Family protection dogs
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Only skimmed through the thread, a lot of it starting to get a little b
hy. Speak to a friend of mine called Richard.
The dogs he trains are impressive, always busy and sells to the stars and wealthy types for protection, dogs are also trained around his family and young kids.
Worth a chat with him.
http://www.chaperonek9.co.uk
Carl
hy. Speak to a friend of mine called Richard.The dogs he trains are impressive, always busy and sells to the stars and wealthy types for protection, dogs are also trained around his family and young kids.
Worth a chat with him.
http://www.chaperonek9.co.uk
Carl
Boosted LS1 said:
Isn't a protection dog sacrificial in the same way a forces dog is? You send it in hoping it'll get a bite but maybe it won't.
In a worse case situation then yes. If you are facing a deadly threat then you might deploy the dog and then retreat. This is something we train for and the dog just assumes I will come back, because in training I always did... might have been 10 seconds, might have been 2 minutes but I eventually came back to finish the routine and give the reward...However for any other threat you have to be in control of the dog to show you have used reasonable force. Ideally giving a couple of verbal warnings before releasing the dog to bite and then as soon as the threat stops releasing the dog quickly from the offender to ensure as little injury is done as possible and then taking follow up actions.
C. Grimsley said:
Only skimmed through the thread, a lot of it starting to get a little bhy. Speak to a friend of mine called Richard.
The dogs he trains are impressive, always busy and sells to the stars and wealthy types for protection, dogs are also trained around his family and young kids.
Worth a chat with him.
http://www.chaperonek9.co.uk
Carl
Thanks Carl.hy. Speak to a friend of mine called Richard.The dogs he trains are impressive, always busy and sells to the stars and wealthy types for protection, dogs are also trained around his family and young kids.
Worth a chat with him.
http://www.chaperonek9.co.uk
Carl
According to some idiots on this forum those dogs
1) Don't exist
2) Are universally dangerous dogs
3) Are no different to a £50 mongrel from an animal shelter.
Lots more reading for me to do and people to speak to.
Edited by Deep on Tuesday 27th November 07:41
Deep said:
Thanks Carl.
According to some idiots on this forum those dogs
1) Don't exist
2) Are universally dangerous dogs
3) Are no different to a £50 mongrel from an animal shelter.
Lots more reading for me to do and people to speak to.
A trip to one of these sorts of places will soon change there minds. he trains dogs for the police etc. According to some idiots on this forum those dogs
1) Don't exist
2) Are universally dangerous dogs
3) Are no different to a £50 mongrel from an animal shelter.
Lots more reading for me to do and people to speak to.
Edited by Deep on Tuesday 27th November 07:41
Carl
C. Grimsley said:
he trains dogs for the police etc.
Don't think so, although I stand to be corrected.There are only 2 people that I know of who are training dogs for UK police. Both have extensive backgrounds within the police and have access to the correct stud dogs, Home Office training and have the contracts etc.
If I was buying a protection dog, I wouldn't but if I was, it would be a pup. I've seen people pay fousands for trained gun dogs and although the majority have worked out i've seen some just fail due to the dog going straight into the kennel only to be brought out every now and again for a shooting trip. No bonding between master and dog.
OP, get yourself a pup, a highly experienced trainer and a lot of spare time.
OP, get yourself a pup, a highly experienced trainer and a lot of spare time.
What is the legal position on attack dogs, I.e. dogs that can be set upon someone? Unless they are on clearly marked and securely fenced off land I can imagine that non professional owners would be liable to end up in court/have their animal destroyed were they to set their dog upon someone.
It needs to be reasonable force. No different to someone who is a black belt in Judo. They could snap someones neck if they wanted too. There are no specific laws in the UK specifically in relation to Protection Dogs.
This is why protection dogs need handlers and should be kept (within reason) secure and be trained accordingly. The handler has to (assuming the situation allows) use conflict resolution (and should be trained accordingly) in any situation where the dog may be used keeping in mind the Human Rights Act and Common Law. Normally the dog would be used either at the handlers home, in these cases there is slightly more protection offered, especially when the "offender" is on the property in the act of committing a crime, for example robbery.
If the dog is used on the street or at a business then it would generally be looked upon in the same way as any other case of self defence. I.e the police and CPS would consider if the use of force was reasonable, if not then a jury would decide. This is why getting a dog from someone who can offer the correct training is critical as you need to be able to show training records should the worst happen. That said it is very, very rare for a protection dog to be used in anger. Most will live their entire lives without actually having to bite anyone for real.
This is why protection dogs need handlers and should be kept (within reason) secure and be trained accordingly. The handler has to (assuming the situation allows) use conflict resolution (and should be trained accordingly) in any situation where the dog may be used keeping in mind the Human Rights Act and Common Law. Normally the dog would be used either at the handlers home, in these cases there is slightly more protection offered, especially when the "offender" is on the property in the act of committing a crime, for example robbery.
If the dog is used on the street or at a business then it would generally be looked upon in the same way as any other case of self defence. I.e the police and CPS would consider if the use of force was reasonable, if not then a jury would decide. This is why getting a dog from someone who can offer the correct training is critical as you need to be able to show training records should the worst happen. That said it is very, very rare for a protection dog to be used in anger. Most will live their entire lives without actually having to bite anyone for real.
red_slr said:
It needs to be reasonable force. No different to someone who is a black belt in Judo. They could snap someones neck if they wanted too. There are no specific laws in the UK specifically in relation to Protection Dogs.
This is why protection dogs need handlers and should be kept (within reason) secure and be trained accordingly. The handler has to (assuming the situation allows) use conflict resolution (and should be trained accordingly) in any situation where the dog may be used keeping in mind the Human Rights Act and Common Law. Normally the dog would be used either at the handlers home, in these cases there is slightly more protection offered, especially when the "offender" is on the property in the act of committing a crime, for example robbery.
If the dog is used on the street or at a business then it would generally be looked upon in the same way as any other case of self defence. I.e the police and CPS would consider if the use of force was reasonable, if not then a jury would decide. This is why getting a dog from someone who can offer the correct training is critical as you need to be able to show training records should the worst happen. That said it is very, very rare for a protection dog to be used in anger. Most will live their entire lives without actually having to bite anyone for real.
Cheers good answer. This is why protection dogs need handlers and should be kept (within reason) secure and be trained accordingly. The handler has to (assuming the situation allows) use conflict resolution (and should be trained accordingly) in any situation where the dog may be used keeping in mind the Human Rights Act and Common Law. Normally the dog would be used either at the handlers home, in these cases there is slightly more protection offered, especially when the "offender" is on the property in the act of committing a crime, for example robbery.
If the dog is used on the street or at a business then it would generally be looked upon in the same way as any other case of self defence. I.e the police and CPS would consider if the use of force was reasonable, if not then a jury would decide. This is why getting a dog from someone who can offer the correct training is critical as you need to be able to show training records should the worst happen. That said it is very, very rare for a protection dog to be used in anger. Most will live their entire lives without actually having to bite anyone for real.
C. Grimsley said:
Deep said:
Thanks Carl.
According to some idiots on this forum those dogs
1) Don't exist
2) Are universally dangerous dogs
3) Are no different to a £50 mongrel from an animal shelter.
Lots more reading for me to do and people to speak to.
A trip to one of these sorts of places will soon change there minds. he trains dogs for the police etc. According to some idiots on this forum those dogs
1) Don't exist
2) Are universally dangerous dogs
3) Are no different to a £50 mongrel from an animal shelter.
Lots more reading for me to do and people to speak to.
Edited by Deep on Tuesday 27th November 07:41
Carl
We use to sell our horses to the police as well for the mounted division of the police. Find it highly amusing some of these trained officers have no idea. Never seen so many trained people trying to get on a new horse.
With regards to guns and knives, my family has been held up at gun point, phone lines cut to the main farm house and the three cottages also. This is the reason we have this type of dog.
If we have an intruder nowadays i can bring my doberman with me and i know for a fact he will not bite, he will just hold them till police arrive.
There is a huge stigma around family protection dogs with the majority of the uneducated being firmly of the opinion that you can’t have one around the family. ‘They’re only for chavs off the council estate with their stereotypical ‘status dogs’. Or they’re for drug dealers who don’t have families’. This couldn’t be further from the truth.
Family protection dogs can be a fantastic addition to the family. It’s easy for people on here to sit back a judge somebody for wanting one but ask yourself this. What experience do you have of working dogs and what do you actually know about protection dogs? You’re not in their position and so you’re not likely to understand how that person might feel threatened or vulnerable. For all you know they may have been a victim of assault or just recently had their country estate broken into. They might have to work away a lot and leave their young family at home in an rural but affluent area which has just recently undergone a spate of burglaries.
Providing that the company you trust to pair you with a properly trained dog has a good background with real testimonials and good honest recommendations - buying a protection dog can bring you great peace of mind and a good level of security both at home and away from home!
Smart move doing your research first Deep. Relying on good solid advice from people over the internet is not always the most reliable though as I’m sure you can relate to from all of the negativity in most of the responses on this thread. I’d be more than happy to help you if you’d like to know a little more as this is a subject that I have a wealth of experience in.
Family protection dogs can be a fantastic addition to the family. It’s easy for people on here to sit back a judge somebody for wanting one but ask yourself this. What experience do you have of working dogs and what do you actually know about protection dogs? You’re not in their position and so you’re not likely to understand how that person might feel threatened or vulnerable. For all you know they may have been a victim of assault or just recently had their country estate broken into. They might have to work away a lot and leave their young family at home in an rural but affluent area which has just recently undergone a spate of burglaries.
Providing that the company you trust to pair you with a properly trained dog has a good background with real testimonials and good honest recommendations - buying a protection dog can bring you great peace of mind and a good level of security both at home and away from home!
Smart move doing your research first Deep. Relying on good solid advice from people over the internet is not always the most reliable though as I’m sure you can relate to from all of the negativity in most of the responses on this thread. I’d be more than happy to help you if you’d like to know a little more as this is a subject that I have a wealth of experience in.
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