Where to retire in the UK

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Kermit power

28,642 posts

213 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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roscopervis said:
moorx said:
roscopervis said:
monkfish1 said:
Assuming you are not welsh, how are you finding living there? Increasingly, im considering it.
I wonder what the locals at these places really think of people with retiring money moving there? This migration is terrible for the affordability of houses for the local people and most neighbour disputes are from incomers who either do things that don’t respect where they are or are upset when farmers do farming that doesn’t agree with their idea of a countryside idyll.

If anyone can’t tell, I’m not a fan of this.
I know this is a thread about where to retire, but since I responded to monkfish1's question, I thought I should clarify.

We did not retire here; I am still working full time (as I said, for the local NHS) and my partner works on our property. We currently survive on my salary only. The property we bought is not your typical retirement property, or one which most locals would be interested in buying - it's an old farmhouse with two converted barns (holiday lets) and 10 acres of land. We bought it as a business venture.

As for being 'incomers' who don't respect the countryside - we are both from rural/semi rural areas, with knowledge of farming, and a love for the countryside, particularly Wales. Fortunately, the few neighbours we have don't regard us as 'incomers' and have been very welcoming.

I understand your point, but don't tar everyone with the same brush please.
My point was specifically about people retiring moving to such rural areas. I have no problem whatsoever with people who move to work and contribute to the areas to which they move, especially ones who understand and also contribute to the type of area it is.


Unfortunately in my line of work I hear and see the ideas and questions from many retirees wishing to move to a rural area who clearly have no idea or respect for where they are thinking of moving to, don’t like being told they can’t do things on land that they want to own, even if nobody could see it, and for those that do move, they will, in many cases, quarrel with their neighbour.

What really winds me up is their long term inability to learn how to say the name of their house and or village and the almost inevitable name change to something like “Two Hoots” or “Monk’s Rest” with absolutely no logic or link to the original house name or the area. Hugely frustrating.

Over the longer term this has eroded and diluted the ‘indigenous’ local ideas and politics and essentially allowed parties that would not have any traction in these areas now having a voice and this in turn means that the natural politics and parties of the areas are now diluted. The retired incomers ideas and politics for the area is not the same as what the locals typically would like and the division grows.

As I said, workers who move to contribute is typically a good thing. Older people, whether we like it or not become a burden on the Local Authorities and NHS in those areas and their politics isn’t good for growth.

I know this won’t be a popular or even an opinion many could even empathise with. It is something that I have been involved in looking at in some detail as part of local plan’s and through personal interest. The view really is different from the perspective of the existing locals.
I completely understand your disdain for incomers not respecting local tradition, way of life, etc, etc, and fully share it. The same would go for people ripping the heart out of a community by buying up a huge percentage of the properties as holiday homes that they then only visit for a few weeks of the year.

I'm puzzled, though, as to why you'd be accepting of inbound working people who are presumably going to compete with the locals for jobs, as opposed to inbound retirees who aren't going to take anybody's jobs, but are presumably going to spend money with local shops, pubs, restaurants, tradespeople and the like?

My plan is 100% to "escape to the country" in the next 5-10 years. I spent my childhood in a village with a pub, school, shop and 4 farms, and just want to get back to it, smells, roads (and cars) covered in crap and all, with absolutely no desire whatsoever to see the local area transformed into Clapham on the Wold or whatever.

I've had a reasonably lucrative career, so should be able to retire with a decent salary to spend locally, and also do so young enough to be able to able to contribute to the local community through volunteer activities for a good quarter century or so before there's any risk of my becoming any sort of burden on anyone. Why would that be less welcome than someone coming in to work?

If you were saying you didn't want anyone at all coming in, I'd understand that. It's the apparent divide between working people and retired that I'm not clear on.

MattS5

1,897 posts

191 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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princeperch said:
We go to cromer (or nearby) every year for a few nights.

Last year we went to Sheringham. It is a nice enough place, and it was pretty quiet for the time of year. Can't remember the name of the pub right on the sea front, but it was nice sitting there in the evening, outside, listening to the waves.

My son loves the beach and we always go to no1 upstairs upstairs fish and chips in cromer and enjoy the view over the sea.

Would I want to live there full time ? Probably not. I enjoy going there because it's very relaxing, and a wholesale change to where and how we live in East London. I suspect the shine would come off and it would lose its magic if we moved there full time (and I did consider buying a 2 bed holiday home in Norfolk 5 or 6 years ago but decided against it).
I would imagine the 2 lifeboats was the pub in Sheringham, itt';s lovely place to sit outside in the summer.

Like you say, come back in winter when the wind is blowing from the north/north east and you'll wonder however the place can be the same.

The towns of Cromer and Sheringham are very very different in the winter months, still very refreshing to go for a walk in the cold air, but it's rather chilly compared to summer.

C70R

17,596 posts

104 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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princeperch said:
We go to cromer (or nearby) every year for a few nights.

Last year we went to Sheringham. It is a nice enough place, and it was pretty quiet for the time of year. Can't remember the name of the pub right on the sea front, but it was nice sitting there in the evening, outside, listening to the waves.

My son loves the beach and we always go to no1 upstairs upstairs fish and chips in cromer and enjoy the view over the sea.

Would I want to live there full time ? Probably not. I enjoy going there because it's very relaxing, and a wholesale change to where and how we live in East London. I suspect the shine would come off and it would lose its magic if we moved there full time (and I did consider buying a 2 bed holiday home in Norfolk 5 or 6 years ago but decided against it).
Being honest, there are many nicer places in North Norfolk than Sheringham. North Norfolk's coastal towns have, by and large, a bit of a sad feel to them.

If you absolutely had to live on the coast, I'd recommend looking further west.

Pit Pony

8,548 posts

121 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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red_slr said:
Pit Pony said:
Has anyone mentioned Birmingham.city centre yet? No?
I only ask. My wife was a student nurse at the QE and her first hospital accomodation was on steelhouse lane as part of what was the General and is now the children's hospital. So a very central ocation.
After I graduated, we lived in Rednal for 5 years so she spent 8 years living and working in birmingham.
One regret I have is moving for work to Keighley and us buying a house in the Yorkshire Dales. (We now live in Merseyside near her family)
We always joke that we are going to retire to a penthouse flat in B1,
But joking apart. My son and his fiancee, have j uyst bought a house in Bromsgrove and I'm thinking that retirement to somewhere that way wouldn't be so bad. If they had children, I'd like to be closer than 2.5 hours drive away.
Dont think I could retire to a flat. There can be issues with noise. Management fees can be hundreds a month. Then the ever impending bill of doom when the building needs £££££ spending on it.

We lived in a flat for 2 years and I would buy another as a holiday home but to live in full time when I was retired I think it would be a bad idea. Renting might be ok though, perhaps buy a house elsewhere and rent that out and then use the income from that to pay the rent on the flat.
Yes. Note the word joke.


Om

1,755 posts

78 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Kermit power said:
roscopervis said:
moorx said:
roscopervis said:
monkfish1 said:
Assuming you are not welsh, how are you finding living there? Increasingly, im considering it.
I wonder what the locals at these places really think of people with retiring money moving there? This migration is terrible for the affordability of houses for the local people and most neighbour disputes are from incomers who either do things that don’t respect where they are or are upset when farmers do farming that doesn’t agree with their idea of a countryside idyll.

If anyone can’t tell, I’m not a fan of this.
I know this is a thread about where to retire, but since I responded to monkfish1's question, I thought I should clarify.

We did not retire here; I am still working full time (as I said, for the local NHS) and my partner works on our property. We currently survive on my salary only. The property we bought is not your typical retirement property, or one which most locals would be interested in buying - it's an old farmhouse with two converted barns (holiday lets) and 10 acres of land. We bought it as a business venture.

As for being 'incomers' who don't respect the countryside - we are both from rural/semi rural areas, with knowledge of farming, and a love for the countryside, particularly Wales. Fortunately, the few neighbours we have don't regard us as 'incomers' and have been very welcoming.

I understand your point, but don't tar everyone with the same brush please.
My point was specifically about people retiring moving to such rural areas. I have no problem whatsoever with people who move to work and contribute to the areas to which they move, especially ones who understand and also contribute to the type of area it is.


Unfortunately in my line of work I hear and see the ideas and questions from many retirees wishing to move to a rural area who clearly have no idea or respect for where they are thinking of moving to, don’t like being told they can’t do things on land that they want to own, even if nobody could see it, and for those that do move, they will, in many cases, quarrel with their neighbour.

What really winds me up is their long term inability to learn how to say the name of their house and or village and the almost inevitable name change to something like “Two Hoots” or “Monk’s Rest” with absolutely no logic or link to the original house name or the area. Hugely frustrating.

Over the longer term this has eroded and diluted the ‘indigenous’ local ideas and politics and essentially allowed parties that would not have any traction in these areas now having a voice and this in turn means that the natural politics and parties of the areas are now diluted. The retired incomers ideas and politics for the area is not the same as what the locals typically would like and the division grows.

As I said, workers who move to contribute is typically a good thing. Older people, whether we like it or not become a burden on the Local Authorities and NHS in those areas and their politics isn’t good for growth.

I know this won’t be a popular or even an opinion many could even empathise with. It is something that I have been involved in looking at in some detail as part of local plan’s and through personal interest. The view really is different from the perspective of the existing locals.
I completely understand your disdain for incomers not respecting local tradition, way of life, etc, etc, and fully share it. The same would go for people ripping the heart out of a community by buying up a huge percentage of the properties as holiday homes that they then only visit for a few weeks of the year.

I'm puzzled, though, as to why you'd be accepting of inbound working people who are presumably going to compete with the locals for jobs, as opposed to inbound retirees who aren't going to take anybody's jobs, but are presumably going to spend money with local shops, pubs, restaurants, tradespeople and the like?

My plan is 100% to "escape to the country" in the next 5-10 years. I spent my childhood in a village with a pub, school, shop and 4 farms, and just want to get back to it, smells, roads (and cars) covered in crap and all, with absolutely no desire whatsoever to see the local area transformed into Clapham on the Wold or whatever.

I've had a reasonably lucrative career, so should be able to retire with a decent salary to spend locally, and also do so young enough to be able to able to contribute to the local community through volunteer activities for a good quarter century or so before there's any risk of my becoming any sort of burden on anyone. Why would that be less welcome than someone coming in to work?

If you were saying you didn't want anyone at all coming in, I'd understand that. It's the apparent divide between working people and retired that I'm not clear on.
I suspect it is more to do with the mindset of the older, traditional aged retired person. Younger people who come to live and work will likely interact more closely with the local community, will get involved with local matters, schools, after school, sports etc and will generally engage with people - face similar problems and issues.

For better or worse the archetypal retired folks whilst having some money to spend tend to recreate their suburban lives from back home, socialising with their peers, organising activities in similar groups etc. Their politics does tend toward the right, often radically opposed to what would be customary in the area. With the increased numbers it does have an impact on the local politics/those elected. Here in Anglesey we voted for Brexit, and now have a Conservative MP for the first time in over 40yrs (parachuted in at short notice from Kensington and Chelsea). This is on an island that has previously had massive EU social funding, was classed as a deprived area with GDP/Capita 57% of the EU average (UK as a whole was 118%) and relies predominantly on farming and tourism for its income. I am pretty certain it wasn't the bulk of local people that voted this way.

There also tend to be many more older retired people who move to the area as there are so few well paying jobs to support people of working age.

The above isn't a value judgement, simply an illustration of how incomers and particularly more wealthy older retirees can have a large impact on the local community simply by being there.

roscopervis

336 posts

147 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Om said:
I suspect it is more to do with the mindset of the older, traditional aged retired person. Younger people who come to live and work will likely interact more closely with the local community, will get involved with local matters, schools, after school, sports etc and will generally engage with people - face similar problems and issues.

For better or worse the archetypal retired folks whilst having some money to spend tend to recreate their suburban lives from back home, socialising with their peers, organising activities in similar groups etc. Their politics does tend toward the right, often radically opposed to what would be customary in the area. With the increased numbers it does have an impact on the local politics/those elected. Here in Anglesey we voted for Brexit, and now have a Conservative MP for the first time in over 40yrs (parachuted in at short notice from Kensington and Chelsea). This is on an island that has previously had massive EU social funding, was classed as a deprived area with GDP/Capita 57% of the EU average (UK as a whole was 118%) and relies predominantly on farming and tourism for its income. I am pretty certain it wasn't the bulk of local people that voted this way.

There also tend to be many more older retired people who move to the area as there are so few well paying jobs to support people of working age.

The above isn't a value judgement, simply an illustration of how incomers and particularly more wealthy older retirees can have a large impact on the local community simply by being there.
You have explained my issues very well there.

Kermit power

28,642 posts

213 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Om said:
I suspect it is more to do with the mindset of the older, traditional aged retired person. Younger people who come to live and work will likely interact more closely with the local community, will get involved with local matters, schools, after school, sports etc and will generally engage with people - face similar problems and issues.

For better or worse the archetypal retired folks whilst having some money to spend tend to recreate their suburban lives from back home, socialising with their peers, organising activities in similar groups etc. Their politics does tend toward the right, often radically opposed to what would be customary in the area. With the increased numbers it does have an impact on the local politics/those elected. Here in Anglesey we voted for Brexit, and now have a Conservative MP for the first time in over 40yrs (parachuted in at short notice from Kensington and Chelsea). This is on an island that has previously had massive EU social funding, was classed as a deprived area with GDP/Capita 57% of the EU average (UK as a whole was 118%) and relies predominantly on farming and tourism for its income. I am pretty certain it wasn't the bulk of local people that voted this way.

There also tend to be many more older retired people who move to the area as there are so few well paying jobs to support people of working age.

The above isn't a value judgement, simply an illustration of how incomers and particularly more wealthy older retirees can have a large impact on the local community simply by being there.
An interesting response, thanks.

I think everywhere we've looked currently has a Tory (or possibly LibDem) MP. I suppose I've always just thought that was standard for England - Tory Shires and Labour cities - but I hadn't thought to question if that has always been the case, or how long ago demographic shifts might've changed it?

With regards to Anglesey, though, if you're saying that you think it voting for Brexit in spite of being the recipient of lots of EU funding because of incoming retirees, I'm not sure that's necessarily accurate! It's quite staggering the number of turkeys who voted for Christmas in the referendum. Just look at places like Merthyr Tydfil, which voted heavily in favour despite being cutting their own throats in terms of inbound EU funding, and that certainly wasn't as a result of incoming retirees because, well, have you seen Merthyr?? biggrin

cayman-black

12,642 posts

216 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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parakitaMol. said:
I know a guy who has a 2 bed bungalow coming up in Winkleigh. It is currently going through probate, think it is quite basic and has no garage (it was his mother's). No problem with dogs he has Spaniels and a farm (that does off road land rover stuff).

Let me know if you want me to put you in touch..

The best way to find rentals is to go on ALL the local village FB groups and write a little bio of your situation and ask - and keep asking. I have seen a few people find stuff that way. The other alternative is to take a holiday let.
parakita, thank you very much i may have found a small cottage today in Weare Giffard if it doesnt work i will contact you.
Thanks again!

parakitaMol.

11,876 posts

251 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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cayman-black said:
parakitaMol. said:
I know a guy who has a 2 bed bungalow coming up in Winkleigh. It is currently going through probate, think it is quite basic and has no garage (it was his mother's). No problem with dogs he has Spaniels and a farm (that does off road land rover stuff).

Let me know if you want me to put you in touch..

The best way to find rentals is to go on ALL the local village FB groups and write a little bio of your situation and ask - and keep asking. I have seen a few people find stuff that way. The other alternative is to take a holiday let.
parakita, thank you very much i may have found a small cottage today in Weare Giffard if it doesnt work i will contact you.
Thanks again!
That's like 5 miles from me! let us know how you get on. We have just moved to Beaford (and so has another PHer...) will have to build a track in my field at this rate! smile

cayman-black

12,642 posts

216 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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LOL , will do!

GT3Manthey

4,518 posts

49 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Going back to my previous posts on Frinton I’ve been seeing more reports of cars and garages being broken into which is concerning although I’m thinking where I am now, and in other areas, this is commonplace to most areas.

So the question is, if we eventually decide against full time life in Frinton where too next ?

South Suffolk I like but might be a little too far for the missus and she is a fan of Frinton as there is a community and all she needs inside the gates.

Somewhere coastal for me is a priority but the likes of Southwold and Aldeburgh and quite a bit more expensive and I don’t like the stoney beach at Aldeburgh

How u doing

27,010 posts

183 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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GT3Manthey said:
Going back to my previous posts on Frinton I’ve been seeing more reports of cars and garages being broken into which is concerning although I’m thinking where I am now, and in other areas, this is commonplace to most areas.

So the question is, if we eventually decide against full time life in Frinton where too next ?

South Suffolk I like but might be a little too far for the missus and she is a fan of Frinton as there is a community and all she needs inside the gates.

Somewhere coastal for me is a priority but the likes of Southwold and Aldeburgh and quite a bit more expensive and I don’t like the stoney beach at Aldeburgh
I like Orford, a little inland but on the river, a real local community alongside the weekenders, sailing club, walks, pubs, restaurants, independent shops, The downside is its quite a distance from town.

GT3Manthey

4,518 posts

49 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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How u doing said:
I like Orford, a little inland but on the river, a real local community alongside the weekenders, sailing club, walks, pubs, restaurants, independent shops, The downside is its quite a distance from town.
Great many Tks I’ll take a look now

blackmme

296 posts

83 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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C70R said:
Being honest, there are many nicer places in North Norfolk than Sheringham. North Norfolk's coastal towns have, by and large, a bit of a sad feel to them.

If you absolutely had to live on the coast, I'd recommend looking further west.
The North Norfolk Coast is changing quite fast (multiple dimensions to that statement actually!). The 'Chelsea on Sea' of the Burnhams has now definitely spread along the coast and you won't have to go more than 3 miles west of Sheringham for the prices to become 'surprising / reassuringly expensive'.
Sheringham itself is now moving upmarket in the way that Well's did 20 years ago and to an extent the Runtons as well.

Cromer and Sheringham have a very different ambience with Sheringham almost becoming a 'themed' 40's/50's nostalgia destination thanks to the runaway success of the 40's event and the NNR. Cromer is far more of a 'traditional' seaside town but by the standard of UK seaside towns that are past their heyday it really is not too bad at all.

When it comes to Winter I completely agree it can be utterly bloody miserable particularly if a Haar descends and you get 7 days of sea fog.
It does have its magical days in Winter but generally it can feel remote although some friends of ours really like that feeling of remoteness!

We lived down in the Runtons for 15 years and have now moved a mile up the hill. We can still walk down to the beach through the woods but now have a bit more space and peace and quiet which after just how crowded things got last summer down there is welcome!

GT3Manthey

4,518 posts

49 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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How u doing said:
I like Orford, a little inland but on the river, a real local community alongside the weekenders, sailing club, walks, pubs, restaurants, independent shops, The downside is its quite a distance from town.
Actually Orford looks a good shout not too much further on from my regular journey from Ingatestone

How u doing

27,010 posts

183 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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GT3Manthey said:
How u doing said:
I like Orford, a little inland but on the river, a real local community alongside the weekenders, sailing club, walks, pubs, restaurants, independent shops, The downside is its quite a distance from town.
Actually Orford looks a good shout not too much further on from my regular journey from Ingatestone
Tidy, well kept, pretty village. Big enough to have stuff going on, small enough to have a sense of community.


GT3Manthey

4,518 posts

49 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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How u doing said:
Tidy, well kept, pretty village. Big enough to have stuff going on, small enough to have a sense of community.
Tks it’s now on my ‘to visit’ list.

Spent a few months researching areas but never ventured that way .

12TS

1,837 posts

210 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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It’s very nice, but maybe gets a bit busy during peak tourist times. Pricey as well.

If you do go have a look at the Pump St Bakery.

Blib

44,050 posts

197 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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How u doing said:
GT3Manthey said:
Going back to my previous posts on Frinton I’ve been seeing more reports of cars and garages being broken into which is concerning although I’m thinking where I am now, and in other areas, this is commonplace to most areas.

So the question is, if we eventually decide against full time life in Frinton where too next ?

South Suffolk I like but might be a little too far for the missus and she is a fan of Frinton as there is a community and all she needs inside the gates.

Somewhere coastal for me is a priority but the likes of Southwold and Aldeburgh and quite a bit more expensive and I don’t like the stoney beach at Aldeburgh
I like Orford, a little inland but on the river, a real local community alongside the weekenders, sailing club, walks, pubs, restaurants, independent shops, The downside is its quite a distance from town.
Although lovely in winter, the problem with all of those towns is that every fine weekend and all summer traffic becomes a nightmare.

The roads and car parks can't handle anywhere near the volume that descends on them whenever the sun comes out. To all intents and purposes, there's just one road in and out of each and by about 9am there's traffic queues. The residents almost become hostages.hehe

Prices in Southwold, Aldeburgh, Walberswick and most things east of the A12 are plain silly for that reason, imo.

We moved to a very quiet village in Bow & Arrow country, west of the A12 in the Halesworth hinterland.

We are 20 mins from the coast (we go really early to walk the dog on the beaches) and are home before the hordes descend.

If you live west there's mile after mile of fantastic and almost empty roads to hoon down; our nearest traffic light is half an hour away in Leiston. It's like going back 50 years and we love it.

There's also Sizewell C to think about. When it's built the vast majority of materials with come in by road. That's hundreds of lorry loads a day. The A12 will be carnage!




Edited by Blib on Friday 25th June 11:36

GT3Manthey

4,518 posts

49 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Blib said:
Although lovely in winter, the problem with all of those towns is that every fine weekend and all summer traffic becomes a nightmare.

The roads and car parks can't handle anywhere near the volume that descends on them whenever the sun comes out. To all intents and purposes, there's just one road in and out of each and by about 9am there's traffic queues. The residents almost become hostages.hehe

Prices in Southwold, Aldeburgh, Walberswick and most things east of the A12 are plain silly for that reason, imo.

We moved to a very quiet village in Bow & Arrow country, west of the A12 in the Halesworth hinterland.

We are 20 mins from the coast (we go really early to walk the dog on the beaches) and are home before the hordes descend.

If you live west there's mile after mile of fantastic and almost empty roads to hoon down; our nearest traffic light is half an hour away in Leiston. It's like going back 50 years and we love it.

There's also Sizewell C to think about. When it's built the vast majority of materials with come in by road. That's hundreds of lorry loads a day. The A12 will be carnage!




Edited by Blib on Friday 25th June 11:36
This is very true.
Lockdown and furlough has made the likes of Frinton suddenly very popular and you are right in that there really is pretty much one road in and out.

The A12 has held up fairly well but you have to choose when to leave to avoid the traffic jams and over the last 2 weeks they had to close it due to accidents. Then you’re f4cked.

Plans are afoot for widening the a12 between Chelmsford and Marks Tey and consultations are going ahead.

These works might make travel there and back at busy periods a right ball ache though.

I agree the cost of costal property now has gotten ridiculous