The Tories aren’t working

[Esceptico]

Another Tory government and yet more posturing over the civil service and how it needs to be reformed. That has been the mantra since at least 1979 when Thatcher got into power (so 41 years ago). In that 41 years the Tories have been in power except for the interlude of Tory Lite New Labour...yet they still haven’t cracked it. How many more decades do they need? Or are they part of the problem, rather than the solution?

[Gameface]

Yes, labour are far more decisive.

[colin_p]

Esceptico said:

Another Tory government and yet more posturing over the civil service and how it needs to be reformed. That has been the mantra since at least 1979 when Thatcher got into power (so 41 years ago). In that 41 years the Tories have been in power except for the interlude of Tory Lite New Labour...yet they still haven’t cracked it. How many more decades do they need? Or are they part of the problem, rather than the solution?

[CRA1G]

Esceptico said:

Another Tory government and yet more posturing over the civil service and how it needs to be reformed. That has been the mantra since at least 1979 when Thatcher got into power (so 41 years ago). In that 41 years the Tories have been in power except for the interlude of Tory Lite New Labour...yet they still haven’t cracked it. How many more decades do they need? Or are they part of the problem, rather than the solution?

I think we need to let the public vote..... Oh wait a minute.......

[bad company]

CRA1G said:

I think we need to let the public vote..... Oh wait a minute.......

Bit like the Scot Nationals and Remoaners. They lost so lets have a replay.

[Smiler.]

Another great thread from Septico.

From his obvious level of displeasure at the present political climate in the UK, one wonders why he doesn't move somewhere else.

Oh wait. Not even a move halfway around the globe can salve the angst.

Oh dear.

[Earthdweller]

Esceptico said:

Another Tory government and yet more posturing over the civil service and how it needs to be reformed. That has been the mantra since at least 1979 when Thatcher got into power (so 41 years ago). In that 41 years the Tories have been in power except for the interlude of Tory Lite New Labour...yet they still haven’t cracked it. How many more decades do they need? Or are they part of the problem, rather than the solution?

Do you think it’s Broken ?

What is the problem ?

What is the solution ?

[stew-STR160]

colin_p said:

Esceptico said:

Another Tory government and yet more posturing over the civil service and how it needs to be reformed. That has been the mantra since at least 1979 when Thatcher got into power (so 41 years ago). In that 41 years the Tories have been in power except for the interlude of Tory Lite New Labour...yet they still haven’t cracked it. How many more decades do they need? Or are they part of the problem, rather than the solution?

And a few more

[rufusgti]

Esceptico said:

Another Tory government and yet more posturing over the civil service and how it needs to be reformed. That has been the mantra since at least 1979 when Thatcher got into power (so 41 years ago). In that 41 years the Tories have been in power except for the interlude of Tory Lite New Labour...yet they still haven’t cracked it. How many more decades do they need? Or are they part of the problem, rather than the solution?

Please explain the issues you personally face with the civil service.

[bonerp]

the tories are lying bds out for themselves and their toffy mates.
Until they have a serious challenger, we are stuck with this st.
This country is being ruined.
No challengers to big tax avoiders aka Amazon which is giving their likes an unfair advantage over the failing high street (IR35 isn't a big nest egg SaJid).
No climate policy.
No serious support to an NHS on its knees.
Welfare has been broken for years. Poverty is getting worse. More homeless. More business going away from the UK.
Yet the people still vote for the tories.....or they are swinging the figures. Go figure.

Edited by bonerp on Wednesday 22 January 07:45

[Gameface]

bonerp said:

the tories are lying bds out for themselves and their toffy mates.
Until they have a serious challenger, we are stuck with this st.

Time to delete this thread from My Stuff.

This level of discourse and debate is far too nuanced for me.

[vaud]

bonerp said:

the tories are lying bds out for themselves and their toffy mates.
Until they have a serious challenger, we are stuck with this st.

I thought they had a serious challenger in the last two elections offering a radical agenda for change?

[bonerp]

Gameface said:

Time to delete this thread from My Stuff.

This level of discourse and debate is far too nuanced for me.

Sorry Mr Johnson.

[bonerp]

vaud said:

I thought they had a serious challenger in the last two elections offering a radical agenda for change?

If you are referring to Labour....let me stop laughing a moment...

[anonymous-user]

Gameface said:

Time to delete this thread from My Stuff.

This level of discourse and debate is far too nuanced for me.

Its a fair point though. The Labour party were unelectable, but that doesn't prove that the Tories are any good, just less st

[bonerp]

hucumber said:

Its a fair point though. The Labour party were un-electable, but that doesn't prove that the Tories are any good, just less st

even their red swathes of voters who never voted for anyone else couldn't bring themselves to do it again....that shows how BAD the Labour party is and Lib Dems has all but disappeared!

The tories should take advantage of that and win voters over for good by doing stuff that hasn't been done in years - deliver on their shallow promises listening to voters need, but what have we seen in recent weeks...nothing.

Edited by bonerp on Wednesday 22 January 07:54

[anonymous-user]

bonerp said:

even their red swathes of voters who never voted for anyone else couldn't bring themselves to do it again....that shows how BAD the Labour party is and Lib Dems has all but disappeared!

This is true. But it doesn't mean the tories are doing their job properly. The country is in a right state, 9 years of Tory reign has seen the UK fall apart at the seams.

[98elise]

Esceptico said:

Another Tory government and yet more posturing over the civil service and how it needs to be reformed. That has been the mantra since at least 1979 when Thatcher got into power (so 41 years ago). In that 41 years the Tories have been in power except for the interlude of Tory Lite New Labour...yet they still haven’t cracked it. How many more decades do they need? Or are they part of the problem, rather than the solution?

Labour lost....badly. Get over it.

[powerstroke]

bonerp said:

hucumber said:

Its a fair point though. The Labour party were un-electable, but that doesn't prove that the Tories are any good, just less st

even their red swathes of voters who never voted for anyone else couldn't bring themselves to do it again....that shows how BAD the Labour party is and Lib Dems has all but disappeared!

The tories should take advantage of that and win voters over for good by doing stuff that hasn't been done in years - deliver on their shallow promises listening to voters need, but what have we seen in recent weeks...nothing.

Edited by bonerp on Wednesday 22 January 07:54

Give them a chance , they have only had a decent leader for about 6 months and a reasonable majority for a matter of weeks ..

[bonerp]

hucumber said:

This is true. But it doesn't mean the tories are doing their job properly. The country is in a right state, 9 years of Tory reign has seen the UK fall apart at the seams.

Agree 100% I'm right with you on this. Austerity - a result of over public spending IMHO needed reining in but it feels like there has been no investment whatsoever so pretty much any service is simply crumbling at the seams. Get business working, attract business, stand up an effective workforce and those seeds bring cash to improve.
Don't let benefits be more attractive than working - which sadly they are. People who need it can't get it. The big firms continue to dodge their tax commitments. Plug this.