Dangerous Dog Next Door!

[mylesmcd]

I can hands down say that my Mrs Chiyuayua will start with every dog she sees.

Fear = 0

Ability to back it up = also 0

I have had 2 encounters with unleashed Pit/Staff/dangerous dogs, both of which were in a city center, both times I stupidly lifted the Chiyuayua up.... Both times first thing the owners said...'he/she is such a lovely dog, she would never......'

The things should be banned, there is no need to have a dog like that. Ever.

[alabbasi]

If she had her dog off the leash and he had his leashed. She's responsible, it's plain and simple.

[anonymous-user]

Wonderr if the OP made any headway with the woman next door.

[alabbasi]

Gaz. said:

No it isn't. The punishment does not fit the 'crime' of nicking a ball, and if a dog is that aggressive and lethal it should have been muzzled and preferably not out in public at all, regardless of the breed.

What are you heck are you talking about? Dogs are not human and you can't use human logic with them. She did not have control of her dog, and he had control of his until that dog walked up to them which put them in a frenzy which he could no longer manage. It could just as easily happen between rat terriers and stzu's. Especially if one or more of them is not neutered.

It's tragic and feel terrible for everyone including all three dogs, but this happens all too often because owners let their dogs run loose and assume because their dogs are harmless, nothing can happen and this puts large dog breed owners like me at risk because they're not thinking about their environment. Had she kept head dog on a lead, it wouldn't have happened.

[Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah]

alabbasi said:

Gaz. said:

No it isn't. The punishment does not fit the 'crime' of nicking a ball, and if a dog is that aggressive and lethal it should have been muzzled and preferably not out in public at all, regardless of the breed.

It's tragic and feel terrible for everyone including all three dogs, but this happens all too often because owners let their dogs run loose and assume because their dogs are harmless, nothing can happen and this puts large dog breed owners like me at risk because they're not thinking about their environment. Had she kept head dog on a lead, it wouldn't have happened.

Completely this. One of ours is a Dobe x Viz. Very strong and very muscly. He doesn't like other dogs, so never goes off lead, it's the way it has to be. At times other dogs run over, he becomes hard, but not impossible, to control.

All to often we hear 'it's OK, he's friendly!' Well, mine ain't so get your dog back!

[mylesmcd]

Gaz. said:

mylesmcd said:

I can hands down say that my Mrs Chiyuayua will start with every dog she sees.

Fear = 0

Ability to back it up = also 0

I have had 2 encounters with unleashed Pit/Staff/dangerous dogs, both of which were in a city center, both times I stupidly lifted the Chiyuayua up.... Both times first thing the owners said...'he/she is such a lovely dog, she would never......'

The things should be banned, there is no need to have a dog like that. Ever.

So your dog starts on every dog she sees, but its everyone else that's the problem....

I should have mentioned both times the other dogs were off their leads - in a town centre. Small dogs, when they see a situation of danger go in first in order to give themselves that extra 5 feet getaway.

[mylesmcd]

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:

alabbasi said:

Gaz. said:

No it isn't. The punishment does not fit the 'crime' of nicking a ball, and if a dog is that aggressive and lethal it should have been muzzled and preferably not out in public at all, regardless of the breed.

It's tragic and feel terrible for everyone including all three dogs, but this happens all too often because owners let their dogs run loose and assume because their dogs are harmless, nothing can happen and this puts large dog breed owners like me at risk because they're not thinking about their environment. Had she kept head dog on a lead, it wouldn't have happened.

Completely this. One of ours is a Dobe x Viz. Very strong and very muscly. He doesn't like other dogs, so never goes off lead, it's the way it has to be. At times other dogs run over, he becomes hard, but not impossible, to control.

All to often we hear 'it's OK, he's friendly!' Well, mine ain't so get your dog back!

- exactly. Mine is the opposite, harmless, but still unfriendly and likely to get agressive in her own way - which the larger dogs reacts to.

[fredt]

Autopilot said:

My other job I do is that I wear a sleeve and get 'attacked' by sport dogs (Schutzhund) and trained security dogs. I'm not a professional by any means but am fairly clued up when it comes to working with dogs and have on occasion assisted a professional with assessments of dogs that have been confiscated by the Police / Courts. I have of course undergone training by those that are Pro's. From my limited experience but within a professional environment, it's easy to see where a lot of the problems stem from and it's usually the wrong owner for the dog. Yes of course some dogs look scarier and due to their size and power, can inflict a lot of damage and yes, some people do get these dogs to intimidate people with.

I have been on a dog walk before and a walker had completely unprovoked....my fault, as I normally bring the dog in close if people are around as I don't want him pestering people....didn't have my eye on the ball and he was in close proximity of the walker but not acknowledging him in any way, he was literally going to walk around him on a fairly narrow path. The walker then started shouting at my dog and swinging his walking pole about. My dog is an IPO1 dog so started barking and snarling at the man. I called him in to heel which he did immediately.

The man stated my dog attacked him. My dog didn't attack him in any way. This idiot provoked the dog, the dog responded. The dog was under complete control and did as I told him. The man still maintained my dogs reaction to him being a dick was 'an attack'.

In sport, the dog HAS to bark a minimum of 25 times at the man hiding in the blinds when he finds him to alert the handler of his presence. The training also requires the dog to bark as loudly and aggressively as possible, none of those quiet 'gruff gruff' noises. Despite the man attacking my dog, the walker insisted my dogs reaction to him was him being attacked. My dog did not bite the man. my dog did not even engage with the man until he started shouting at him.

So in response to your response, yes, "I've been attacked by a dog" has and can mean that teeth weren't involved!

The only Idiot in this story is the guy with a big scary dog who knows his dog will display aggressive behavior when challenged, and despite this lets the dog of the leash outside of his control when other people are about! The fact that you 'knew' the dog wouldn't do anything is besides the point. And no you were not in control as you stated yourself you didn't have 'your eye on the ball' and your dog displayed aggressive behaviour before you had a chance to intervene.

Astonishing for someone with such (claimed) insight to call the other guy an idiot and not realising you are the problem and your behaviour is contributing to the publics perception of such breeds.

[alabbasi]

fredt said:

The only Idiot in this story is the guy with a big scary dog who knows his dog will display aggressive behavior when challenged.

No, he explained his dogs characteristics and has given some thought on how to handle his pet. More people should think like this.
Every dog is capable of showing aggressive behavior when threatened. Most will cower from their owners but not with strangers, and not when they are not able to get away. People who don't understand this set themselves up for disasters because they don't think their dogs will do it.

Again, it's more about the owner than the dog,

Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 28th November 16:12

[fredt]

alabbasi said:

fredt said:

The only Idiot in this story is the guy with a big scary dog who knows his dog will display aggressive behavior when challenged.

No, he explained the characteristics of his dog pretty well therefore he knows how to handle his dog well.
The OP has everything he needs to make his mind up.

Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 28th November 16:00

I don't know what planet you live on where you think it's OK for someone with a Doberman out of his control to scare the st out of a innocent civilian. Responsible dog ownership it is not.

I love these dogs and grew up with Alsatians and we also had a Rottweiler trained in the army for protection. You want to own these dogs, fine by me but it comes with responsibility.

[alabbasi]

fredt said:

I don't know what planet you live on where you think it's OK for someone with a Doberman out of his control to scare the st out of a innocent civilian. Responsible dog ownership it is not.

I love these dogs and grew up with Alsatians and we also had a Rottweiler trained in the army for protection. You want to own these dogs, fine by me but it comes with responsibility.

I did not read anywhere that the dog was out of control and scaring pedestrians. Just that somebody waved a stick at him and the dog reacted. If the dog was off the lead , then it's totally unacceptable as no dog (no exceptions) should be off a lead unless they're in a fenced off dog park.

The poster simply admitted that he dropped the ball once and acknowledged his mistake.It happens and people learn, I tried to take my mastiff mix and pitbull for a walk together once decided that it was the last time I was ever going to do that. I would be irresponsible if I tried it again, not because I tried it once.

[HappyMidget]

alabbasi said:

I did not read anywhere that the dog was out of control and scaring pedestrians. Just that somebody waved a stick at him and the dog reacted. If the dog was off the lead , then it's totally unacceptable as no dog (no exceptions) should be off a lead unless they're in a fenced off dog park.

No such thing as a Dog Park in the UK. If your dog is very well behaved you can walk it off lead most places. Some places have lead restrictions, mainly childrens playgrounds etc.

[alabbasi]

HappyMidget said:

No such thing as a Dog Park in the UK. If your dog is very well behaved you can walk it off lead most places. Some places have lead restrictions, mainly childrens playgrounds etc.

That's a problem. Well behaved dogs are like well behaved kids, subjective. If you don't have your dog on the lead in a public place then you don't have control of your dog. Simple

Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 28th November 17:17

[m4tti]

alabbasi said:

fredt said:

I don't know what planet you live on where you think it's OK for someone with a Doberman out of his control to scare the st out of a innocent civilian. Responsible dog ownership it is not.

I love these dogs and grew up with Alsatians and we also had a Rottweiler trained in the army for protection. You want to own these dogs, fine by me but it comes with responsibility.

I did not read anywhere that the dog was out of control and scaring pedestrians. Just that somebody waved a stick at him and the dog reacted. If the dog was off the lead , then it's totally unacceptable as no dog (no exceptions) should be off a lead unless they're in a fenced off dog park.

The poster simply admitted that he dropped the ball once and acknowledged his mistake.It happens and people learn, I tried to take my mastiff mix and pitbull for a walk together once decided that it was the last time I was ever going to do that. I would be irresponsible if I tried it again, not because I tried it once.

Are you in the uk. Under uk law the dog barking out of the owners control at another member of the public off lead, is now classed as out of control in a public place, and is therefore breaking the law. No if's no buts, no maybes.


I've had numerous Bordeauxs they go straight back on the lead if someone is vaguely in the vacinity. Not because I don't trust them because you are working them in an uncontrolled environment with numerous uncontrolled variables, where you need to make the decisions not them.

Apart from that it's good dog manners.

Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 28th November 18:46

[alabbasi]

m4tti said:

Are you in the uk? .......I've had numerous Bordeauxs they go straight back on the lead if someone is vaguely in the vacinity. Not because I don't trust them because you are working them in an uncontrolled environment with numerous uncontrolled variables, where you need to make the decisions not them.

I don't think we're disagreeing (much if at all). We agree that public places are uncontrolled environments which is why it's important that everyone has their dog on a lead. People who don't have their dogs on leads put their own dogs, the public, and other dog owners who leash their dogs in danger of physical harm and personal liability.

I don't care if your dog yaps at mine, I just don't want it to be able to walk up to me and my dog while I'm trying to get out of its way.

Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 28th November 21:44

[m4tti]

alabbasi said:

I don't think we're disagreeing (much if at all). We agree that public places are uncontrolled environments which is why it's important that everyone has their dog on a lead. People who don't have their dogs on leads put their own dogs, the public, and other dog owners who leash their dogs in danger of physical harm and personal liability.

I don't care if your dog yaps at mine, I just don't it to be able to walk up to me and my dog while I'm trying to get out of its way.

Yep I don't think we're disagreeing.

[Autopilot]

fredt said:

Autopilot said:

My other job I do is that I wear a sleeve and get 'attacked' by sport dogs (Schutzhund) and trained security dogs. I'm not a professional by any means but am fairly clued up when it comes to working with dogs and have on occasion assisted a professional with assessments of dogs that have been confiscated by the Police / Courts. I have of course undergone training by those that are Pro's. From my limited experience but within a professional environment, it's easy to see where a lot of the problems stem from and it's usually the wrong owner for the dog. Yes of course some dogs look scarier and due to their size and power, can inflict a lot of damage and yes, some people do get these dogs to intimidate people with.

I have been on a dog walk before and a walker had completely unprovoked....my fault, as I normally bring the dog in close if people are around as I don't want him pestering people....didn't have my eye on the ball and he was in close proximity of the walker but not acknowledging him in any way, he was literally going to walk around him on a fairly narrow path. The walker then started shouting at my dog and swinging his walking pole about. My dog is an IPO1 dog so started barking and snarling at the man. I called him in to heel which he did immediately.

The man stated my dog attacked him. My dog didn't attack him in any way. This idiot provoked the dog, the dog responded. The dog was under complete control and did as I told him. The man still maintained my dogs reaction to him being a dick was 'an attack'.

In sport, the dog HAS to bark a minimum of 25 times at the man hiding in the blinds when he finds him to alert the handler of his presence. The training also requires the dog to bark as loudly and aggressively as possible, none of those quiet 'gruff gruff' noises. Despite the man attacking my dog, the walker insisted my dogs reaction to him was him being attacked. My dog did not bite the man. my dog did not even engage with the man until he started shouting at him.

So in response to your response, yes, "I've been attacked by a dog" has and can mean that teeth weren't involved!

The only Idiot in this story is the guy with a big scary dog who knows his dog will display aggressive behavior when challenged, and despite this lets the dog of the leash outside of his control when other people are about! The fact that you 'knew' the dog wouldn't do anything is besides the point. And no you were not in control as you stated yourself you didn't have 'your eye on the ball' and your dog displayed aggressive behaviour before you had a chance to intervene.

Astonishing for someone with such (claimed) insight to call the other guy an idiot and not realising you are the problem and your behaviour is contributing to the publics perception of such breeds.

I wouldn't normally argue with an idiot as you're only going to drag me down to your level and beat me with your vast levels of experience. Alas, I will stand my ground on this.

My dog is under perfect control. If I call him to heel, he does what he's told to do when he's told to do it. If I see somebody approaching, he gets called in to heel. He doesn't tend to interact with people or other dogs but I appreciate that not everybody likes dogs so do it out of courtesy, not because he's going to bite anybody.

On this occasion he was a short way ahead of me just following scents. He did not interact with the man in any way and barely lift his nose up from the scent he was following. The man then took the fight to the dog and attacked him with the walking pole. If the dog had been growling, eyeballing him or anything that could be construed as aggressive behaviour, intimidating or looking like an attack was likely, I'd understand the reaction. The dog didn't even look at him and was happily going to pass with zero interaction.

As the man attacked my dog, I called him to heel which he did IMMEDIATLY even though he was being attacked, I have full control over my dog. Yes, if I'd seen the man and called the dog over that may have been avoided and this is what I'd normally do but I'm not concerned if my dog does interact with people or get near them, he's not aggressive. It's not normal behaviour to just go around attacking dogs.

You are a dick.

[mylesmcd]

Autopilot said:

fredt said:

Autopilot said:

My other job I do is that I wear a sleeve and get 'attacked' by sport dogs (Schutzhund) and trained security dogs. I'm not a professional by any means but am fairly clued up when it comes to working with dogs and have on occasion assisted a professional with assessments of dogs that have been confiscated by the Police / Courts. I have of course undergone training by those that are Pro's. From my limited experience but within a professional environment, it's easy to see where a lot of the problems stem from and it's usually the wrong owner for the dog. Yes of course some dogs look scarier and due to their size and power, can inflict a lot of damage and yes, some people do get these dogs to intimidate people with.

I have been on a dog walk before and a walker had completely unprovoked....my fault, as I normally bring the dog in close if people are around as I don't want him pestering people....didn't have my eye on the ball and he was in close proximity of the walker but not acknowledging him in any way, he was literally going to walk around him on a fairly narrow path. The walker then started shouting at my dog and swinging his walking pole about. My dog is an IPO1 dog so started barking and snarling at the man. I called him in to heel which he did immediately.

The man stated my dog attacked him. My dog didn't attack him in any way. This idiot provoked the dog, the dog responded. The dog was under complete control and did as I told him. The man still maintained my dogs reaction to him being a dick was 'an attack'.

In sport, the dog HAS to bark a minimum of 25 times at the man hiding in the blinds when he finds him to alert the handler of his presence. The training also requires the dog to bark as loudly and aggressively as possible, none of those quiet 'gruff gruff' noises. Despite the man attacking my dog, the walker insisted my dogs reaction to him was him being attacked. My dog did not bite the man. my dog did not even engage with the man until he started shouting at him.

So in response to your response, yes, "I've been attacked by a dog" has and can mean that teeth weren't involved!

The only Idiot in this story is the guy with a big scary dog who knows his dog will display aggressive behavior when challenged, and despite this lets the dog of the leash outside of his control when other people are about! The fact that you 'knew' the dog wouldn't do anything is besides the point. And no you were not in control as you stated yourself you didn't have 'your eye on the ball' and your dog displayed aggressive behaviour before you had a chance to intervene.

Astonishing for someone with such (claimed) insight to call the other guy an idiot and not realising you are the problem and your behaviour is contributing to the publics perception of such breeds.

I wouldn't normally argue with an idiot as you're only going to drag me down to your level and beat me with your vast levels of experience. Alas, I will stand my ground on this.

My dog is under perfect control. If I call him to heel, he does what he's told to do when he's told to do it. If I see somebody approaching, he gets called in to heel. He doesn't tend to interact with people or other dogs but I appreciate that not everybody likes dogs so do it out of courtesy, not because he's going to bite anybody.

On this occasion he was a short way ahead of me just following scents. He did not interact with the man in any way and barely lift his nose up from the scent he was following. The man then took the fight to the dog and attacked him with the walking pole. If the dog had been growling, eyeballing him or anything that could be construed as aggressive behaviour, intimidating or looking like an attack was likely, I'd understand the reaction. The dog didn't even look at him and was happily going to pass with zero interaction.

As the man attacked my dog, I called him to heel which he did IMMEDIATLY even though he was being attacked, I have full control over my dog. Yes, if I'd seen the man and called the dog over that may have been avoided and this is what I'd normally do but I'm not concerned if my dog does interact with people or get near them, he's not aggressive. It's not normal behaviour to just go around attacking dogs.

You are a dick.

Not wanting to wade into anyone's argument, but I would like to offer another view. You have no idea what is going through that guy's (the walker) head. He could have been attacked before and the fear he is feeling has caused him to react like that. (in the incorrect manor given the facts presented) You may know your dog is a complete sweet heart, but the other dude doesn't...

I have been attacked by many dogs (even as a child my first memory was a Irish Wolfhound which was in a fox hunt, pushing me over and licking my face as I lay paralyzed with fear on the ground) Hence why I am very nervous around dogs, especially large, unfamiliar dogs. And, it takes a fair bit of time before I relax around them. Anything Labrador and above.

Also, if it is a public place, leads are essential. But, I guess you know that!