Neighbourly Issues
Discussion
romeogolf said:
roadsmash said:
Send him a link to this thread OP.
Just so he knows loads of people think he’s a raving
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Just so he knows loads of people think he’s a raving
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I'm mostly just relieved that most people seem to have agreed with us on this. Always the risk of it going the other way if you're not too sure!
romeogolf said:
Our first encounter with him, the day after we moved in, was him popping his head over the fence while we were in the garden and proceeding to tell us about all the disagreements he's had with various other neighbours
At this point I would have written the bloke off as a complete helmet.The old saying "If you can smell s
t wherever you go, perhaps you should check your shoes" certainly applies to him, it would seem.It's a shame people find enough energy to act this way. How exhausting being so dramatic about everything in your life.
OP, definitely paint the outside of the fence a funky colour(s).
bennno said:
Im not sure why anybody would think the guy is a w€€€€er for not wanting to risk his drive, have it and his car covered in crap, be inconvenienced etc.
For me, it's this bit:"He verbally agreed to it and was easy going until this weekend. I texted him at the weekend to give him the heads-up that work was starting today (Monday)"
OP discussed it with him, he agreed, OP made plans based on that, then he decided to say something else at the absolute last minute.
That's not how you conduct yourself. He's a knob.
Personally I would take him a bottle of wine and apologise for any issue. Tell him you have sorted another way to do the works and even though it costs a bit more it isn't an issue. It's more important you get on with your neighbours.
Then once I had the moral high ground I would f##k him over at the first opportunity. :-)
Then once I had the moral high ground I would f##k him over at the first opportunity. :-)
NorthDave said:
Personally I would take him a bottle of wine and apologise for any issue. Tell him you have sorted another way to do the works and even though it costs a bit more it isn't an issue. It's more important you get on with your neighbours.
Then once I had the moral high ground I would f##k him over at the first opportunity. :-)
That and then paint the fence a funky colour on your side only, making sure it runs through the gaps.Then once I had the moral high ground I would f##k him over at the first opportunity. :-)
The fact he's moved his car down is a dick move.
I think you've done all you could, informing in advance and if you knew he wouldn't have allowed access from the get go I'm sure you'd have got a quote to reflect that.
You've assumed he's OK with granting access as he didn't say no initially.
But given the access I wouldn't have truck on my drive anyways, I wouldn't be happy (but I wouldn't say no, I'd have asked for the drive the be covered with 11mm OSB board or the like during the works).
But you can ask for the delivery to drop next to where that mini is and handball / barrow from there. Appreciate his car doesn't help but could walk around it.
Workers won't need all of it there in one go, so having it out of the way and take it as they need shouldn't be too bad and (maybe) shouldn't really be charged extra on that basis.
As a side landscapers will have had these kind of issues on previous jobs and I'm sure they'll be carrying some kind of board which they use to protect drives / paths etc.
I think you've done all you could, informing in advance and if you knew he wouldn't have allowed access from the get go I'm sure you'd have got a quote to reflect that.
You've assumed he's OK with granting access as he didn't say no initially.
But given the access I wouldn't have truck on my drive anyways, I wouldn't be happy (but I wouldn't say no, I'd have asked for the drive the be covered with 11mm OSB board or the like during the works).
But you can ask for the delivery to drop next to where that mini is and handball / barrow from there. Appreciate his car doesn't help but could walk around it.
Workers won't need all of it there in one go, so having it out of the way and take it as they need shouldn't be too bad and (maybe) shouldn't really be charged extra on that basis.
As a side landscapers will have had these kind of issues on previous jobs and I'm sure they'll be carrying some kind of board which they use to protect drives / paths etc.
ahas said:
The fact he's moved his car down is a dick move.
I think you've done all you could, informing in advance and if you knew he wouldn't have allowed access from the get go I'm sure you'd have got a quote to reflect that.
You've assumed he's OK with granting access as he didn't say no initially.
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But given the access I wouldn't have truck on my drive anyways, I wouldn't be happy (but I wouldn't say no, I'd have asked for the drive the be covered with 11mm OSB board or the like during the works).
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As a side landscapers will have had these kind of issues on previous jobs and I'm sure they'll be carrying some kind of board which they use to protect drives / paths etc.
(1) Yup, I think our main gripe is the change of heart seemingly overnight.I think you've done all you could, informing in advance and if you knew he wouldn't have allowed access from the get go I'm sure you'd have got a quote to reflect that.
You've assumed he's OK with granting access as he didn't say no initially.
...
But given the access I wouldn't have truck on my drive anyways, I wouldn't be happy (but I wouldn't say no, I'd have asked for the drive the be covered with 11mm OSB board or the like during the works).
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As a side landscapers will have had these kind of issues on previous jobs and I'm sure they'll be carrying some kind of board which they use to protect drives / paths etc.
(2) Again, yup, the offered to board the drive, sweep all debris, be as quick as possible... But it was a hard no, no negotiation.
Anyway, it is what it is. My rage has subsided and we're getting on with it, but he won't be getting any favours in the future.
TwistingMyMelon said:
Also couldn't a lorries crane clear that fence from the road?
Bit of an ask , but surely it could almost do it?
My thoughts exactly! Find someone with a 6m hiab! Probably still a violation of the access rights but what's he going to do about it! Other slight problem would be stopping the lorry on a dropped kerb which would be a parking violation I assume...Bit of an ask , but surely it could almost do it?
romeogolf said:
Anyway, it is what it is. My rage has subsided and we're getting on with it, but he won't be getting any favours in the future.
That's the ticket, let the work continue, enjoy the results. Sleep easy tonight and dream that against all the odds, your builders unearth your unhelpful neighbours water main stop cock in YOUR garden.
romeogolf said:
ahas said:
The fact he's moved his car down is a dick move.
I think you've done all you could, informing in advance and if you knew he wouldn't have allowed access from the get go I'm sure you'd have got a quote to reflect that.
You've assumed he's OK with granting access as he didn't say no initially.
...
But given the access I wouldn't have truck on my drive anyways, I wouldn't be happy (but I wouldn't say no, I'd have asked for the drive the be covered with 11mm OSB board or the like during the works).
...
As a side landscapers will have had these kind of issues on previous jobs and I'm sure they'll be carrying some kind of board which they use to protect drives / paths etc.
(1) Yup, I think our main gripe is the change of heart seemingly overnight.I think you've done all you could, informing in advance and if you knew he wouldn't have allowed access from the get go I'm sure you'd have got a quote to reflect that.
You've assumed he's OK with granting access as he didn't say no initially.
...
But given the access I wouldn't have truck on my drive anyways, I wouldn't be happy (but I wouldn't say no, I'd have asked for the drive the be covered with 11mm OSB board or the like during the works).
...
As a side landscapers will have had these kind of issues on previous jobs and I'm sure they'll be carrying some kind of board which they use to protect drives / paths etc.
(2) Again, yup, the offered to board the drive, sweep all debris, be as quick as possible... But it was a hard no, no negotiation.
Anyway, it is what it is. My rage has subsided and we're getting on with it, but he won't be getting any favours in the future.
Fixed this by putting a massive sign on an 8x4 board facing their property saying no work / deliveries on site before 8am!
So each year I give them a Christmas card and box of chocolates just to remind them how much of pricks they were. I'm waiting for when they do building work so I can 'return the favour'.
dhutch said:
Yes, ask nicely, talk it through, if they agree then great. Once it is all over then they get a bottle of nice wine as a thank you gift. But not as a bribe ahead of the game.
For what it's worth, I would be very hesitant to allow what you are suggesting to be done if I was in is shoes.
-Fence might well not go back the same.
-Point loading from digger, and skidding rubber tracks can leave damage and marks to driveway.
-Point loading of BM hiab waggon dropping off paving causing damage, ditto grab waggon.
-Dropped loose material from grab waggon job making a mess of the gravel and drive.
-Pressurewasher removing patina and splashing sh ite everywhere makes the job worse not better.
-Faff of so far a minimum of four interactions.
I am picky about what things look like, damage from works, etc. All in all, a load of risk and ball ache for nothing.
Yes you could do it with almost zero damage, tarps, sand over paving edges to spread loads, but again, no gain for me.
Your garden is not huge, and you have managed to get a mini digger in, so not a big job to handball a bit of material in an out.
Tell your contractor there is no way your paying £250/day for labouring.
Daniel
Firstly, the fence is the OP’s, so the OP can rip it out completely if he desires. For what it's worth, I would be very hesitant to allow what you are suggesting to be done if I was in is shoes.
-Fence might well not go back the same.
-Point loading from digger, and skidding rubber tracks can leave damage and marks to driveway.
-Point loading of BM hiab waggon dropping off paving causing damage, ditto grab waggon.
-Dropped loose material from grab waggon job making a mess of the gravel and drive.
-Pressurewasher removing patina and splashing sh ite everywhere makes the job worse not better.
-Faff of so far a minimum of four interactions.
I am picky about what things look like, damage from works, etc. All in all, a load of risk and ball ache for nothing.
Yes you could do it with almost zero damage, tarps, sand over paving edges to spread loads, but again, no gain for me.
Your garden is not huge, and you have managed to get a mini digger in, so not a big job to handball a bit of material in an out.
Tell your contractor there is no way your paying £250/day for labouring.
Daniel
Secondly, no one is debating that it’s not a minor inconvenience to the neighbour, of course it is. However, we’ve all got to get through our lives and deal with minor inconveniences.
99% of decent neighbours would help the OP seeing as it is a one off and an excellent way to have a favour returned to them in the future.
The OP sounds like a communicative and thoughtful person who just wants to get his garden sorted quicker and easier by cutting through someone’s driveway but he’s instead met with some muppet who would rather see the OP use more of his money, time and effort going via the front.
Bear in mind this particular neighbour has seemingly fallen out with others, so it’s not hard to conclude that he’s a tool.
roadsmash said:
Firstly, the fence is the OP’s, so the OP can rip it out completely if he desires.
Secondly, no one is debating that it’s not a minor inconvenience to the neighbour, of course it is. However, we’ve all got to get through our lives and deal with minor inconveniences.
99% of decent neighbours would help the OP seeing as it is a one off and an excellent way to have a favour returned to them in the future.
The OP sounds like a communicative and thoughtful person who just wants to get his garden sorted quicker and easier by cutting through someone’s driveway but he’s instead met with some muppet who would rather see the OP use more of his money, time and effort going via the front.
Bear in mind this particular neighbour has seemingly fallen out with others, so it’s not hard to conclude that he’s a tool.
And the kicker being that the last minute nature of him rescinding his permission means the contractor has him over a barrel as far as the price goes.Secondly, no one is debating that it’s not a minor inconvenience to the neighbour, of course it is. However, we’ve all got to get through our lives and deal with minor inconveniences.
99% of decent neighbours would help the OP seeing as it is a one off and an excellent way to have a favour returned to them in the future.
The OP sounds like a communicative and thoughtful person who just wants to get his garden sorted quicker and easier by cutting through someone’s driveway but he’s instead met with some muppet who would rather see the OP use more of his money, time and effort going via the front.
Bear in mind this particular neighbour has seemingly fallen out with others, so it’s not hard to conclude that he’s a tool.
Ziplobb said:
Don’t know what you do for a living but surely taking time off of work and labouring yourself is cheaper than earning £800 to give someone else to do the same thing ?
I had a roofer do a big job for me, when the weather forecast suggested we were up against it he got a labourer for £50 a day to carry slates up a ladder!Ziplobb said:
Don’t know what you do for a living but surely taking time off of work and labouring yourself is cheaper than earning £800 to give someone else to do the same thing ?
Earn my £800 and pay for the labouring while I sit back with a beer.... That’s why I work hard so I can pay someone else to do it !Gassing Station | Homes, Gardens and DIY | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff