New build deviating from plans…
Discussion
skeeterm5 said:
What I can’t understand is that who ever did that walked away thinking that they had done an ok job. Surely they must have thought something wasn’t right?
I imagine the stairs installation bloke got there first and it just looked a bit close to the door.When Mr 'Architrave and Gripfill' came along, all he was paid to do was slap some architrave around the door frames.
Which he did.
Not his job to take responsibility for others, or to oversee the whole job.
You can imagine that the (lack of) site management might have allowed various other bits not to join up as the design intended.
OutInTheShed said:
skeeterm5 said:
What I can’t understand is that who ever did that walked away thinking that they had done an ok job. Surely they must have thought something wasn’t right?
I imagine the stairs installation bloke got there first and it just looked a bit close to the door.When Mr 'Architrave and Gripfill' came along, all he was paid to do was slap some architrave around the door frames.
Which he did.
Not his job to take responsibility for others, or to oversee the whole job.
You can imagine that the (lack of) site management might have allowed various other bits not to join up as the design intended.
It's not always easy to manage stupid.
Mr Whippy said:
How is this even possible wrt groundworks?
Groundworks manage to be perfect when timber framing otherwise you’d need a unique frame per house.
Doesn’t anyone just ‘double check’ once the first blocks go down?
Or even have surveyors marking out all block work points on top of foundation pouring?
I’ve seen all these things happening on site, so can only assume some developers just leave lowly contractors determining the final shape/dimensions of a house with no checks?! Staggering!
I’ve seen all these cock ups on sites as well, I’ve seen plots built opposite hand to what is on the site plans, I’ve seen front and rear doors in the wrong position, I’ve seen internal drains in the wrong place when we have come to joist, as I always smash the concrete floor under a trimmed joist for a soil stack to be sure the joists are going on the correct way. Groundworks manage to be perfect when timber framing otherwise you’d need a unique frame per house.
Doesn’t anyone just ‘double check’ once the first blocks go down?
Or even have surveyors marking out all block work points on top of foundation pouring?
I’ve seen all these things happening on site, so can only assume some developers just leave lowly contractors determining the final shape/dimensions of a house with no checks?! Staggering!
So I have hit and hit the concrete to no avail before now, measure out the same distance off the opposite wall and there you go a soil stack, ground workers set out wrong hand.
Mistakes happen with every trade, a site agent can’t stand over every contractor on a site to be sure they’re doing it right besides the point most agents are not trade background now so do t have a scooby what you’re doing.
I went round a block of 16 apartments on friday, prior to the buyer snagging them. I was annoyed because 1 plug socked in one apartment wasn't quite horizontal and one bathroom door catch was a bit sticky.
If I had something like the Op's staircase on one of my sites a number of people from Finishing Foreman, through site manage, quality control and contracts manager would have some explaining to do.
Biggest grief I have on site at the moment (aside from the above) is that someone is complaining we haven't seeded the POS, but its a tad early in the season so we haven't done it.
We did have an issue with a roof design - but we fixed that by taking every installed roof off and re-designing.
The test is not whether mistakes happen but how they are dealt with
If I had something like the Op's staircase on one of my sites a number of people from Finishing Foreman, through site manage, quality control and contracts manager would have some explaining to do.
Biggest grief I have on site at the moment (aside from the above) is that someone is complaining we haven't seeded the POS, but its a tad early in the season so we haven't done it.
We did have an issue with a roof design - but we fixed that by taking every installed roof off and re-designing.
The test is not whether mistakes happen but how they are dealt with
Toaster Pilot said:
Will hopefully be having a call with the site manager tomorrow to discuss this and a number of other (more minor, admittedly) issues. Didn’t expect to have a list of defects at this stage but here we are.
You might need to escalate to construction director. It’s the site manager that has presided over this messblueg33 said:
Toaster Pilot said:
Will hopefully be having a call with the site manager tomorrow to discuss this and a number of other (more minor, admittedly) issues. Didn’t expect to have a list of defects at this stage but here we are.
You might need to escalate to construction director. It’s the site manager that has presided over this mess
OutInTheShed said:
blueg33 said:
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The test is not whether mistakes happen but how they are dealt with
Trite self indulgent crap.The test is not whether mistakes happen but how they are dealt with
If you think that anything can be built with zero defects then you are a fantasist. I am sure you have made mistakes in your life, fact is, they happen. If you say you don't make mistakes then you are a liar as well as a fantasist
Toaster Pilot said:
Latest update is that they are seeking guidance from their technical team on how to resolve.
For those who actually have experience - is that “stalling you whilst we work out either how to bodge it or give you as little as possible to STFU about it” ?
Possibly trying to work out who made the mistake and if there is a manageable way to resolve it.For those who actually have experience - is that “stalling you whilst we work out either how to bodge it or give you as little as possible to STFU about it” ?
The suggestion made earlier in the thread of extending the newel post above the architrave is a really simple solution.
Elysium said:
Toaster Pilot said:
Latest update is that they are seeking guidance from their technical team on how to resolve.
For those who actually have experience - is that “stalling you whilst we work out either how to bodge it or give you as little as possible to STFU about it” ?
Possibly trying to work out who made the mistake and if there is a manageable way to resolve it.For those who actually have experience - is that “stalling you whilst we work out either how to bodge it or give you as little as possible to STFU about it” ?
The suggestion made earlier in the thread of extending the newel post above the architrave is a really simple solution.
I would genuinely be worried about what you can't see if this is how they do things you can !!
I accept that the builder is a volume producer, but if it were me parting with hard earned cash for a new build I would be writing to the Directors saying that something is amis with site supervision as there are now 2 relatively large issues both of which have been spotted by you not them, and ask what are they going to do about it?
They are churning out many houses that I assume are similar so the design will be known and putting them up should not really yield many surprises.
They are churning out many houses that I assume are similar so the design will be known and putting them up should not really yield many surprises.
Toaster Pilot said:
Latest update is that they are seeking guidance from their technical team on how to resolve.
For those who actually have experience - is that “stalling you whilst we work out either how to bodge it or give you as little as possible to STFU about it” ?
That’ll be a regs or structures issue then. Cutting out the door means a new lintel for example and a bit of temp works to support the wall over whilst they fit said lintel.For those who actually have experience - is that “stalling you whilst we work out either how to bodge it or give you as little as possible to STFU about it” ?
Trimming / remaking the stairs smaller means checking the new dims for compliance against regs.
The site team going back to technical is a good sign that they’re not just going to bodge something. Site bodgery is done without checking.
Richard-390a0 said:
skeeterm5 said:
What I can’t understand is that who ever did that walked away thinking that they had done an ok job. Surely they must have thought something wasn’t right?
No f*cks given / not my job mate attitude isn't it.They are literally paid to do a specific job.
98elise said:
Richard-390a0 said:
skeeterm5 said:
What I can’t understand is that who ever did that walked away thinking that they had done an ok job. Surely they must have thought something wasn’t right?
No f*cks given / not my job mate attitude isn't it.They are literally paid to do a specific job.
Elysium said:
98elise said:
Richard-390a0 said:
skeeterm5 said:
What I can’t understand is that who ever did that walked away thinking that they had done an ok job. Surely they must have thought something wasn’t right?
No f*cks given / not my job mate attitude isn't it.They are literally paid to do a specific job.
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