Dog breeder - Puppy returned - SOGA?
Discussion
LimaDelta said:
Glasgowrob said:
in regards to your refund did you sign a puppy contract with the breeder if so what does it state?
As above, full refund before 72 hours, none after as' puppy could not be re-sold'. Day later it was advertised for sale.Breeder 'Because he said it bit his child a couple of times'.
If the breeder is truthful it's going to make selling the puppy difficult as few will want to take on a dog that has a history of biting & if they aren't truthful & the pup bites again & it comes out in the wash then they could be hung out to dry financially.
Sadly this is all too common with those that think a puppy and a small child are a good mix for reasons already given. It can be, but it needs a lot of attention & training of both pup AND child!
Until our last puppy - a Golden Retriever - learnt that nipping wasn't acceptable I had more than a few marks to show for it. Milk teeth are like needles!
All dogs require perseverance in the early stages. It can be challenging and, if you're not the type to relish a challenge, do the decent thing and buy a goldfish.
The more time and attention you invest in bonding, training and exercise, the better mannered and well adjusted the dog.
A bit like kids really.
Between the forums, books and Youtube theres just no excuse. The info is in abundance.
There are some new owners lacking the necessary desire to learn as they go, to see the signs of boredom, neglect and teething, and to respond accordingly, many of whom have a dog simply for the sake of having a dog, status symbols often.
The novelty soon wears off and the animal mooches around looking for something to occupy himself such as chewing the rug or tipping over the kitchen bin.
Cue the hastily written Gumtree ad seeking a 'Forever Home' for our cute 'little boy' aged 4 months.
These people should be visited by the RSPCA, the dog removed and receive a ban 'until they've grown up a bit'.
I've been training gun dogs for a number of years now and like any responsible dog lover, I think much more needs to be done to discourage the poor decisions to 'get a dog' being made in the first instance.
Its a commitment to your new companion. For life.
The more time and attention you invest in bonding, training and exercise, the better mannered and well adjusted the dog.
A bit like kids really.
Between the forums, books and Youtube theres just no excuse. The info is in abundance.
There are some new owners lacking the necessary desire to learn as they go, to see the signs of boredom, neglect and teething, and to respond accordingly, many of whom have a dog simply for the sake of having a dog, status symbols often.
The novelty soon wears off and the animal mooches around looking for something to occupy himself such as chewing the rug or tipping over the kitchen bin.
Cue the hastily written Gumtree ad seeking a 'Forever Home' for our cute 'little boy' aged 4 months.
These people should be visited by the RSPCA, the dog removed and receive a ban 'until they've grown up a bit'.
I've been training gun dogs for a number of years now and like any responsible dog lover, I think much more needs to be done to discourage the poor decisions to 'get a dog' being made in the first instance.
Its a commitment to your new companion. For life.
Charlie Hoskins said:
All dogs require perseverance in the early stages. It can be challenging and, if you're not the type to relish a challenge, do the decent thing and buy a goldfish.
The more time and attention you invest in bonding, training and exercise, the better mannered and well adjusted the dog.
A bit like kids really.
Between the forums, books and Youtube theres just no excuse. The info is in abundance.
There are some new owners lacking the necessary desire to learn as they go, to see the signs of boredom, neglect and teething, and to respond accordingly, many of whom have a dog simply for the sake of having a dog, status symbols often.
The novelty soon wears off and the animal mooches around looking for something to occupy himself such as chewing the rug or tipping over the kitchen bin.
Cue the hastily written Gumtree ad seeking a 'Forever Home' for our cute 'little boy' aged 4 months.
These people should be visited by the RSPCA, the dog removed and receive a ban 'until they've grown up a bit'.
I've been training gun dogs for a number of years now and like any responsible dog lover, I think much more needs to be done to discourage the poor decisions to 'get a dog' being made in the first instance.
Its a commitment to your new companion. For life.
I'm on a few spaniel forums, nearly all the posts on the general forums are by stay at home Mums wondering why their 'adorable fur baby' has started biting or some such. many of the posts are 'my pup pulls on the lead, what can i buy to stop it' or 'my dog hates the car, what pills can I buy to sort it out'. rarely domthey have the dogs best interests at heart, purely selfish as the dogs are cute & cuddly FFS. The more time and attention you invest in bonding, training and exercise, the better mannered and well adjusted the dog.
A bit like kids really.
Between the forums, books and Youtube theres just no excuse. The info is in abundance.
There are some new owners lacking the necessary desire to learn as they go, to see the signs of boredom, neglect and teething, and to respond accordingly, many of whom have a dog simply for the sake of having a dog, status symbols often.
The novelty soon wears off and the animal mooches around looking for something to occupy himself such as chewing the rug or tipping over the kitchen bin.
Cue the hastily written Gumtree ad seeking a 'Forever Home' for our cute 'little boy' aged 4 months.
These people should be visited by the RSPCA, the dog removed and receive a ban 'until they've grown up a bit'.
I've been training gun dogs for a number of years now and like any responsible dog lover, I think much more needs to be done to discourage the poor decisions to 'get a dog' being made in the first instance.
Its a commitment to your new companion. For life.
Almost every post on the gun dog forum is interesting & often useful so that's the only one I bother with now.
Edited by LordHaveMurci on Thursday 22 June 09:18
LordHaveMurci said:
Charlie Hoskins said:
All dogs require perseverance in the early stages. It can be challenging and, if you're not the type to relish a challenge, do the decent thing and buy a goldfish.
The more time and attention you invest in bonding, training and exercise, the better mannered and well adjusted the dog.
A bit like kids really.
Between the forums, books and Youtube theres just no excuse. The info is in abundance.
There are some new owners lacking the necessary desire to learn as they go, to see the signs of boredom, neglect and teething, and to respond accordingly, many of whom have a dog simply for the sake of having a dog, status symbols often.
The novelty soon wears off and the animal mooches around looking for something to occupy himself such as chewing the rug or tipping over the kitchen bin.
Cue the hastily written Gumtree ad seeking a 'Forever Home' for our cute 'little boy' aged 4 months.
These people should be visited by the RSPCA, the dog removed and receive a ban 'until they've grown up a bit'.
I've been training gun dogs for a number of years now and like any responsible dog lover, I think much more needs to be done to discourage the poor decisions to 'get a dog' being made in the first instance.
Its a commitment to your new companion. For life.
I'm on a few spaniel forums, nearly all the posts on the general forums are by stay at home Mums wondering why their 'adorable fur baby' has started biting or some such. Some of the posts are outright ludicrous & show a rescue dog in the making The more time and attention you invest in bonding, training and exercise, the better mannered and well adjusted the dog.
A bit like kids really.
Between the forums, books and Youtube theres just no excuse. The info is in abundance.
There are some new owners lacking the necessary desire to learn as they go, to see the signs of boredom, neglect and teething, and to respond accordingly, many of whom have a dog simply for the sake of having a dog, status symbols often.
The novelty soon wears off and the animal mooches around looking for something to occupy himself such as chewing the rug or tipping over the kitchen bin.
Cue the hastily written Gumtree ad seeking a 'Forever Home' for our cute 'little boy' aged 4 months.
These people should be visited by the RSPCA, the dog removed and receive a ban 'until they've grown up a bit'.
I've been training gun dogs for a number of years now and like any responsible dog lover, I think much more needs to be done to discourage the poor decisions to 'get a dog' being made in the first instance.
Its a commitment to your new companion. For life.
Almost every post on the gun dog forum is interesting & often useful so that's the only one I bother with now.
Mad as a box of frogs when the mood takes him, especially at the lake, but has almost completely stopped chasing crows, but not pigeons....
Premature sending it back, in my view. But that's all it is, my view.
It'll have come straight from playing with its litter mates, generally via biting. Roxie, our miniature dachshund, would nip a little bit and particularly while teething, understandably enough. It was a case of telling her 'ouch!' when she bit too hard, then telling her 'ouch!' when she bit virtually at all - to get the point across and nothing else, as you could barely feel the touch. Now you could put your finger in her mouth and she'd never do anything more than the gentlest clasp.
Puppies bite. It's what they do.
What we have to do is train them not to.
It'll have come straight from playing with its litter mates, generally via biting. Roxie, our miniature dachshund, would nip a little bit and particularly while teething, understandably enough. It was a case of telling her 'ouch!' when she bit too hard, then telling her 'ouch!' when she bit virtually at all - to get the point across and nothing else, as you could barely feel the touch. Now you could put your finger in her mouth and she'd never do anything more than the gentlest clasp.
Puppies bite. It's what they do.
What we have to do is train them not to.
moorx said:
CAPP0 said:
Is it just me who's also troubled by the thread title referring to the Sale of Goods Act?
He's a living being, not a washing machine.
Nope, but a sadly common attitude to animals these days, seeing them as commodities He's a living being, not a washing machine.
LordHaveMurci said:
moorx said:
CAPP0 said:
Is it just me who's also troubled by the thread title referring to the Sale of Goods Act?
He's a living being, not a washing machine.
Nope, but a sadly common attitude to animals these days, seeing them as commodities He's a living being, not a washing machine.
It is not a term I would think most people would consider using when talking about getting a pet or returning one. I have had to when being very matter of fact and talking in a legal sense for clients (not very often mind!). Under trading standards etc that is what the purchase of a live animal would come under just like anything else. I don't like it though!
Why can't people read the question, rather than random thoughts on puppy behaviour and how the owners cope with it?
To quote the question again -
"The breeder contract stated that we could not resell the puppy, and that if returned within 72 hours we would receive a full refund. Since this was after the 72 hours I was told that we would receive "maybe a couple of hundred pounds" (vs 850GBP paid) as the puppy could not now be resold and she would have to keep it. Imagine our surprise when the puppy was back on Pets4Homes within 24hours!
So the question is - are we entitled to any refund?"
Answer is no. You have been done over and the breeder just wants to make the maxium gain v the minimum loss.
We had this with a Springer we bought for £600. Totally misled after we were told the dog was up for sale again compared to what the original owners gave him back for ! Rather than sending him back to this breeder, who deals with the Royal Family, we instead drove all the way from Sevenoaks to Northumberland to give him a better life with people who are not greedy mofos
You're better off not pandering to this ££££ making machine and get an amiable mongrel from Ireland or Bulgaria. Who will save you ££ in vets bills to boot.... hardy is the poor mongrel.
Once bitten twice shy I believe is the correct expression. Good luck with your new dog. I believe there is a thread on Pistonheads about cheap barges? 10 000 pages long? Applies to dogs too
To quote the question again -
"The breeder contract stated that we could not resell the puppy, and that if returned within 72 hours we would receive a full refund. Since this was after the 72 hours I was told that we would receive "maybe a couple of hundred pounds" (vs 850GBP paid) as the puppy could not now be resold and she would have to keep it. Imagine our surprise when the puppy was back on Pets4Homes within 24hours!
So the question is - are we entitled to any refund?"
Answer is no. You have been done over and the breeder just wants to make the maxium gain v the minimum loss.
We had this with a Springer we bought for £600. Totally misled after we were told the dog was up for sale again compared to what the original owners gave him back for ! Rather than sending him back to this breeder, who deals with the Royal Family, we instead drove all the way from Sevenoaks to Northumberland to give him a better life with people who are not greedy mofos
You're better off not pandering to this ££££ making machine and get an amiable mongrel from Ireland or Bulgaria. Who will save you ££ in vets bills to boot.... hardy is the poor mongrel.
Once bitten twice shy I believe is the correct expression. Good luck with your new dog. I believe there is a thread on Pistonheads about cheap barges? 10 000 pages long? Applies to dogs too
Edited by Gandahar on Friday 23 June 20:57
moorx said:
CAPP0 said:
Is it just me who's also troubled by the thread title referring to the Sale of Goods Act?
He's a living being, not a washing machine.
Nope, but a sadly common attitude to animals these days, seeing them as commodities He's a living being, not a washing machine.
That sounds sensible to me when you have a small child.
Once again, this question is not about the ins and out of what has transpired before the dog was returned but what happened after. That's the question that is being asked.
LimaDelta said:
CAPP0 said:
Is it just me who's also troubled by the thread title referring to the Sale of Goods Act?
He's a living being, not a washing machine.
FWIW, animals are covered by the Sale of Goods Act, whether or not you find the terminology distasteful. He's a living being, not a washing machine.
Gandahar said:
LimaDelta said:
CAPP0 said:
Is it just me who's also troubled by the thread title referring to the Sale of Goods Act?
He's a living being, not a washing machine.
FWIW, animals are covered by the Sale of Goods Act, whether or not you find the terminology distasteful. He's a living being, not a washing machine.
Probably does not apply here, unless the breeders claim that the puppy was socialised with young children was disingenuous. Agree more down to training and a moot point really at 8 weeks.
As above though, we are fully aware a dog requires training and supervision, I'm happy to write off the £850 as a learning experience (never deal with puppy farmers again!) but resent being lied to, that's all.
LimaDelta said:
Gandahar said:
LimaDelta said:
CAPP0 said:
Is it just me who's also troubled by the thread title referring to the Sale of Goods Act?
He's a living being, not a washing machine.
FWIW, animals are covered by the Sale of Goods Act, whether or not you find the terminology distasteful. He's a living being, not a washing machine.
Probably does not apply here, unless the breeders claim that the puppy was socialised with young children was disingenuous. Agree more down to training and a moot point really at 8 weeks.
As above though, we are fully aware a dog requires training and supervision, I'm happy to write off the £850 as a learning experience (never deal with puppy farmers again!) but resent being lied to, that's all.
The problem is that legislation is more about making fridges, for instance, not set on fire rather something alive I think. Irony ?
Edited by Gandahar on Friday 23 June 21:21
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