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We get to pick up our Staffy in 3 weeks time and just looking into all the options around food, and to be honest am quite drawn to the raw food diet for him. Does anyone else feed their dogs raw food and does anyone have any experience of the pre-packed raw food such as this: https://www.naturesmenu.co.uk/puppy-nuggets
Firstly find out what the breeder is feeding. Pup should initially be on the same diet then once settled in to your home you can look at changing (unless breeder is feeding a really bad diet!)
The pre packed ranges are definitely the safest option when new to it and especially for a fast growing puppy to ensure you get the balance of vits/mins, energy etc right. Once you become more confident and knowledgeable and once pups growth rate steadies home prepped raw becomes easier.
Jasandjules are raw food feeders and have been for years I know they can point you to trustworthy fb pages for more info.
I would say it is not risk free. There will be lots of praise for raw out there which is fine but please be aware of potential issues with it aswell. E.G. All raw should be frozen first then defrosted when needed (some nasty parasites can cause severe illness if not frozen first) constipation can occur, if not balanced (Inc over supplementing) deformities/Illness can occur.
Most dogs do well on raw if done well but not all of them (just worth bearing in mind).
How exciting, good to see you are planning ahead. Pup has landed on its feet I think!
The pre packed ranges are definitely the safest option when new to it and especially for a fast growing puppy to ensure you get the balance of vits/mins, energy etc right. Once you become more confident and knowledgeable and once pups growth rate steadies home prepped raw becomes easier.
Jasandjules are raw food feeders and have been for years I know they can point you to trustworthy fb pages for more info.
I would say it is not risk free. There will be lots of praise for raw out there which is fine but please be aware of potential issues with it aswell. E.G. All raw should be frozen first then defrosted when needed (some nasty parasites can cause severe illness if not frozen first) constipation can occur, if not balanced (Inc over supplementing) deformities/Illness can occur.
Most dogs do well on raw if done well but not all of them (just worth bearing in mind).
How exciting, good to see you are planning ahead. Pup has landed on its feet I think!
Our pup is on raw food as that's what the breeder fed him.
He's growing like a weed so it's obviously not short on nutrition - breeder also advised us to chuck him a raw chicken wing as a treat every so often - he devours these like nothing else.
It also seems to make turds decidedly less horrific to deal with in the event of house training accidents..
He's growing like a weed so it's obviously not short on nutrition - breeder also advised us to chuck him a raw chicken wing as a treat every so often - he devours these like nothing else.
It also seems to make turds decidedly less horrific to deal with in the event of house training accidents..
Just being fed pedigree so will give a week before starting to move him over. Our cats really like the natures menu so this seems a good route for me.
Will also use dentastix and other chewy stuff for his teeth, but also gonna get him used to brushing etc from the off.
So looking forward to getting the little bugger home in 3 weeks.
Will also use dentastix and other chewy stuff for his teeth, but also gonna get him used to brushing etc from the off.
So looking forward to getting the little bugger home in 3 weeks.
HappyMidget said:
Just being fed pedigree so will give a week before starting to move him over. Our cats really like the natures menu so this seems a good route for me.
Will also use dentastix and other chewy stuff for his teeth, but also gonna get him used to brushing etc from the off.
So looking forward to getting the little bugger home in 3 weeks.
The raw chicken wings will help his teeth. Probably better than dentastix if you are choosing the raw route.. Will also use dentastix and other chewy stuff for his teeth, but also gonna get him used to brushing etc from the off.
So looking forward to getting the little bugger home in 3 weeks.
Interesting that Mr Gearchange mentions growing like a weed, they say they should grow more slowly but steadily on raw
My Great Dane and GSD are fed on mainly raw food plus scraps and leftovers. Typical food for the Dane is just over 3kg of stuff made up of chicken carcasses, chicken wings, duck wings, raw beef chunks, tripe chunks, chicken chunks and whatever else is on the go from the kitchen. We buy it all in bulk and have 2 chest freezers filled with their food. Like all my previous dogs on a similar diet, they are both healthy and happy with their food.
When they go into kennels they quickly settle into whatever the kennel feeds them. Raw food dog poo's are also really compact and dry.
When they go into kennels they quickly settle into whatever the kennel feeds them. Raw food dog poo's are also really compact and dry.
We had some dire digestive issues on and off when we fed dry kibble to our puppy, highly rated cold pressed variety, which I'd hoped he would have no issues with. Moved to a frozen pre prepared raw diet, and he has had no re occurrence since, putting weight on and growing well, droppings are small and compact, really wished I had taken this route earlier, we recently moved to another variety which is less mushy, as Schnauzer beards get very messy, and he has a chunk of carrot or cucumber after his meal to help clean his teeth.
Sorry for the long winded post, after swapping to RAW I am very passionate about it as the benefits for my pup were incredible.
We switched from kibble (Millies Wolf Heart) to RAW about 6 months ago for our 2 year old (ish) Staffy. Dry dog food just didn't agree with him, no matter what we tried. Turned his skin sensitive and pink, he constantly licked, moulted fur all the time, poo's were random/gross and he generally didn't enjoy eating. After lots and lots of research everything pointed to RAW.
Since switching no more sensitive skin, he's calmed down in himself, skin and coat is very healthy and he's ripped! Poo's are firm and nice to pick up and he's breath doesn't smell at all. He LOVES his food now.
Natures Menu is great, but when I looked into it it turned out to be convenient but not really cost effective as we needed a good 700g+ of food a day which is a good bag and a half. You're meant to feed 2-3% of bodyweight a day (we are more like 4-5%).
Instead we now buy from a local specialist (In Sheffield, there are 3-4 really good raw pet food suppliers so I recommend you check local area) and the stuff we ended up on was from DAF Animal feeds (http://www.daf-petfood.co.uk/). Works out £9.50 for 15 pre-frozen unmarked bags of minced food (80% Meat, 10% Bone, 10% Offal). They do marked bags (showing what it is and what's in it) or plastic tubs - But both are more expensive and worked out pointless for the extra expense as it's identical stuff. I've tried Bulmer dog food - http://www.bulmerdogfood.co.uk/, nothing wrong with it but preferred DAF as it has a clear ingredient list.
We then add what we ended up calling Smush Smush (don't ask). Essentially a fresh blend of doggy friendly veg, fruit, botanicals and spices. Broccoli, spinach kale, cauliflower, carrot, greens, green beans, peas, apple, banana, blueberries, celery, rosemary, coriander, parsley, turmeric, cayenne pepper, olive oil, coconut oil, chia seeds, fennel seeds... The list goes on. Basically we blend whatever we have of the above in a small food processor - Enough for a few days (so it's always fresh and each mix is slightly different for a balanced diet - But you can freeze) and add a tablespoon or two to each meal (we split a bag of mince morning and evening). Basically just Google "can dogs eat ......" and you'll get your answer if it's healthy or not for dogs.
We sometimes add raw egg and ground egg shells to his meal and the odd bit of cheese or yogurt (cottage cheese is great).
Once a week or fortnight he gets a large meaty treat such as chicken carcasses, lamb neck, turkey neck etc - All can be picked up from local butchers, RAW specialists or pet shops (natures menu - but once again expensive for what it is). It's a challenge for him to eat so he really enjoys it, has to chomp through it so great for hsi teeth and gums. Chicken feet are a regular treat as they are cheap for a huge bag, defrost very quickly, small enough as a treat and he loves the crunch!
Warnings and advice:
- Meat must be frozen for at least 2 weeks and when defrosted, eaten within 12-48 hours (at the very most - I aim for within 24 hours). Specialist pre-frozen meat should be ok to eat straight away. I always thoroughly defrost food, but I know some don't.
- Avoid Grains and Wheat entirely - These lower the acidic level of a dogs stomach meaning food takes longer to digest (raw food sat in the stomach will cause illness).
- Always clean up - hygiene is key. Once he's eaten, remove and clean his bowl so bacteria can't flourish, same for sides, floors etc. Just common sense, you wouldn't chop raw meat then veg on the same chopping board when cooking for yourself (Obvious, I know).
Over Xmas my sister looked after my dog, she didn't follow basic instructions and the dog became VERY ill within 24 hours which resulted in a £900 vet bill which could have entirely been avoided. Long story short she gave him an unknown source of 'frozen' minced meat from her friends farm, fed him un-thawed chicken thighs, didn't clean up his bowls at all and then gave him out of date raw (unfrozen) sausages which had been in the fridge for weeks - On top of all that she fed him about 4x his usual allowance thinking she was being kind. He ended up with gastroenteritis (pretty much severe food poisoning). Within days he was back to normal - This it the only time's he's been ill on this diet. Needless to say shes never being left alone with him again.
HTH.
We switched from kibble (Millies Wolf Heart) to RAW about 6 months ago for our 2 year old (ish) Staffy. Dry dog food just didn't agree with him, no matter what we tried. Turned his skin sensitive and pink, he constantly licked, moulted fur all the time, poo's were random/gross and he generally didn't enjoy eating. After lots and lots of research everything pointed to RAW.
Since switching no more sensitive skin, he's calmed down in himself, skin and coat is very healthy and he's ripped! Poo's are firm and nice to pick up and he's breath doesn't smell at all. He LOVES his food now.
Natures Menu is great, but when I looked into it it turned out to be convenient but not really cost effective as we needed a good 700g+ of food a day which is a good bag and a half. You're meant to feed 2-3% of bodyweight a day (we are more like 4-5%).
Instead we now buy from a local specialist (In Sheffield, there are 3-4 really good raw pet food suppliers so I recommend you check local area) and the stuff we ended up on was from DAF Animal feeds (http://www.daf-petfood.co.uk/). Works out £9.50 for 15 pre-frozen unmarked bags of minced food (80% Meat, 10% Bone, 10% Offal). They do marked bags (showing what it is and what's in it) or plastic tubs - But both are more expensive and worked out pointless for the extra expense as it's identical stuff. I've tried Bulmer dog food - http://www.bulmerdogfood.co.uk/, nothing wrong with it but preferred DAF as it has a clear ingredient list.
We then add what we ended up calling Smush Smush (don't ask). Essentially a fresh blend of doggy friendly veg, fruit, botanicals and spices. Broccoli, spinach kale, cauliflower, carrot, greens, green beans, peas, apple, banana, blueberries, celery, rosemary, coriander, parsley, turmeric, cayenne pepper, olive oil, coconut oil, chia seeds, fennel seeds... The list goes on. Basically we blend whatever we have of the above in a small food processor - Enough for a few days (so it's always fresh and each mix is slightly different for a balanced diet - But you can freeze) and add a tablespoon or two to each meal (we split a bag of mince morning and evening). Basically just Google "can dogs eat ......" and you'll get your answer if it's healthy or not for dogs.
We sometimes add raw egg and ground egg shells to his meal and the odd bit of cheese or yogurt (cottage cheese is great).
Once a week or fortnight he gets a large meaty treat such as chicken carcasses, lamb neck, turkey neck etc - All can be picked up from local butchers, RAW specialists or pet shops (natures menu - but once again expensive for what it is). It's a challenge for him to eat so he really enjoys it, has to chomp through it so great for hsi teeth and gums. Chicken feet are a regular treat as they are cheap for a huge bag, defrost very quickly, small enough as a treat and he loves the crunch!
Warnings and advice:
- Meat must be frozen for at least 2 weeks and when defrosted, eaten within 12-48 hours (at the very most - I aim for within 24 hours). Specialist pre-frozen meat should be ok to eat straight away. I always thoroughly defrost food, but I know some don't.
- Avoid Grains and Wheat entirely - These lower the acidic level of a dogs stomach meaning food takes longer to digest (raw food sat in the stomach will cause illness).
- Always clean up - hygiene is key. Once he's eaten, remove and clean his bowl so bacteria can't flourish, same for sides, floors etc. Just common sense, you wouldn't chop raw meat then veg on the same chopping board when cooking for yourself (Obvious, I know).
Over Xmas my sister looked after my dog, she didn't follow basic instructions and the dog became VERY ill within 24 hours which resulted in a £900 vet bill which could have entirely been avoided. Long story short she gave him an unknown source of 'frozen' minced meat from her friends farm, fed him un-thawed chicken thighs, didn't clean up his bowls at all and then gave him out of date raw (unfrozen) sausages which had been in the fridge for weeks - On top of all that she fed him about 4x his usual allowance thinking she was being kind. He ended up with gastroenteritis (pretty much severe food poisoning). Within days he was back to normal - This it the only time's he's been ill on this diet. Needless to say shes never being left alone with him again.
HTH.
Edited by EnthusiastOwned on Saturday 4th March 11:24
Edited by EnthusiastOwned on Saturday 4th March 11:25
I personally don't like raw food diets. I try to steer clients away from it. It's been proven that there are higher numbers of salmonella and MRSA in raw diets plus a lot if the benefits are subjective. Further to this I have treated a good few pups that have been raw food fed with horrendous haemorrhagic gastroenteritis. Whether this is a coincidence is another thing. The last thing is feeding raw bones to a dog, especially chicken bones. It scares the poop out of me. I know people will say that as they are raw it will be fine as they won't fragment but it still doesn't mean they can't be choking hazards.
Overall a complete diet is the way to go, that way your dog will get all the macro/micro molecules they need and the correct calories. Everyone who feeds a raw diet seems to have their head in the sand to why there may be fewer benefits than they think.
To the person with the staffie that now feeds raw, it likely has some sort of cereal intolerance, you can test for these by a blood test. You could then go back to a complete dry diet. But if it suits him it suits him.
Overall a complete diet is the way to go, that way your dog will get all the macro/micro molecules they need and the correct calories. Everyone who feeds a raw diet seems to have their head in the sand to why there may be fewer benefits than they think.
To the person with the staffie that now feeds raw, it likely has some sort of cereal intolerance, you can test for these by a blood test. You could then go back to a complete dry diet. But if it suits him it suits him.
Mr Tom said:
I personally don't like raw food diets. I try to steer clients away from it. It's been proven that there are higher numbers of salmonella and MRSA in raw diets plus a lot if the benefits are subjective. Further to this I have treated a good few pups that have been raw food fed with horrendous haemorrhagic gastroenteritis. Whether this is a coincidence is another thing. The last thing is feeding raw bones to a dog, especially chicken bones. It scares the poop out of me. I know people will say that as they are raw it will be fine as they won't fragment but it still doesn't mean they can't be choking hazards.
Overall a complete diet is the way to go, that way your dog will get all the macro/micro molecules they need and the correct calories. Everyone who feeds a raw diet seems to have their head in the sand to why there may be fewer benefits than they think.
To the person with the staffie that now feeds raw, it likely has some sort of cereal intolerance, you can test for these by a blood test. You could then go back to a complete dry diet. But if it suits him it suits him.
I think this highlights that every dog is an individual and not one source of food or diet is best. RAW diet may suit one dog, but not another; same for kibble etc. Overall a complete diet is the way to go, that way your dog will get all the macro/micro molecules they need and the correct calories. Everyone who feeds a raw diet seems to have their head in the sand to why there may be fewer benefits than they think.
To the person with the staffie that now feeds raw, it likely has some sort of cereal intolerance, you can test for these by a blood test. You could then go back to a complete dry diet. But if it suits him it suits him.
Mine definitely had an intolerance - We think it was Salmon of all things as when we switched the that as the main protein source of the kibble it went away very quickly. But then it did come back randomly from time to time. The Vet tried all sorts and we got to the stage of blood tests, and strict diets etc - All which were eliminating tests and £££££.. I'm confident it was the kibble so tried RAW for what it was worth and all symptoms vanished VERY quickly.
The main issue with professionals/vets not advocating RAW is because it's so uncontrolled causing symptoms such as the "horrendous haemorrhagic gastroenteritis" mentioned above (which indecently is what my Sister gave mine). Also I have read a few reports of an unbalanced RAW diet causing malnutrition. It's why I recommend various protein sources and the smush smush for essential minerals and vitamins!
I'm just an advocate because I've seen the benefits first hand. As I say, each dog is different. I just don't see how processed food, the same day in day out can be any good for any animal. I'm sure if I ate the same ready meal (albeit the healthiest variety) I'd start to feel ill and become intolerant eventually.
I say give it a go, be mindful of the risks and if it doesn't work, try something else.
EnthusiastOwned said:
Mr Tom said:
I personally don't like raw food diets. I try to steer clients away from it. It's been proven that there are higher numbers of salmonella and MRSA in raw diets plus a lot if the benefits are subjective. Further to this I have treated a good few pups that have been raw food fed with horrendous haemorrhagic gastroenteritis. Whether this is a coincidence is another thing. The last thing is feeding raw bones to a dog, especially chicken bones. It scares the poop out of me. I know people will say that as they are raw it will be fine as they won't fragment but it still doesn't mean they can't be choking hazards.
Overall a complete diet is the way to go, that way your dog will get all the macro/micro molecules they need and the correct calories. Everyone who feeds a raw diet seems to have their head in the sand to why there may be fewer benefits than they think.
To the person with the staffie that now feeds raw, it likely has some sort of cereal intolerance, you can test for these by a blood test. You could then go back to a complete dry diet. But if it suits him it suits him.
I think this highlights that every dog is an individual and not one source of food or diet is best. RAW diet may suit one dog, but not another; same for kibble etc. Overall a complete diet is the way to go, that way your dog will get all the macro/micro molecules they need and the correct calories. Everyone who feeds a raw diet seems to have their head in the sand to why there may be fewer benefits than they think.
To the person with the staffie that now feeds raw, it likely has some sort of cereal intolerance, you can test for these by a blood test. You could then go back to a complete dry diet. But if it suits him it suits him.
Mine definitely had an intolerance - We think it was Salmon of all things as when we switched the that as the main protein source of the kibble it went away very quickly. But then it did come back randomly from time to time. The Vet tried all sorts and we got to the stage of blood tests, and strict diets etc - All which were eliminating tests and £££££.. I'm confident it was the kibble so tried RAW for what it was worth and all symptoms vanished VERY quickly.
The main issue with professionals/vets not advocating RAW is because it's so uncontrolled causing symptoms such as the "horrendous haemorrhagic gastroenteritis" mentioned above (which indecently is what my Sister gave mine). Also I have read a few reports of an unbalanced RAW diet causing malnutrition. It's why I recommend various protein sources and the smush smush for essential minerals and vitamins!
I'm just an advocate because I've seen the benefits first hand. As I say, each dog is different. I just don't see how processed food, the same day in day out can be any good for any animal. I'm sure if I ate the same ready meal (albeit the healthiest variety) I'd start to feel ill and become intolerant eventually.
I say give it a go, be mindful of the risks and if it doesn't work, try something else.
If you do go down the route of a raw diet make sure you have got all the nutrients required, be sensible on what you give to a pup e.g. Bones to choke on and always be open to switching back to a complete biscuit diet. There are lots of ill advised people who think a raw diet is giving a puppy a lambs heart a day etc. Don't be that person!
EnthusiastOwned said:
I think this highlights that every dog is an individual and not one source of food or diet is best. RAW diet may suit one dog, but not another; same for kibble etc.
Yes exactly, every dog is different EnthusiastOwned said:
I'm just an advocate because I've seen the benefits first hand. As I say, each dog is different. I just don't see how processed food, the same day in day out can be any good for any animal. I'm sure if I ate the same ready meal (albeit the healthiest variety) I'd start to feel ill and become intolerant eventually.
I say give it a go, be mindful of the risks and if it doesn't work, try something else.
Variety is the spice of life, no dog should "just" have raw, moist dog food or kibble, they should vary it with other foods.I say give it a go, be mindful of the risks and if it doesn't work, try something else.
My 2 Mini Schnauzers will end up eating a bit of everything, Max is only 12 weeks old but he is on a good quality kibble with some chicken and now veg thrown in, he will go down the same route as Lottie who's breakfast consists of a nice bit of fish to start with, she also enjoys some chicken, loves cabbage, has kibble or a mixture of scraps (normally beef or lamb) and any other veg she can get her paws on. She also enjoys the occasional good quality wet dog food so has a varied diet but not too rich in any one area.
All I have to watch out for is high salt foods which can cause problems in Schnauzers, otherwise healthy as anything
Both of mine are fed RAW. The spaniel was fed raw from the get go, she was 12 weeks old when we started her on it. Her growth was slower than her siblings though, some of which are in the village but now she is about the same size.
We started her off on just chicken wings and chicken meat with a bit of kidney chucked in. Over a period of time we introduced other stuff, like Lamb, beef, liver, heart, natural yoghurt and some vegetables, she doesn't always eat her veg. We don't feed them pork though. They also get tinned sardines/oily fish on a Friday. She gets about 3/5% of her ideal weight (10 - 12kg for a spaniel) and that was from the start as well. So about 300g of food per day. Always work on the ratio of 80/10/10 (Meat, bone, offal).
We get meat form the supermarket or the butcher. Have used RAW food suppliers a few times, there is plenty out there and they can be pretty cheap but it's not human grade meat you are getting and some of it takes a bit of guessing of which part of the animal it is.
Try to feed some green tripe as well, the dogs love it but the smell is terrible. Don't feed it to them if you are hungover though
We started her off on just chicken wings and chicken meat with a bit of kidney chucked in. Over a period of time we introduced other stuff, like Lamb, beef, liver, heart, natural yoghurt and some vegetables, she doesn't always eat her veg. We don't feed them pork though. They also get tinned sardines/oily fish on a Friday. She gets about 3/5% of her ideal weight (10 - 12kg for a spaniel) and that was from the start as well. So about 300g of food per day. Always work on the ratio of 80/10/10 (Meat, bone, offal).
We get meat form the supermarket or the butcher. Have used RAW food suppliers a few times, there is plenty out there and they can be pretty cheap but it's not human grade meat you are getting and some of it takes a bit of guessing of which part of the animal it is.
Try to feed some green tripe as well, the dogs love it but the smell is terrible. Don't feed it to them if you are hungover though
HappyMidget said:
.....does anyone have any experience of the pre-packed raw food such as this: https://www.naturesmenu.co.uk/puppy-nuggets
Yes, it all gets horrifically expensive!We fed our two Dobermanns on Natures Menu stuff and while they liked it and it's convenient as you can get food with fruit / veg added, we found that it's not cost effective.
What we've paid for a weeks worth of 'branded' raw feeds from the well known outlets, feeds our dogs for a month from a specialist supplier. We get frozen raw feed from http://www.davidsdoggiedinners.co.uk/ and pay around £90 - £110 a month to feed both dogs including a few treats like pigs ears etc.
Most of what we buy is in frozen tubes of minced meat so is convenient for stacking in the freezer and just add some veg to it. We do also feed them carcasses, venison necks and all sorts and they love it. Minced food is fine as they eat it from the bowl, but anything that can be picked up or won't stay in a bowl is given to them in the garden.
We've fed our male a couple of times on kibble and each and every time his behavior goes out the window and turns in to a stroppy sod.
As others have said, all dogs are different and have different needs, it may not be right for all dogs. You need to be careful with high fat content foods if you have a dog with pancreas issues.
We feed ours the Natures Menu stuff and TBH it costs the same as when they had kibble and tinned food. They enjoy it with the main difference being their stomachs don't gurgle away and their poos are no longer bright orange liquid. I wouldn't want mine to be like that never mind theirs.
On top of it they get any dog friendly leftovers we have and we cook extra veg for them. As a treat they get chicken thighs but too many bones tend to give them harder poos. When we lived in Devon our butcher once gave me a bag of 21 carcasses for free. That's when we bought an extra freezer.
On top of it they get any dog friendly leftovers we have and we cook extra veg for them. As a treat they get chicken thighs but too many bones tend to give them harder poos. When we lived in Devon our butcher once gave me a bag of 21 carcasses for free. That's when we bought an extra freezer.
Another one on raw here - started Monty on it from about 12 weeks old.
You'll need to try the different ones to find out which works best for you and the dog, both taste and cost wise. We've tried natures menu, natural instinct, the daf minces mentioned earlier as well as putting our own together from the butchers.
We've gone back to natural instinct as Monty prefers it, it isn't the cheapest (daf probably is but he didn't get on with it). I worked it out recently and we spend about £70 a month feeding him.
You'll need to figure some things out in terms of practicalities - for instance, if you go away and take him with you, can you take and keep food frozen.
Overall though - it keeps him, his coat, his teeth and his temperament in fine form (we gave him a hoof stuffed with god knows what from the pet store once and he went mental for about 2 hours, it was like giving a kid 5 bags of haribos!!)
You'll need to try the different ones to find out which works best for you and the dog, both taste and cost wise. We've tried natures menu, natural instinct, the daf minces mentioned earlier as well as putting our own together from the butchers.
We've gone back to natural instinct as Monty prefers it, it isn't the cheapest (daf probably is but he didn't get on with it). I worked it out recently and we spend about £70 a month feeding him.
You'll need to figure some things out in terms of practicalities - for instance, if you go away and take him with you, can you take and keep food frozen.
Overall though - it keeps him, his coat, his teeth and his temperament in fine form (we gave him a hoof stuffed with god knows what from the pet store once and he went mental for about 2 hours, it was like giving a kid 5 bags of haribos!!)
Interesting scenario last night.
I did a puppy party. 4 puppies different breeds, 3 on kibble 1 on raw.
Guess which one had loose stool. horrendous wind, dry coat and was overweight. She asked for advice for raw. Turns out she was doing it herself by buying chicken and offal from a butchers but had not actually researched what a puppies needs compared to an adult (even though she had been on a forum, who sadly advised her this was ok) Apparently he was even worse on pre prepared puppy raw food. Anyway I gave her the details of a canine rehab centre that does raw feeding and suggested she speak to them for advice and support.
Even more interesting the other 3 pups were great, no probs with stools, wind or general condition.
Can you see why this makes it so hard for me!! I am not going to sit in front of these owners that raw is best when the example in front of them quite clearly didn't show that (and I am not anti raw, I will try and support owners who want to do it)
I did a puppy party. 4 puppies different breeds, 3 on kibble 1 on raw.
Guess which one had loose stool. horrendous wind, dry coat and was overweight. She asked for advice for raw. Turns out she was doing it herself by buying chicken and offal from a butchers but had not actually researched what a puppies needs compared to an adult (even though she had been on a forum, who sadly advised her this was ok) Apparently he was even worse on pre prepared puppy raw food. Anyway I gave her the details of a canine rehab centre that does raw feeding and suggested she speak to them for advice and support.
Even more interesting the other 3 pups were great, no probs with stools, wind or general condition.
Can you see why this makes it so hard for me!! I am not going to sit in front of these owners that raw is best when the example in front of them quite clearly didn't show that (and I am not anti raw, I will try and support owners who want to do it)
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