Problems with a Roofer.....
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wolfracesonic said:
Your first guy was right about no soakers if the pic with the lead turned up is representative; no idea why the second guy didn’t pick up on it, it’s an easy thing to check, maybe wanted to show off his pointing skills.
This. The absence of soakers is the root of all. And he needs a kick in the studs for pointing with a catapult.
Had the bloke from the roofing company pop out this morning and it was immediately obvious that this fella wasn't going to be up on the roof himself, big but very pleasant gent.
Turns out all the questions I had originally asked he had asked whoever was on the roof.
Face dropped when he saw these pictures from the previous roofer.
Tiles coming off tomorrow and he said will take it from there. Said maybe get his roofer to take some pictures with no tiles to see exactly what is and is not there.
No more money to pay.
Also agreed pointing was crap and will acid it off the faces.
Will update and thanks for al replies sometimes its nice just to have an opinion confirmed.
Turns out all the questions I had originally asked he had asked whoever was on the roof.
Face dropped when he saw these pictures from the previous roofer.
Tiles coming off tomorrow and he said will take it from there. Said maybe get his roofer to take some pictures with no tiles to see exactly what is and is not there.
No more money to pay.
Also agreed pointing was crap and will acid it off the faces.
Will update and thanks for al replies sometimes its nice just to have an opinion confirmed.
No Soakers
Soakers
That was a faff.
Turns out the roofer that quoted the work was not the roofer that was given the work, so said roofer just did what the quote says.
Turns up today and claimed the soakers are fine. Called the boss and roofer agreed t strip all slates back.
No soakers.
Blows my mind that someone can be in a trade lack any initiative at all to sort a problem!
Brick acid being used to get the mortar off the faces as it raid during pointing apparently.....
Edited by bungz on Friday 21st February 10:54
So
Still leaks and pointing still looks horrific.
There is random bit of old roof and mortar now strewn across the back of my roof for good measure.
Had enough.
Called the chappy and told him it is a disaster awaiting a call back but tbh i don't really want them touching the roof any more as they are obviously incompetent.
I feel now it would cost me more money to correct this than before I started, where should I go from here?
Still leaks and pointing still looks horrific.
There is random bit of old roof and mortar now strewn across the back of my roof for good measure.
Had enough.
Called the chappy and told him it is a disaster awaiting a call back but tbh i don't really want them touching the roof any more as they are obviously incompetent.
I feel now it would cost me more money to correct this than before I started, where should I go from here?
That chimney will never be rain resistant as it has no tray running through the brick structure.
This is usually okay where you have an unused roof space/loft as the damp never reaches the ceiling and occupied spaces below that level but it will be an issue if the loft is converted to habitable, dry, space.
Regardless you are never going to even improve it by pointing only one side of the stack and leaving the neighbouring side with open joints.
This is usually okay where you have an unused roof space/loft as the damp never reaches the ceiling and occupied spaces below that level but it will be an issue if the loft is converted to habitable, dry, space.
Regardless you are never going to even improve it by pointing only one side of the stack and leaving the neighbouring side with open joints.
Not much I can do about the neighbours they are unlikely to have the work done, maybe a HA owned property not sure.
I don't mind a slightly "damp" chimney as the loft is only boarded for storage but I have a stream of water along the joining face, even with my limited understanding of tiles and lead work it doesn't seem a huge task to me to resolve that.
Last attempt is boss is putting up scaffolding and doing it himself, all coming off and being done from fresh. I will be there. Will get up myself if possible.
Apparently the roofer has walked that did the work
I don't mind a slightly "damp" chimney as the loft is only boarded for storage but I have a stream of water along the joining face, even with my limited understanding of tiles and lead work it doesn't seem a huge task to me to resolve that.
Last attempt is boss is putting up scaffolding and doing it himself, all coming off and being done from fresh. I will be there. Will get up myself if possible.
Apparently the roofer has walked that did the work
bungz said:
Last attempt is boss is putting up scaffolding and doing it himself, all coming off and being done from fresh. I will be there. Will get up myself if possible.
Apparently the roofer has walked that did the work
Worth a go bearing in mind you've already spent with this bunch, and they seem to be trying to sort it. (Paying for scaffold via a different company would be £££)Apparently the roofer has walked that did the work
The original "roofer" walking out says a lot.
tbh, I'd be tempted to just pay for the other side of the stack to be pointed too, shouldn't be much. I know it's not "yours", but damp doesn't respect party wall agreements.
It’s hard to believe the original roofer didn’t fit soakers, especially given the fact the flashing isn’t even folded, where did he think the water was going to go? Its equally hard to believe the latest roofer thought there was nothing wrong with it. I don’t know any good young roofers, God knows what will happen in the future as all the decent roofers I know are retiring.
What’s the damp look like OP? Does it originate from a single point and propagate from there, or is like curtain of damp all the way across? The former usually indicates a cracked slate or missing/damaged lead work, the latter, as Lotobear said is the brickwork getting saturated and water just seeping down, the opposite of rising damp if you will. I’m surprised the fitting of soakers hasn’t improved things though.
wolfracesonic said:
What’s the damp look like OP? Does it originate from a single point and propagate from there, or is like curtain of damp all the way across? The former usually indicates a cracked slate or missing/damaged lead work, the latter, as Lotobear said is the brickwork getting saturated and water just seeping down, the opposite of rising damp if you will. I’m surprised the fitting of soakers hasn’t improved things though.
It comes through in isolated places, I don't think the leak is to do with water through the bricks its just not water tight at the junction of the bricks to tiles.Will be watching like a hawk tomorrow so will update.
I can't help thinking this is somewhere near Leeds. It's been re-roofed at one point, that's when the lead went missing.
Shared stacks and gutters are always a nightmare, there is always one owner wanting it done and next door neighbour not, but it seems you didn't even ask them. If I was on the job at this time I would be up there with a hosepipe soaking it from the bottom, then slowly to the top and other areas until it leaked below. Your average roofer wouldn't be bright enough to do that....
Shared stacks and gutters are always a nightmare, there is always one owner wanting it done and next door neighbour not, but it seems you didn't even ask them. If I was on the job at this time I would be up there with a hosepipe soaking it from the bottom, then slowly to the top and other areas until it leaked below. Your average roofer wouldn't be bright enough to do that....
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