Why do they do it? genuine question!

Why do they do it? genuine question!

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Pan Pan Pan

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9,777 posts

110 months

Monday 1st March 2021
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Saw a video that I managed to miss when it first came out, of Mariah Carey singing her Visions of Love song. And what struck me (as well as how good the song was), was how good she looked in her early days.
Now she has undergone the Miss Dunlop treatment, she possibly wouldn't recognize herself if she bumped into herself walking down the street, and she is not even the worst of what `some' do to themselves.
It seems quite a few these days want botox treatment, that makes them look like they have crashed into an inner tube factory, and walked out with one stuck to the front of their face. What on Earth do they `think' they look like? Then there are those with all over tats, who look like they have crashed into a wallpaper factory. With the sad part being that many of them, were delightful to look at, without all that false stuff being done to them.
I just wonder, every time I see an example of this, is WTF did you go and do that to yourself for?
Whilst I realize that for some, (even though they might already look great naturally) getting these `enhancements' is all part of the make up, and appearance arms race, but for me at least, it does not make it any easier to understand.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Monday 1st March 19:48

Douglas Quaid

2,271 posts

84 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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Looks starting to fade is very depressing. It is an attempt to hold onto youth. With some it works great, Tom cruise has looked young up to now although is starting to fall apart. With others it doesn’t work so well.
Getting old is st.

Pan Pan Pan

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9,777 posts

110 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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Douglas Quaid said:
Looks starting to fade is very depressing. It is an attempt to hold onto youth. With some it works great, Tom cruise has looked young up to now although is starting to fall apart. With others it doesn’t work so well.
Getting old is st.
Agreed! but like the saying goes, not one of us has ever gotten out of here alive, The added problem for those who have turned to the `plastic' is that whilst their `normal' bits will carry on ageing `normally', the plastic does not.
Those who have turned themselves into grotesques with these `procedures', begin to look increasingly grotesque as they get older.

This query was also to some extent prompted by a poster on a local web site asking where the best botox salons were, in the area. I remember thinking please just don't do it!
But of course it was the posters boat that was going to be ruined, so what the hell!

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 3rd March 20:43

Pan Pan Pan

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9,777 posts

110 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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Just to take this topic a little further, how many people here would be happy if their girlfriend / wife / partner announced that they were going to have their lips inflated with botox?
Would it be a case of your face,, your choice, or would it be a case of trying to talk then into or our of having it done?
Again a genuine question, because from my POV I cannot see why some feel the need for it.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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Pan Pan Pan said:
Just to take this topic a little further, how many people here would be happy if their girlfriend / wife / partner announced that they were going to have their lips inflated with botox?
Would it be a case of your face,, your choice, or would it be a case of trying to talk then into or our of having it done?
Again a genuine question, because from my POV I cannot see why some feel the need for it.
My personal opinion, I hope I give my wife enough confidence in herself the she wouldn't feel it's necessary. You don't even need to be a superstar these days, in a couple of circles I move in (fellow business owners etc) it's not that unusual to see the wive's suddenly crop up with mid season upgrades.

I personally feel it says more about the state of their marriages that they're probably thinking they need to resort to such efforts in the misguided effort to keep their husbands on the straight and narrow (funnily enough, their husbands tend to be the ones who go on "golfing" weekends etc which seem to revolve around strip joints and city centres rather than country clubs!).

Pan Pan Pan

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9,777 posts

110 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Just to take this topic a little further, how many people here would be happy if their girlfriend / wife / partner announced that they were going to have their lips inflated with botox?
Would it be a case of your face,, your choice, or would it be a case of trying to talk then into or our of having it done?
Again a genuine question, because from my POV I cannot see why some feel the need for it.
My personal opinion, I hope I give my wife enough confidence in herself the she wouldn't feel it's necessary. You don't even need to be a superstar these days, in a couple of circles I move in (fellow business owners etc) it's not that unusual to see the wive's suddenly crop up with mid season upgrades.

I personally feel it says more about the state of their marriages that they're probably thinking they need to resort to such efforts in the misguided effort to keep their husbands on the straight and narrow (funnily enough, their husbands tend to be the ones who go on "golfing" weekends etc which seem to revolve around strip joints and city centres rather than country clubs!).
This begs the question Do the women who do have this done actually believe it makes them look better, and if so on what grounds?
Most (it seems) just manage to turn themselves into grotesques. Which is why I really did wonder why they do it.

steveo3002

10,494 posts

173 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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id like to know how it ever became the in thing to want to look like that , stupid lips , big black eye brows like a clown , painted up all orange they look like a fool

Pan Pan Pan

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9,777 posts

110 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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steveo3002 said:
id like to know how it ever became the in thing to want to look like that , stupid lips , big black eye brows like a clown , painted up all orange they look like a fool
Same thoughts here, They make themselves look like clowns, that have escaped from a circus, or a refugee from a Nick Parks stop/go animation film, But as asked before, do they actually believe they are making themselves look better? Perhaps they really do? I just wondered what the reasons why they have done this to themselves might be.
As a mate who also had thoughts about why they do this said, `They must make sure they don't fall over in a supermarket, because they would need to be slid all the way to the door before they can break the suction, and stand up!
Surely their partners would not want them doing this to them selves?

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Sunday 7th March 11:15

steveo3002

10,494 posts

173 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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think leslie ash was an early case of this , very popular attractive young woman , then instead of aging gracefully she ruined herself and looks a mess

Pixelpeep Z4

8,600 posts

141 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
I hope I give my wife enough confidence in herself the she wouldn't feel it's necessary.
Great comment. Top man.

LaurasOtherHalf said:
it's not that unusual to see the wive's suddenly crop up with mid season upgrades.
Made me laugh out loud. For real. fantastic phrase and great analogy laugh

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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Pan Pan Pan said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Just to take this topic a little further, how many people here would be happy if their girlfriend / wife / partner announced that they were going to have their lips inflated with botox?
Would it be a case of your face,, your choice, or would it be a case of trying to talk then into or our of having it done?
Again a genuine question, because from my POV I cannot see why some feel the need for it.
My personal opinion, I hope I give my wife enough confidence in herself the she wouldn't feel it's necessary. You don't even need to be a superstar these days, in a couple of circles I move in (fellow business owners etc) it's not that unusual to see the wive's suddenly crop up with mid season upgrades.

I personally feel it says more about the state of their marriages that they're probably thinking they need to resort to such efforts in the misguided effort to keep their husbands on the straight and narrow (funnily enough, their husbands tend to be the ones who go on "golfing" weekends etc which seem to revolve around strip joints and city centres rather than country clubs!).
This begs the question Do the women who do have this done actually believe it makes them look better, and if so on what grounds?
Most (it seems) just manage to turn themselves into grotesques. Which is why I really did wonder why they do it.
Perhaps read the guess who has aged thread? Plenty of examples on there of people who have let time and nature do it's thing and are ridiculed for it, even someone like Shelley Duvall who has had some rather serious mental health problems and by the way, is over 70!

Others as you say, play the surgery game and end up jumping the shark. I guess it's like a lot of addictive traits. You start of having a bit of work here and there and it just escalates, maybe each improvement highlights the next imperfection.

A bit like car modifying, you give it some more power then you need bigger brakes, then better tyres to take advantage, then more aggressive suspension and geometry, then the chassis starts tearing so it needs seam welding...

Before you know it you're driving around in Phil Collins' ex-missus!

steveo3002

10,494 posts

173 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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if these hollywood stars cant get good /natrual results at a $$$$$$$ plastic surgeon how the average folk think they can do better is beyond me

P-Jay

10,551 posts

190 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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I think it varies, some of the current crop of Ex-Love Island 'Celebrity' Influencers or whatever they call them these days are just vain, the idea that 2ltrs of lip filler makes them very obviously unnatural doesn't really bother them, it gets the noticed and really that's all they care about. It was the same with those very obviously fake tit jobs in the 90s. A couple of seemingly rock hard, football shaped plastimams stuck on a stick thin frame was all the rage.

Some are fighting the clock, I don't know how old Mariah Carey is, mid-50s by now? I think they'd rather look unnatural than, well natural because most people in their mid-50s are starting to look quite old. Fame is cruel and few manage to keep it into middle-age. I was reading something the other day about how Emma Stone (I'd drag my dick through a mile of broken glass just to hear her fart through a walkie talkie) needed to take on more serious roles to prolong her career as she can no long carry a film on her appearance alone, she's 33. It sounds crazy, but even Cameron Diaz's career as a leading actor was pretty much over by her mid-30s because she refused to have any more surgery or Botox.

MC Bodge

21,552 posts

174 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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No, I don't understand it either. It doesn't look good. Even the better examples look "like work has been done".

In some cases, the people (not only women) having these "enhancements" (equivalent to the 90s Max Power style) are still quite young. Having an immobile face as smooth as porcelain, rather than skin, seems to be an aim. The disfgurement of large, visible tattoos has been discussd elsewhere on this site.

BurtonLazars

579 posts

43 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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This thread pisses me off. And you guys have every right to your views, but here’s mine before I leave you to it.

For years women have had to endure a society (and especially the case in movie & music industries) in which their primary value is their beauty. Even today the amount of films where the male actor is 50 but his wife is 20-something is just disgraceful. As said above take a look at the “who’s aged” thread, which is nothing more than a thin veneer excuse to sneer at people for not looking how they did decades ago - regardless of whether or not they’re a better person now who’s achieved something great.

In this environment, with then the added fuel of “everyone presenting only their best selves” on social media (where best self is faked and airbrushed) - is it any wonder that people try treatments to delay aging? Add into that mental health / low self esteem issues, that cause people to double down on this stuff and you have a giant cluster fk. IMO most of the people you’ll sneer at were mentally vulnerable people who were then exploited by the people around them.

Can I kindly suggest that the people who want to sneer on this thread take a moment to consider that they’re partly responsible for what’s happening. And that if they don’t like it, they can change it in a positive way rather than victim blaming.

I know a bunch of you guys will think I’m a woke liberal. But on the other side, you guys seem like outdated dinosaurs. A hair’s breadth away from when Jimmy Saville would in public pat women on the bum, ask for the “one with the big knockers”, etc. It wasn’t ok then, it was just socially acceptable. It still isn’t ok now, and thankfully it’s becoming not socially acceptable any more. These women put up with it in silence because they had to and were conditioned to.

Also you don’t plump lips up with Botox. You sound like a dumb bint recommending to cure brake squeal by oiling them.

/rant
getmecoat

P-Jay

10,551 posts

190 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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BurtonLazars said:
This thread pisses me off. And you guys have every right to your views, but here’s mine before I leave you to it.

For years women have had to endure a society (and especially the case in movie & music industries) in which their primary value is their beauty. Even today the amount of films where the male actor is 50 but his wife is 20-something is just disgraceful. As said above take a look at the “who’s aged” thread, which is nothing more than a thin veneer excuse to sneer at people for not looking how they did decades ago - regardless of whether or not they’re a better person now who’s achieved something great.

In this environment, with then the added fuel of “everyone presenting only their best selves” on social media (where best self is faked and airbrushed) - is it any wonder that people try treatments to delay aging? Add into that mental health / low self esteem issues, that cause people to double down on this stuff and you have a giant cluster fk. IMO most of the people you’ll sneer at were mentally vulnerable people who were then exploited by the people around them.

Can I kindly suggest that the people who want to sneer on this thread take a moment to consider that they’re partly responsible for what’s happening. And that if they don’t like it, they can change it in a positive way rather than victim blaming.

I know a bunch of you guys will think I’m a woke liberal. But on the other side, you guys seem like outdated dinosaurs. A hair’s breadth away from when Jimmy Saville would in public pat women on the bum, ask for the “one with the big knockers”, etc. It wasn’t ok then, it was just socially acceptable. It still isn’t ok now, and thankfully it’s becoming not socially acceptable any more. These women put up with it in silence because they had to and were conditioned to.

Also you don’t plump lips up with Botox. You sound like a dumb bint recommending to cure brake squeal by oiling them.

/rant
getmecoat
Are you saying that we shouldn't objectify people who got out of their way to sell an image to objectified, or that we're all nonses because we think Leslie Ash looks a bit daft with trout lips?

Pan Pan Pan

Original Poster:

9,777 posts

110 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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steveo3002 said:
think leslie ash was an early case of this , very popular attractive young woman , then instead of aging gracefully she ruined herself and looks a mess
Leslie Ash was indeed another case in point. It was not as if she looked bad to begin with, Then she went and got botox, after which she looked rough and unnatural.
As posted above this question was prompted by seeing an early video of Mariah Carey, before she got the plastic, and whilst looking at some of the later ones, then thinking WTF did she go and do that to herself for?
I was really intrigued to know if those that do / did this to themselves actually believe they have made themselves look better, because IMHO the exact opposite seems to be true?

105.4

4,065 posts

70 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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Steady on chaps. You’ll have certain posters telling you that ‘no woman owes you her looks’ and that you’re all ‘misogynistic’ for merely passing comment.

rolleyes

MC Bodge

21,552 posts

174 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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BurtonLazars said:
I know a bunch of you guys will think I’m a woke liberal.
As a -fairly untypical of PH- progressive liberal myself,. I think that people should be free to have these things, but don't really understand it.

I take your point about women being pressured to look a certain way, but the question regards apparently bizarre body modifications of dubious merit. Who is convinced that the "enhancements" are helping physically or emotionally? Peer pressure must play a part, but does anybody stop to think about it? It strikes me as an Emperor's new clothes scenario.

I think it is quite sad that people, even young ones, feel that they need to conform to this somewhat odd (to me) "ideal". Very big lips full of filler, why?


Edited by MC Bodge on Friday 5th March 12:14

Pan Pan Pan

Original Poster:

9,777 posts

110 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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BurtonLazars said:
This thread pisses me off. And you guys have every right to your views, but here’s mine before I leave you to it.

For years women have had to endure a society (and especially the case in movie & music industries) in which their primary value is their beauty. Even today the amount of films where the male actor is 50 but his wife is 20-something is just disgraceful. As said above take a look at the “who’s aged” thread, which is nothing more than a thin veneer excuse to sneer at people for not looking how they did decades ago - regardless of whether or not they’re a better person now who’s achieved something great.

In this environment, with then the added fuel of “everyone presenting only their best selves” on social media (where best self is faked and airbrushed) - is it any wonder that people try treatments to delay aging? Add into that mental health / low self esteem issues, that cause people to double down on this stuff and you have a giant cluster fk. IMO most of the people you’ll sneer at were mentally vulnerable people who were then exploited by the people around them.

Can I kindly suggest that the people who want to sneer on this thread take a moment to consider that they’re partly responsible for what’s happening. And that if they don’t like it, they can change it in a positive way rather than victim blaming.

I know a bunch of you guys will think I’m a woke liberal. But on the other side, you guys seem like outdated dinosaurs. A hair’s breadth away from when Jimmy Saville would in public pat women on the bum, ask for the “one with the big knockers”, etc. It wasn’t ok then, it was just socially acceptable. It still isn’t ok now, and thankfully it’s becoming not socially acceptable any more. These women put up with it in silence because they had to and were conditioned to.

Also you don’t plump lips up with Botox. You sound like a dumb bint recommending to cure brake squeal by oiling them.

/rant
getmecoat
I doubt that any `forced' themselves to have this kind of work done on them, (especially at the prices charged by those who carry it out) They did it to themselves. And it is not only women who feel the need to do this. So We don't need any of the WhIte Knight in shining armour attitude.
Which was why I asked WHY do they do it?.
Even some naturally good looking women do this to themselves, with no one forcing them to. So it is too simplistic to just blame it on society
If someone is not particular attractive, it may be understandable, that they might indulge in some `enhancements' , but for already good looking people to do it, likely means there is an underlying mental health issue to be dealt with.
If a partner stated that she was going to have this done, I would try to persuade her not to because how she looks naturally is all that I would be happy with. but on the other side of the argument, as stated earlier there is also the consideration, that it is her face, and her choice about what happens to it, to be taken into account.
What would be best, if if the public were able to realize that doing this damage to themselves is neither clever, nor desirable.