Dangerous Dog Next Door!
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Anyway getting back to the OP
He seems an eminently sensible genuine bloke and I for one would be privileged to have him as a neighbour. I think he has shown considerable patience and pragmatism to his neighbour. I would personally be wary of paying fully for a fence as if the tenant next door moves out he may have wasted his money
He seems an eminently sensible genuine bloke and I for one would be privileged to have him as a neighbour. I think he has shown considerable patience and pragmatism to his neighbour. I would personally be wary of paying fully for a fence as if the tenant next door moves out he may have wasted his money
alabbasi said:
mylesmcd said:
If a dog is attacking a person it is ok to kick it, knife it, punch it or shoot it. Anything that comes to hand, maybe even bumming it. Would you prefer putting the dog on the naughty step after it had savaged a 3 year old?
It might be justified and you should certainly do everything you can in that instance. But that's not the comment made that I responded to. You had said that you would not let a dog in your house unless they were able to kick the sh*t out of it, I expect that this is how how you discipline, which is a pretty common view.i'd think that nobody considers letting a known dangerous dog in their home with the view that they can beat sense into it, I'd give the you more credit.
Again it goes back to what I was saying in the beginning which is that it's got more to do with the owner than the dog. I did a quick google search for : "dog mauling UK" and this is was I got.
So yep, if your neighbor feeds her dog crack cocaine, you've got problems even if you build a 15ft high concrete wall with barbed wire. But if she's just a normal woman that happens to own a staff, you're probably safe.
Edited by alabbasi on Wednesday 15th November 21:51
Howitzer said:
Autopilot said:
PS - Forgot to add the reason my dog was attacked. He's a large male Dobermann and idiots misconception of the breed (mainly caused by 1980's media!) cause people to be scared.
We were walking my dog when he was only a year old or so and a little bit lanky still. A lady came up and smiled as she mentioned how you hardly see these with a tail anymore and gave him a little fuss. When she said "it's a Doberman isn't it" I corrected her and said no a Rottweiler.She instantly jerked her hand away, said "oh my" and hurried away nervously looking back
Dave!
Idiot
durbster said:
Where's the science in that article?
Edit: found this about the Belyaev fox experiment. It doesn't support your position:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/ma...
It's a very interesting experiment (especially with the climate that Lysenko created) that shows you can select for and against domestication, and also showed significant links between physiological changes and domestication. His view was very much that behaviour was rooted in biology, and that you could select for it, and thus there was a strong genetic basis for the behavioural responses. Later work supported more than 1/3 of behavioural response in the foxes was genetic, and large differences arose in biochemistry in those tamed vs untamed.Edit: found this about the Belyaev fox experiment. It doesn't support your position:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/ma...
Edited by durbster on Thursday 2nd November 08:48
It was also ground breaking in the idea of destabilising selection through stress - new environment with a strong selection, and how this could drive rapid evolution in nature. It also showed how common physiological/morphological traits could appear in unrelated species through a domestication process.
It certainly doesn't preclude reversing the taming process, and given the genetic basis most probably supports the ability to rapidly change the behavioural characteristics (tameness or not) of an animal.
Howitzer said:
Autopilot said:
PS - Forgot to add the reason my dog was attacked. He's a large male Dobermann and idiots misconception of the breed (mainly caused by 1980's media!) cause people to be scared.
We were walking my dog when he was only a year old or so and a little bit lanky still. A lady came up and smiled as she mentioned how you hardly see these with a tail anymore and gave him a little fuss. When she said "it's a Doberman isn't it" I corrected her and said no a Rottweiler.She instantly jerked her hand away, said "oh my" and hurried away nervously looking back
Dave!
Despite the fact my female (a European Cropped and Docked) used to bound around like a deer, people would go to all lengths to avoid her. She was the most gentle dog ever whom I once saw licking a field mouse that had sat on her paw. Because of the ears and tail, people perceive them to look aggressive so would tend to make a fuss of the male and not her despite her being so much more loving and cuddly than him. Ironically it's the male (with ears and a tail) that has the IPO1.
Autopilot said:
I've had similar experiences. My male is pretty well behaved and was doing some training on a walk with him and two family's with loads of kids asked if they could pet him. I gave them some biscuits to give to him and they remarked about what a gentle boy his was. They asked what breed he was so I said he's a Dobermann and one of the women quickly picked the smallest kid up, the very one she'd just been taking a picture of with him licking her face just moments ago. People are stupid!
Despite the fact my female (a European Cropped and Docked) used to bound around like a deer, people would go to all lengths to avoid her. She was the most gentle dog ever whom I once saw licking a field mouse that had sat on her paw. Because of the ears and tail, people perceive them to look aggressive so would tend to make a fuss of the male and not her despite her being so much more loving and cuddly than him. Ironically it's the male (with ears and a tail) that has the IPO1.
Not had any of that with our Staffy, yet, as he is only 9 1/2 months old. Totally expecting it when he is older though. Poor little bugger got attacked by two full grown male labs the other day, he just managed to escape and run back to my wife. Despite the fact my female (a European Cropped and Docked) used to bound around like a deer, people would go to all lengths to avoid her. She was the most gentle dog ever whom I once saw licking a field mouse that had sat on her paw. Because of the ears and tail, people perceive them to look aggressive so would tend to make a fuss of the male and not her despite her being so much more loving and cuddly than him. Ironically it's the male (with ears and a tail) that has the IPO1.
HappyMidget said:
Autopilot said:
I've had similar experiences. My male is pretty well behaved and was doing some training on a walk with him and two family's with loads of kids asked if they could pet him. I gave them some biscuits to give to him and they remarked about what a gentle boy his was. They asked what breed he was so I said he's a Dobermann and one of the women quickly picked the smallest kid up, the very one she'd just been taking a picture of with him licking her face just moments ago. People are stupid!
Despite the fact my female (a European Cropped and Docked) used to bound around like a deer, people would go to all lengths to avoid her. She was the most gentle dog ever whom I once saw licking a field mouse that had sat on her paw. Because of the ears and tail, people perceive them to look aggressive so would tend to make a fuss of the male and not her despite her being so much more loving and cuddly than him. Ironically it's the male (with ears and a tail) that has the IPO1.
Not had any of that with our Staffy, yet, as he is only 9 1/2 months old. Totally expecting it when he is older though. Poor little bugger got attacked by two full grown male labs the other day, he just managed to escape and run back to my wife. Despite the fact my female (a European Cropped and Docked) used to bound around like a deer, people would go to all lengths to avoid her. She was the most gentle dog ever whom I once saw licking a field mouse that had sat on her paw. Because of the ears and tail, people perceive them to look aggressive so would tend to make a fuss of the male and not her despite her being so much more loving and cuddly than him. Ironically it's the male (with ears and a tail) that has the IPO1.
Lazermilk said:
Hope he was ok, again shows that labs aren't as friendly as everyone perceives them to be and any dog can be aggressive/dangerous when not treated properly.
Yeah, he was fine thanks, sturdy little chap 
Not the first male lab to do that either. I think people neuter far too young to sort out energy levels, but this can actually lead to fear aggression in later life and I think this applies to a lot of male labs as they always seem to be the ones who have owners say that they are aggressive to intact males!Lazermilk said:
Hope he was ok, again shows that labs aren't as friendly as everyone perceives them to be and any dog can be aggressive/dangerous when not treated properly.
My Staffy was bitten in the face by a Lab when she was a puppy. Another one cut a chunk out of her chest a few years later, not sure if that one was teeth or claws.I don't think Labs are likely to do major damage but in my experience they are far less predictable than Staffies. I'm more nervous around Labs I don't know than SBTs I don't know.
When my GSD was very young he was attacked by a Labrador - now he is mature and somewhat large, I cannot take him anywhere near one as the result would be very different.
We have a very irresponsible owner in the village who has affected many young dogs lives to be honest with the behaviour of theirs.
So selfish...
We have a very irresponsible owner in the village who has affected many young dogs lives to be honest with the behaviour of theirs.
So selfish...
found this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5112185/Im...
and thought of this thread
even when owners believe their dogs are gentle....
and thought of this thread
even when owners believe their dogs are gentle....
alabbasi said:
The owners were both idiots for leaving their dogs off the lease. I'm sure if you walked around that green, there would be signs everywhere telling owners to keep their dogs on a lease.
The two dogs that attacked were leashed but slipped their collars. The other dog ran up to them and nicked their ball. The owner has handed both his dogs in to the police and they will likely be put down.Never allow a dog under your care to run up to a leashed dog.
In other news, Byron got attacked by some yappy little terrier just after my wife had put him on his lead to go into the carpark after his morning walk. Little rat bit Byron on the nose and wouldn't leave him alone. Little rat was off leash and owner was in a mobility scooter.
HappyMidget said:
The two dogs that attacked were leashed but slipped their collars. The other dog ran up to them and nicked their ball. The owner has handed both his dogs in to the police and they will likely be put down..
That's unfortunate. I had experienced a similar incident with my pitbull. He was on a lease and we were walking the trail, A 400lbs guy with 2 Panamanians off the lease was about 100ft down the path. The dogs saw mine and started running towards me. Of course I shouted at the owner to keep his dogs away but it took about 2 minutes for his body to react to what his brain was thinking. I ended up pinning my dog to the ground and covering my body over his so he could not move. The owner finally grabbed his dogs and looked at me like I was the a$$hole.
It's important to understand that while many dogs are bred to be docile towards people, they can be dog aggressive. Especially if they're still intact. This is why we have lease laws, but some people just don't get it.
Edited by alabbasi on Friday 24th November 19:58
alabbasi said:
He was on a lease and we were walking the trail, A 400lbs guy with 2 Panamanians off the lease
You can lease anything nowadays.HappyMidget said:
The two dogs that attacked were leashed but slipped their collars. The other dog ran up to them and nicked their ball. The owner has handed both his dogs in to the police and they will likely be put down.
Says the owner of the two dogs that attacked and killed another, not sure I'll take his word for it just yet. There doesn't look like much sign of collars or leashes etc and I don't really understand how two dogs manage to slip their leashes just like that anyway? Seems unlikely.The whole story isn't helped by the fact that one dog is a Bully Kutta, bred very specifically to be dog-aggressive and fight well and very unusual to even own in the UK so I would guess bought as a status dog to look hard (clipped ears and all),
A sad story all round and I really don't normally judge by breed etc but until we hear the other side of the story I'm struggling to believe that those two dogs were anything but large, dog-aggressive, status symbol dogs possibly even trained to attack/fight etc.
Japveesix said:
You can lease anything nowadays.
Frigging predictive text Japveesix said:
I don't really understand how two dogs manage to slip their leashes just like that anyway? Seems unlikely.
It happens all the time which is why i stopped walking my two big dogs together when I had them both, They were just too much to handle when together and I knew that I would not be able to manage a situation if some idiot had their dogs off the leash. It still happens to me every now with the big Mastiff mix. He has hip dysplasia and likes to go upstairs and lie on the sofa up in the den. He doesnt like coming back down and resists my efforts to get him down. I've resorted to carrying all 115lbs of him down the stairs instead of trying to drag him down as I know he's in pain. At least he doesn't put up a fight.
Edited by alabbasi on Saturday 25th November 04:36
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