'No Pull Harness' How do they work?

'No Pull Harness' How do they work?

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King Herald

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23,501 posts

215 months

Monday 31st July 2017
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Our dogs are great, but a pain on the lead, heavy pull and they both like to meet and greet anything they see in the road, dog, cat, paper bag, plastic cup etc.

We are using head collars on both of them, which work to a degree, but when they get wound up and want to go see a new friend, they are still a ball ache to control. No barking or growling, just eager to meet.

I have heard about Julius K9 harnesses and was wondering if they are as good as the ads make out. Any experience anybody?

We are off to see a dog behaviourist (a trainer, as they were called in the good old sensible days) this week some time, so that may sort the problem out, hopefully, but if not we may need something else.

crashley

1,568 posts

179 months

Monday 31st July 2017
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My wife uses this for our Boxer: http://store.intl.petsafe.net/en-gb/easy-walk-harn...

She's tried a few and that seems to be the most successful; it attaches as per the photos and essentially whenever he pulls it turns him around, so he gives up pulling and walks like when he's with me. smile

ROB_GTR

1,818 posts

224 months

Monday 31st July 2017
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crashley said:
My wife uses this for our Boxer: http://store.intl.petsafe.net/en-gb/easy-walk-harn...

She's tried a few and that seems to be the most successful; it attaches as per the photos and essentially whenever he pulls it turns him around, so he gives up pulling and walks like when he's with me. smile
Tried these and didn't work for us. Found they rubbed under the armpit area also. It, rather than turn him around just twisted the harness and cut into his armpit.

juice

8,509 posts

281 months

Monday 31st July 2017
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When you say a head collar, do you mean a figure of 8 or something else ?

King Herald

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23,501 posts

215 months

Monday 31st July 2017
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juice said:
When you say a head collar, do you mean a figure of 8 or something else ?
It is strap thing that goes round the muzzle and also round the neck, and you attach the lead underneath so when they pull it steers their head to one side. It reduces pulling by about 50% with both our dogs, but they still get a bit cheeky when they see other dogs/cats.

King Herald

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23,501 posts

215 months

Monday 31st July 2017
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crashley said:
My wife uses this for our Boxer: http://store.intl.petsafe.net/en-gb/easy-walk-harn...

She's tried a few and that seems to be the most successful; it attaches as per the photos and essentially whenever he pulls it turns him around, so he gives up pulling and walks like when he's with me. smile
That looks a lot like the k9 decide, except the k9 has a handle built into the back of it.

Buzz84

1,138 posts

148 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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We have stop pull harnesses for both our dogs (A Malamute/GSD Cross and a JR cross) and find that they work well and make a big difference to when we take them out just clipped onto their collars.

The ones we have are: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0062ME8WG/ref=cm_sw_r...

Cheap enough to give it a try really

King Herald

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23,501 posts

215 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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I saw those in the pet shop, but I simply cannot work out how they 'stop pulling instantly'.

If a dog will pull hard even when a choker collar is threatening to asphyxiate him, how can a simple cheat harness work? It says something about lifting and separating, but sounds more like a cross your heart bra. laugh

What is the actual secret of that device?

garythesign

2,056 posts

87 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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Full of admiration for what you have done with those dogs

Not wanting to sound sanctimonious, (and reading this back I wish I could phrase it better) but may I suggest training them to walk on the lead would be a better solution. Particularly as you have two large dogs.

Pot calling the kettle black, but mine are terrible for pulling on the lead but they are not on it that often and they are smaller than your two. Wish I had trained them better when they were younger.

In the past I used a gentle leader which my collie hated - and I can see why.

Good luck

King Herald

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23,501 posts

215 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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Thanks. I think we are lucky to have found them and they are lucky to have us, so mutually beneficial. biggrin

As we speak, I am waiting for a call back from a dog 'behaviourist' I phoned last week. She is fairly local but she was away until today, and told me she'd call back.

Both dogs are great in all respects, house trained, friendly, harmless, docile and happy, and the issue with other dogs is there only real flaw. The odd thing is there is no aggression, no barking, no snarling.

garythesign

2,056 posts

87 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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I now notice that you mentioned a trainer in your original post

I don't think I have added anything to the thread!

Note to self - read original posts more thoroughly in future!

LordHaveMurci

12,034 posts

168 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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King Herald said:
We are off to see a dog behaviourist (a trainer, as they were called in the good old sensible days) this week some time, so that may sort the problem out, hopefully, .
This is definitely the way forward.

Not a GSD but our rescue spaniel pulled like mad when we got him 3mths ago, he walked on a loose lead for our 13yr old lad last night (not fussed about perfect heel).

It took some time & patience & I appreciate you have bigger dogs & twice as many but it pays off in other ways too when you have all round well trained dogs smile

King Herald

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215 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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garythesign said:
I don't think I have added anything to the thread!

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I rarely do myself. biggrin


LordHaveMurci said:
This is definitely the way forward.

Not a GSD but our rescue spaniel pulled like mad when we got him 3mths ago, he walked on a loose lead for our 13yr old lad last night (not fussed about perfect heel).

It took some time & patience & I appreciate you have bigger dogs & twice as many but it pays off in other ways too when you have all round well trained dogs smile
I have tried all the Dog Whisperer stuff that magically transforms a dog with a mere change of wrist grip, tug of the lead, or a slight poke with the fingers in the neck.....didn't work, for some reason.... laugh

I have improved him a lot, as he used to leap around like a puppy sniffing everything, jumping left and right, spinning round and heading the opposite direction. Quite painful when a 100 lb dog wrenches your shoulder backwards suddenly.

Now I have started keeping him on a shorter lead. A quick NO and a couple of tugs on the lead and he learned literally in one walk not to stick his nose into everything.

But when he sees another dog, car, paperbag, pigeon......

My big handsome buddy.


phil-sti

2,668 posts

178 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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I’ve just come back from walking my one year old Lab and I share your pain. He is extremely strong and as we live next to a forest and moors he spends very little time on the lead so when he is on it he tends to pull. When he is tired he walks loose lead perfect but if he is a excited and the start of his walk then he can be a handful.
In fact he nearly tore my arm off when he spotted a feather earlier 😂


Ken Figenus

5,678 posts

116 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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Every dog wants to pull. I paid a dog trainer chap to show us how to teach our previous dog not to pull as missus was scared of him pulling her over - it took literally 5 mins. I do it on all our dogs now and a toddler can walk them with two fingers on a lead. Try that solution guys - there must be videos on YouTube - its just a technique in snapping a specific typee lead fairly hard and calling them back to heel in a certain way when they get ahead. Have done it on an 'unwalkable' Spaniel and the owners thought it was a 5 min miracle!

Apols if I'm teaching grannies to suck eggs here but we had a Halti muzzle thing once and the rotter developed thicker neck muscles to fight it - until this trick :-)

Glasgowrob

3,232 posts

120 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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can't say we have an issue with pulling but can't praise the Julius K9 harnesses enough,

great harnesses well made and last forever.


get custom name tags for them too smile

LordHaveMurci

12,034 posts

168 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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Ken Figenus said:
Every dog wants to pull. I paid a dog trainer chap to show us how to teach our previous dog not to pull as missus was scared of him pulling her over - it took literally 5 mins. I do it on all our dogs now and a toddler can walk them with two fingers on a lead. Try that solution guys - there must be videos on YouTube - its just a technique in snapping a specific typee lead fairly hard and calling them back to heel in a certain way when they get ahead. Have done it on an 'unwalkable' Spaniel and the owners thought it was a 5 min miracle!

Apols if I'm teaching grannies to suck eggs here but we had a Halti muzzle thing once and the rotter developed thicker neck muscles to fight it - until this trick :-)
I tried a technique recommended by a fellow gun dog owner, when they pull - stop & take a step or two back, or even turn around & walk back a little way. The dog pulls as it wants to get somewhere, once they realise (& they will!) that pulling ISN'T getting them anywhere they calm down a lot!
Arlo had a bird fixation when we got him, not fun on the lead. Every time he pulled after them I'd walk him in the opposite direction (as much as practicable), seems to have helped a lot.

I must admit to yanking his lead once out of sheer frustration, he wears a slip lead & though it didn't bother him in the slightest let alone hurt him he did seem to take the hint.

The woman he'd lived with before us used a figure 8 lead on him, it taught him nothing, was easier than teaching him some basic manners though.

Ken Figenus

5,678 posts

116 months

Tuesday 1st August 2017
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Lots of that in it mate. You never EVER hurt them but a bit of slight snap of discomfort with a special long stretchy lead followed by a big walkaround to heel + command works. Its brilliantly simple once you know smile. I could walk my OES off the lead in Kingston on a pavement after that. No one was more surprised than me! But you see other dogs doing it so it could be you too!

King Herald

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23,501 posts

215 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Ken Figenus said:
Lots of that in it mate. You never EVER hurt them but a bit of slight snap of discomfort with a special long stretchy lead followed by a big walkaround to heel + command works. Its brilliantly simple once you know smile. I could walk my OES off the lead in Kingston on a pavement after that. No one was more surprised than me! But you see other dogs doing it so it could be you too!
I'm hoping we can learn something like that then, I really don't want to be doing multiple lessons and slowly persuading them to change their ways. I doubt dog trainers are cheap.

The tugs on the lead and loud sharp 'NO' seem to have cured his erratic aggressive sniffing, so I guess just finding the technique is the key.

DonkeyApple

54,923 posts

168 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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King Herald said:
Thanks. I think we are lucky to have found them and they are lucky to have us, so mutually beneficial. biggrin

As we speak, I am waiting for a call back from a dog 'behaviourist' I phoned last week. She is fairly local but she was away until today, and told me she'd call back.

Both dogs are great in all respects, house trained, friendly, harmless, docile and happy, and the issue with other dogs is there only real flaw. The odd thing is there is no aggression, no barking, no snarling.
There's no alpha animal to control them. Use the other end of their lead to simulate a nip on the arse from the pack leader. Dogs need to be trained. Pack leader dogs in the wild don't write letters of complaint, don't hire therapists, don't hold interventions etc etc. They simply give the lower ranking dog a good, solid nip and train them to behave. It takes more effort when they are older but it's easy enough to do and unlike the more basic dog to dog method you can make it far less harsh by using rewards for good behaviour. Also, if you have two dogs then just take one out at a time and train it to do what you want. Trying to train both simultaneously will just send you mad with no positive result to show for it. Take a dog out, when it starts to misbehave, give it a correction, make it sit down and then give it a treat for being good. Then go and do the same with the other one until both are retrained and you can then attempt to take them both out together. Good luck. It's easy to do all it takes is proper effort.