2017 Election Result - a PH poll
Poll: 2017 Election Result - a PH poll
Total Members Polled: 395
Discussion
Bit of an experiment to see if we can tease out some motives - traditional and tactical.
Obviously can't capture every motive, but chucked in a few or the more obvious ones, as well as what is intended to be a simple "I will vote/support Tory/Lab/LD" etc.
Post further reasons if you want, or not to stay anon.
Me - Lib Dem - hoping for enough seats to force a coalition that forces a decision on whether the outcome of brexit (once defined under best possible negotiation) is really an idea that still carries 52% support. I don't think Farron is PM material and LDs are a bit lightweight at the moment. A coalition is a really long shot, but I think we have to try. As many seats as 2007/2010 possible (62/57)?
Obviously can't capture every motive, but chucked in a few or the more obvious ones, as well as what is intended to be a simple "I will vote/support Tory/Lab/LD" etc.
Post further reasons if you want, or not to stay anon.
Me - Lib Dem - hoping for enough seats to force a coalition that forces a decision on whether the outcome of brexit (once defined under best possible negotiation) is really an idea that still carries 52% support. I don't think Farron is PM material and LDs are a bit lightweight at the moment. A coalition is a really long shot, but I think we have to try. As many seats as 2007/2010 possible (62/57)?
FN2TypeR said:
Tory, for the first time.
I live in Scotland, so it's almost certainly a waste due to our beloved FPTP system however.
Is that due to brexit or because they are the only team that look vaguely capable of running the country? Brexit aside, I have sympathy with the latter view. I live in Scotland, so it's almost certainly a waste due to our beloved FPTP system however.
///ajd said:
FN2TypeR said:
Tory, for the first time.
I live in Scotland, so it's almost certainly a waste due to our beloved FPTP system however.
Is that due to brexit or because they are the only team that look vaguely capable of running the country? Brexit aside, I have sympathy with the latter view. I live in Scotland, so it's almost certainly a waste due to our beloved FPTP system however.
I can't say for a certainty that I would for them again in the future, I don't think that they are much cop at the moment tbh, sad to say that the Government doesn't exactly fill me with confidence, which doesn't bode well for negotiations or the next five years in terms of domestic policy - but we are where we are and I think that they are the best available party to lead us forward.
I also believe that we will be leaving the EU without a trade agreement or single market membership in place, but I guess that's an opinion for another thread.
I'm constantly amazed at the people rooting for a hard brexit regardless of consequence.
Do you not realise quite how f
ked we'd be economically if we couldn't trade with 27 of our biggest partners for just a year?
Perhaps you're all too young to remember the 3 day week.
This country is populated by morons.
Do you not realise quite how f
ked we'd be economically if we couldn't trade with 27 of our biggest partners for just a year? Perhaps you're all too young to remember the 3 day week.
This country is populated by morons.
User33678888 said:
I'm constantly amazed at the people rooting for a hard brexit regardless of consequence.
Do you not realise quite how fked we'd be economically if we couldn't trade with 27 of our biggest partners for just a year?
Perhaps you're all too young to remember the 3 day week.
This country is populated by morons.
Consider me convinced.Do you not realise quite how f
ked we'd be economically if we couldn't trade with 27 of our biggest partners for just a year? Perhaps you're all too young to remember the 3 day week.
This country is populated by morons.
///ajd said:
Not sure how accurate it is, but the 2015 seat calculator suggests:
25% LD >> 50+ seats
20% LD >> 30 seats
Clearly the votes are showing the natural right wing bias on PH above, but still interesting, and not looking good for Labour!
PS lets try and keep it polite please.
I think that the Lib Dems will be looking at reasonable gains - nine seats now, perhaps twenty after, their "passage back" will take more than just the one election IMO. Their resurgence is one of the reasons I think that this election isn't going to provide the Tory landslide that people think it's going to. But, I also don't think it's about achieving such a landslide as their MPs are toeing the party like and May has stitched Parliament up good and proper, they need time in power, not more MPs.25% LD >> 50+ seats
20% LD >> 30 seats
Clearly the votes are showing the natural right wing bias on PH above, but still interesting, and not looking good for Labour!
PS lets try and keep it polite please.
User33678888 said:
Do you not realise quite how fked we'd be economically if we couldn't trade with 27 of our biggest partners for just a year?
Given that we've had the joy of paying large sums of money to run a trade deficit with "27 of our biggest partners" for the last 40 years; I'd suggest they probably have more to lose than we do. Sanity will prevail.ked we'd be economically if we couldn't trade with 27 of our biggest partners for just a year? Both myself and my wife will be voting Tory this time ... much as it irks in some ways
I've spent many years in public service and hate what they have done to essential services
My wife is an EU National who normally doesn't vote although she is eligible too
However, she, much like me, really really don't want a coalition of chaos led by Corbyn and Abbott with a side show from Farron and the SNP
We are both of the opinion that Brexit is happening and strong continuity is required at the moment .., Not a terrorisist appeasing wetwipe supported by Tim dim but nice !
As we see it there is no credible alternative
I've spent many years in public service and hate what they have done to essential services
My wife is an EU National who normally doesn't vote although she is eligible too
However, she, much like me, really really don't want a coalition of chaos led by Corbyn and Abbott with a side show from Farron and the SNP
We are both of the opinion that Brexit is happening and strong continuity is required at the moment .., Not a terrorisist appeasing wetwipe supported by Tim dim but nice !
As we see it there is no credible alternative
FN2TypeR said:
///ajd said:
Not sure how accurate it is, but the 2015 seat calculator suggests:
25% LD >> 50+ seats
20% LD >> 30 seats
Clearly the votes are showing the natural right wing bias on PH above, but still interesting, and not looking good for Labour!
PS lets try and keep it polite please.
I think that the Lib Dems will be looking at reasonable gains - nine seats now, perhaps twenty after, their "passage back" will take more than just the one election IMO. Their resurgence is one of the reasons I think that this election isn't going to provide the Tory landslide that people think it's going to. But, I also don't think it's about achieving such a landslide as their MPs are toeing the party like and May has stitched Parliament up good and proper, they need time in power, not more MPs.25% LD >> 50+ seats
20% LD >> 30 seats
Clearly the votes are showing the natural right wing bias on PH above, but still interesting, and not looking good for Labour!
PS lets try and keep it polite please.
I vote almost entirely on what the parties will do for the NHS and Education. I bear no allegiance to any party.
I care not about taxation, or defense, or the policies aimed for the illiterate are retarded, i.e. immigration, religion, benefits etc
So for this time I am split between Labour and Lib Dems.
I would vote Lib Dem, but I fear Time Farron's stance on no coalitions (i.e. with labout) puts me off.
I care not about taxation, or defense, or the policies aimed for the illiterate are retarded, i.e. immigration, religion, benefits etc
So for this time I am split between Labour and Lib Dems.
I would vote Lib Dem, but I fear Time Farron's stance on no coalitions (i.e. with labout) puts me off.
Edited by Efbe on Friday 21st April 20:53
User33678888 said:
I'm constantly amazed at the people rooting for a hard brexit regardless of consequence.
Do you not realise quite how fked we'd be economically if we couldn't trade with 27 of our biggest partners for just a year?
Perhaps you're all too young to remember the 3 day week.
This country is populated by morons.
Why can't we trade? Are you one of the morons?Do you not realise quite how f
ked we'd be economically if we couldn't trade with 27 of our biggest partners for just a year? Perhaps you're all too young to remember the 3 day week.
This country is populated by morons.
///ajd said:
Playing with the seat calculator, it appears that even if the LDs get 50+ or even more seats, Labour will lose so many that a coalition like 2010 seem unlikely.
I've had a look at it too, we're definately heading towards a Tory government IMO, but I doubt it'll be that much bigger than it is now, I could well be wrong of course, but I'd imagine the Tory seat share will be closer to 350 than 400.One thing I'm not that sure on is turnout - lets face it, the last year or so has been pretty full on (for those who are paying attention anyway) so that could lead to voter fatigue, those who want to use this election as a proxy remain/EEA vote seem quite motivated on social media etc however and if they do turn out to vote that could help the Lib Dems.
It's gonna be an interesting one, that's for sure!
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