Entry level Miele vs Bosch/Siemens other appliances

[PHlL]

I've looked in previous threads, and often people have asked about Bosch vs Miele and overwhelmingly Miele is always recommended. But this tends to always be comparing a top end Bosch vs a top end Miele...

I'm putting in a new kitchen and putting in integrated appliances, upgrading from my current freestanding stuff. I'd budgeted £2,500 for a fridge/freezer, dishwasher and washing machine (which I thought was a decent amount compared to my current Samsung, Beko and Hotpoint setup, which have been faultless over 6 years).

This pretty much could only get me entry level Miele appliances if shopping around, or mid-upper end Bosch or Siemens appliances.

Comparing entry level to medium level, is Miele still the obvious one to go for?

N.B, I looked at trying to get graded Miele products, Miele offer this themselves but pricing wasn't competitive. If anyone has any seller recommendations, UK or Europe as could collect with a work van if much cheaper in their home country. Likewise, if there are discounts to be had buying a few appliances at once instead of ad hoc.

[Simpo Two]

PHlL said:

This pretty much could only get me entry level Miele appliances if shopping around, or mid-upper end Bosch or Siemens appliances.

Comparing entry level to medium level, is Miele still the obvious one to go for?

I'd rather have top end Siemens than entry-level Miele as I assume the former would have much greater functionality.

[defblade]

Simpo Two said:

I'd rather have top end Siemens than entry-level Miele as I assume the former would have much greater functionality.

And we buy bottom end Miele for almost the same reasons... we usually don't want or need "greater functionality" (most of our clothes go in on the "20 min express" programme, for example) but do like the quality and support that comes with it, even at the bottom of the range.

[irocfan]

As an aside (since they're owned by Bosch) I'd not touch a Neff dishwasher again. Very unsatisfactory performance

[Alucidnation]

Miele are generally still the 'go to' but they are now concentrating their business on commercial rather than domestic appliances.

[Nickbrapp]

I think a lot of it is still snobbishness, I have a hotpoint washer dryer and dishwasher and it’s been faultless. The dishwasher even dries plastics What other functions am I missing out on?

[Sheepshanks]

PHlL said:

I'm putting in a new kitchen and putting in integrated appliances, upgrading from my current freestanding stuff. I'd budgeted £2,500 for a fridge/freezer, dishwasher and washing machine (which I thought was a decent amount compared to my current Samsung, Beko and Hotpoint setup, which have been faultless over 6 years).

Miele have integrated washing machines in their brochure but (unless things have changed) we looked recently and they don't show any on their UK website.

I notice Costco showing some Miele appliances - I'm sure there was a washing machine for around £900 but in the store recently the one on show was £1800. It wouldn't be so bad if they really were guaranteed for 10 years like everyone seems to think, but it was just the normal 2yrs.

[Alucidnation]

Sheepshanks said:

PHlL said:

I'm putting in a new kitchen and putting in integrated appliances, upgrading from my current freestanding stuff. I'd budgeted £2,500 for a fridge/freezer, dishwasher and washing machine (which I thought was a decent amount compared to my current Samsung, Beko and Hotpoint setup, which have been faultless over 6 years).

It wouldn't be so bad if they really were guaranteed for 10 years like everyone seems to think, but it was just the normal 2yrs.

Some models are currently on offer with 5 or 10 years, although when we kitted out our last kitchen, we managed to blag 10 years on all of them.

[Bob-iylho]

Built in appliances are like rocking horse st at present Siemens/neff/bosch group are in real doodoo, reckon they won't get their order book in hand until april 21.

[Sheepshanks]

irocfan said:

As an aside (since they're owned by Bosch) I'd not touch a Neff dishwasher again. Very unsatisfactory performance

There's an oddity with Neff dishwashers where they seem to load the machines with features - like top cutlery tray and loads of programms - but then build the machine with a plastic tub.

We were disappointed with ours at first - bought it in a rush as the 20yr old Bosch it replaced suddenly went very noisy - but we found it's sensitive to tablets used. Anything other than the absolute most expensive ones and the wash is crap. It also shortens the wash if there's not much in it and then it doesn't even get tea stains off cups. It's fine if fully loaded.

[PHlL]

Simpo Two said:

I'd rather have top end Siemens than entry-level Miele as I assume the former would have much greater functionality.

I'm not too sure what else functionality I need in truth. Provided it does the basics well and hopefully reliably that's the key.

The entry level Miele's look pretty decent and not lacking anything essential.

Fridge/Freezer is a KFN 37232
Dishwasher is a G 5050 SCVi

Sheepshanks said:

Miele have integrated washing machines in their brochure but (unless things have changed) we looked recently and they don't show any on their UK website.

I have just seen this when looking into. Anyone got any feedback on AEG stuff for washing machine/washer dryer?

[tgr]

AEG is supposed to be iffy for dishwashers - basic design flaws. As you are going integrated you're not going to be able to see anything so I would go Bosch for the dishwasher (never had a problem and neither has my partner), it won't matter if you go Bosch for one and Miele for the other.

Miele integrated washing machines are unfortunately a) rare, b) extortionate - presumably because they make fewer of them. Mine is wonderful but it was blooming expensive ten years ago.

I would ring their head office in Abingdon and see what they say.

ETA rumour is that Miele fridge and freezers are rebadged Liebherr

[RobbieTheTruth]

defblade said:

And we buy bottom end Miele for almost the same reasons... we usually don't want or need "greater functionality" (most of our clothes go in on the "20 min express" programme, for example) but do like the quality and support that comes with it, even at the bottom of the range.

Same - I'd get entry level Miele washing machine and tumble dryer.

Mainly use 20 mins for everyday stuff.

[Pooh]

I own a kitchen company and sell a lot of appliances, I think Bosch/Neff are largely living off their past reputation, they have been reducing the spec and increasing the prices of their appliances for a while.
I am a big fan of Samsung, particularly for fridge freezers, ovens and hobs while Miele are great for washing machines and dryers.
Dishwashers used to be Bosh/Neff but I am not convinced that they still have an advantage over the competition.

[LocoBlade]

Pooh said:

I am a big fan of Samsung, particularly for fridge freezers, ovens and hobs

Do Samsung do an integrated combination oven/microwave? Their website (which is awful at giving information on products) suggests not which is rather strange, basically rules them out for us.

[Pooh]

LocoBlade said:

Pooh said:

I am a big fan of Samsung, particularly for fridge freezers, ovens and hobs

Do Samsung do an integrated combination oven/microwave? Their website (which is awful at giving information on products) suggests not which is rather strange, basically rules them out for us.

Yes they do but I don’t have access to the model numbers at the moment.

[MrJuice]

I got a really good deal on a miele DW on black Friday in 2017. £650 vs £930 at John Lewis. It also came with 300 dishwasher tablets which I feel are much better than finish etc.

If you can hold out until Black Friday, you might surprise yourself

[Kateg28]

Pooh said:

I own a kitchen company and sell a lot of appliances, I think Bosch/Neff are largely living off their past reputation, they have been reducing the spec and increasing the prices of their appliances for a while.
I am a big fan of Samsung, particularly for fridge freezers, ovens and hobs while Miele are great for washing machines and dryers.
Dishwashers used to be Bosh/Neff but I am not convinced that they still have an advantage over the competition.

We had a Samsung washing machine and at 10 months it fused the house every time I turned it on. I spent a lot of time on the phone each day for a week to customer services who said it was my problem and refused to send anyone unless I sent them an independent electrical report confirming a fault.
I refused, stipulating it was only 10 months old (all evidence sent) and they eventually sent an engineer out who confirmed it was due to hard water scale build up on the motor that was shorting the machine out. 4 months later it went wrong again but I couldn’t face Samsung customer services again so We threw it out and bought a Miele which has never gone wrong and is fabulous.
We now also have a Miele dryer and dishwasher and they are all brilliant,

[uncinqsix]

Pooh said:

I own a kitchen company and sell a lot of appliances, I think Bosch/Neff are largely living off their past reputation, they have been reducing the spec and increasing the prices of their appliances for a while.
I am a big fan of Samsung, particularly for fridge freezers, ovens and hobs while Miele are great for washing machines and dryers.
Dishwashers used to be Bosh/Neff but I am not convinced that they still have an advantage over the competition.

So for a dishwasher: Bosch series 6 or Miele Jubilee?

[Mattt]

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