulation as we go to spread the cost.
The Government offers the Renewal Heat Incentive (RHI) - which is basically a slug of cash thrown at you on the drip to offset your outlay for shifting to a non-fossil fuel energy source. The amount they offer depends on a bespoke calculation for your property, I think ours is looking like being £6.5k from memory.
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