New build deviating from plans…

[Richard-390a0]

98elise said:

Richard-390a0 said:

skeeterm5 said:

What I can’t understand is that who ever did that walked away thinking that they had done an ok job. Surely they must have thought something wasn’t right?

No f*cks given / not my job mate attitude isn't it.

How do you think a carpenter or joiner could fix what looks like a fundamental design or build issue?

They are literally paid to do a specific job.

Assuming the carpenter / joiner has half a brain / pride in their work surely you would flag this issue up to your foreman etc before starting work on something that is obviously wrong?. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes levels of deduction to conclude if this is different to the last house of the same design you worked on something isn't right, but like you say they're paid to do a specific job so no fks given if it's right or not.

[Zarco]

Richard-390a0 said:

98elise said:

Richard-390a0 said:

skeeterm5 said:

What I can’t understand is that who ever did that walked away thinking that they had done an ok job. Surely they must have thought something wasn’t right?

No f*cks given / not my job mate attitude isn't it.

How do you think a carpenter or joiner could fix what looks like a fundamental design or build issue?

They are literally paid to do a specific job.

Assuming the carpenter / joiner has half a brain / pride in their work surely you would flag this issue up to your foreman etc before starting work on something that is obviously wrong?. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes levels of deduction to conclude if this is different to the last house of the same design you worked on something isn't right, but like you say they're paid to do a specific job so no fks given if it's right or not.

This is often the case.

[OutInTheShed]

Richard-390a0 said:

Assuming the carpenter / joiner has half a brain / pride in their work surely you would flag this issue up to your foreman etc before starting work on something that is obviously wrong?. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes levels of deduction to conclude if this is different to the last house of the same design you worked on something isn't right, but like you say they're paid to do a specific job so no fks given if it's right or not.

'Carpenter' AKA 'architrave and gripfill man' : I say old chap someone has made an error here!

Foreman: 'Just get on with it you ***** or you're off site!'

[Promised Land]

b0rk said:

That’ll be a regs or structures issue then. Cutting out the door means a new lintel for example and a bit of temp works to support the wall over whilst they fit said lintel.
Trimming / remaking the stairs smaller means checking the new dims for compliance against regs.

The site team going back to technical is a good sign that they’re not just going to bodge something. Site bodgery is done without checking.

It’s rare to have internal block walls in new builds, some have them usually larger or 3 storey plots so chances are it’s stud or tin wall, if either of those it’s simple to alter if other walls can be adjusted as well. It could well be a drawing problem as they occur more often than you’d think.

On one site we had a huge problem with 2 roof pitches meeting and fascia lines meeting up, site agent told the office, their answer was, well they got over it on another site so you’ll have to do the same.

We did it how we’d do it, it worked out right but higher up the ladder they don’t have a clue so draw a blank a lot of the time.

I think it all stems from more and more in management levels with zero trade experience, go to uni for 3 years, get a management degree and think they can design and build houses. Not that easy.

[blueg33]

Richard-390a0 said:

Assuming the carpenter / joiner has half a brain / pride in their work surely you would flag this issue up to your foreman etc before starting work on something that is obviously wrong?. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes levels of deduction to conclude if this is different to the last house of the same design you worked on something isn't right, but like you say they're paid to do a specific job so no fks given if it's right or not.

The process we have is:

Chippy stops as soon as he identifies the problem and reports to site manager
Site manager contacts technical and they jointly check against drawings
Solution is prepared and reported to contracts manager
Solution is costed by QS and programme impact assessed
Solution is passed to construction director and commercial director for sign off and sales director for dialogue with customer
If cost > £25k, Commercial Director will pass to Ops Director for approval to do the work
If cost > £100k Ops Director passes to me for approval
If its >£500k I prepare for a difficult conversation with my CEO

But the key bit is the check and the solution. If the unit has been set out incorrectly and is smaller than the contractual allowable margin then a negotiation must take place with the buyer. If as above the solution is a new door set or mods to the stairs, the principles have to be agreed with the buyer and Technical have to sign off the changes.

This sort of error is rare, and I would dispute that the trades "don't give a fk" when they are employed to do a specific job, most are ok but sometimes you get a bad apple. Its much harder to get trades that care now we have lost a lot of the eastern European ones

[Elysium]

Zarco said:

Elysium said:

98elise said:

Richard-390a0 said:

skeeterm5 said:

What I can’t understand is that who ever did that walked away thinking that they had done an ok job. Surely they must have thought something wasn’t right?

No f*cks given / not my job mate attitude isn't it.

How do you think a carpenter or joiner could fix what looks like a fundamental design or build issue?

They are literally paid to do a specific job.

They could have installed a taller newel post to avoid the ugly horizontal cut through the architrave.

Its likely two separate subcontractors doing the stairs and the architraves

Yes. I think the Architrave was probably added last.

The builder needs to figure out the best solution. I think there is quite a simple visual fix that a joiner can do but it's difficult to know without seeing it first hand.

[b0rk]

Promised Land said:

It’s rare to have internal block walls in new builds, some have them usually larger or 3 storey plots so chances are it’s stud or tin wall, if either of those it’s simple to alter if other walls can be adjusted as well. It could well be a drawing problem as they occur more often than you’d think.

It’s been a quite while since I last did volume commercial individual housing. Are the plots now small enough for the joists to span across the plot from external/partywall to external/partywall?
Used to always have wall down the middle(ish) at ground in block and have the stairs to one side of it. 1st floor would be timber/metal stud everywhere.

The drawings only being for the typical house type would be a problem. So variants / opposite hand types where a little more freestyle for the trades. Never understood why they never spent the money to get proper drawings done of all types and variants. Makes life so much easier and enables blame to be appropriately apportioned.

[Toaster Pilot]

Had a meeting with the site manager today. Not impressed at all. Would almost certainly be pulling out if I could based on that alone, slopey shouldered .

Apparently the staircase is bigger than the one in the show home but it is to plan - so they’ve built it as per the plans. Waiting now on their technical team to advise how to proceed.

[Zarco]

Elysium said:

Zarco said:

Elysium said:

98elise said:

Richard-390a0 said:

skeeterm5 said:

What I can’t understand is that who ever did that walked away thinking that they had done an ok job. Surely they must have thought something wasn’t right?

No f*cks given / not my job mate attitude isn't it.

How do you think a carpenter or joiner could fix what looks like a fundamental design or build issue?

They are literally paid to do a specific job.

They could have installed a taller newel post to avoid the ugly horizontal cut through the architrave.

Its likely two separate subcontractors doing the stairs and the architraves

Yes. I think the Architrave was probably added last.

The builder needs to figure out the best solution. I think there is quite a simple visual fix that a joiner can do but it's difficult to know without seeing it first hand.

Not the point I was trying to make, but whatever.

[Mr Whippy]

Sorry to hear it.

I had some interesting conversations about trades/quality with the chap who came to mine for snags/fixes on behalf of the builder.

You genuinely won’t get anywhere with stuff like this.

I have a bedroom door frame that’s about 20mm out at the top vs bottom.
Warped frame wood, twisted and bent. Door won’t latch, hinges packed and all over the shop to try make it good. But it’s not.

They just couldn’t accept it’d need removing and re-doing, and with it the stud and thus plaster board and plastering, because of all the rest was set to this wonky door frame.

Even in the final exchange they wanted to just have s single joiner turn up to try ‘fix it’
I said, again, a joiner can’t make it good. I’d already had a joiner out at MY expense, and it needed re-doing.


In the end I said if it’s beyond:
Silicone sealer
Squirty foam
Filler and paint
Mortar

Then they’re not interested.


They’re all utter tossers.

I think personal responsibility isn’t a high expectation, but in house building it seems to be a rare exception.

No house handed over should have a single snag, they should be doing them themselves but their mantra is, if you don’t spot it, then they don’t care!

[Elysium]

Mr Whippy said:

No house handed over should have a single snag, they should be doing them themselves but their mantra is, if you don’t spot it, then they don’t care!

You have obviously been dealing with an annoying situation, so this view is understandable, but not realistic.

I guarantee that if you asked 10 people to snag a house they would come up with 10 different lists.

It is very much in the eye of the beholder. Lots of people have pet peeves that they pick up every time and that most people simply would not be bothered about.

[blueg33]

Elysium said:

Mr Whippy said:

No house handed over should have a single snag, they should be doing them themselves but their mantra is, if you don’t spot it, then they don’t care!

You have obviously been dealing with an annoying situation, so this view is understandable, but not realistic.

I guarantee that if you asked 10 people to snag a house they would come up with 10 different lists.

It is very much in the eye of the beholder. Lots of people have pet peeves that they pick up every time and that most people simply would not be bothered about.

Spot on

[Promised Land]

b0rk said:

It’s been a quite while since I last did volume commercial individual housing. Are the plots now small enough for the joists to span across the plot from external/partywall to external/partywall?
Used to always have wall down the middle(ish) at ground in block and have the stairs to one side of it. 1st floor would be timber/metal stud everywhere.

TJI joists do span ext wall to ext wall, they can make them as long as they can transport to site. It varies builder to builder but most ground floors are just CLS stud work.

[Toaster Pilot]

Promised Land said:

TGI joists do span ext wall to ext wall, they can make them as long as they can transport to site. It varies builder to builder but most ground floors are just CLS stud work.

The lounge walls are block. Might be because of the size like you said.

[Chainedtomato]

Toaster Pilot said:

Promised Land said:

TGI joists do span ext wall to ext wall, they can make them as long as they can transport to site. It varies builder to builder but most ground floors are just CLS stud work.

The lounge walls are block. Might be because of the size like you said.

Mines like this (mid terraced townhouse) i joists on hangers into blocks spanning the width with all internal walls those crappy metal studs

[Jeremy-75qq8]

At what point with errors does the op have a right to reject ?

If a car is mended multiple times you can. I appreciate it has not been handed over and is work in progress but some of the errors here ( found by the op ) are pretty piss poor

[Elysium]

Toaster Pilot said:

Had a meeting with the site manager today. Not impressed at all. Would almost certainly be pulling out if I could based on that alone, slopey shouldered .

Apparently the staircase is bigger than the one in the show home but it is to plan - so they’ve built it as per the plans. Waiting now on their technical team to advise how to proceed.

Apologies for the rubbish iPad mock up, but another poster suggested increasing the height of the newel post as a possible solution.

I think this will sort it out very simply. Hope this helps.

[_-XXXX-_]

Elysium said:

Apologies for the rubbish iPad mock up, but another poster suggested increasing the height of the newel post as a possible solution.

I think this will sort it out very simply. Hope this helps.

I'd still be measuring the stairs vs the show house to confirm what they are saying is true.

[Toaster Pilot]

Jeremy-75qq8 said:

At what point with errors does the op have a right to reject ?

If a car is mended multiple times you can. I appreciate it has not been handed over and is work in progress but some of the errors here ( found by the op ) are pretty piss poor

You have significantly more rights when buying a car (or a fking toaster from Currys)

[Leptons]

It could be worse, they built my mates house in the wrong place. The first time I went round I noticed how short the driveway was, his cars were overhanging the pavement (X1 and a Focus so not the longest cars in the world).

Turns out they’ve built it 2 metres too close to the road