Neutering Male Dog Discussion
Discussion
Just looking for a bit of a discussion regarding neutering a male dog.
We have a Labrador puppy (11.5 months old). We have left him intact, primarily due to wanting to eventually have him as a stud. Having said that, he is primarily a pet so that is the way we look at our decision making. We regularly take him to the local dog park (and have done since he was a brand new puppy).
He has never ever shown a single thought of anything resembling aggression towards another dog young or old, person child or adult, cat, other pets of neighbors etc…in fact anything ever. He is a submissive, well natured, happy-go-lucky puppy…and has been since we got him.
Having said that, a number of dogs have shown aggression towards him (although they tend to show aggression towards other dogs too). The biggest problem I see is that unless another dog tries to rip his throat out (and obviously we intervene before it gets that far…we know the friendly dogs and the not so friendly dogs!) he just thinks they’re playing and he wants to play too. He bounces around, does the ‘play-bow’ etc.
But he is a puppy! A bouncy, playful, happy-go-lucky puppy. Albeit a 100lb puppy!
He does occasionally try to hump another dog (male or female)…but then we see plenty of other dogs try to do the same thing that have had the snip.
There are other older labs at the park and the owners have said that they were boisterous until 2.5/3 years old and then became almost comatose.
My take on his behavior, having watched him interact for nearly 10 months now is the he is just a puppy, full of energy and loves socializing with other people and dogs - all he wants to do is play and he doesn’t understand that when a dog growls at him he needs to back off (despite me regularly removing him from the situation). I also think the fact that he is around 100lb probably makes people concerned - most of the other large dogs at the park are fat, not muscle like he is!
I recently had a much more canine-experienced friend come to stay and he took our dog to the park on a number of occasions and observed his behavior. His views are similar to mine.
When there are certain dogs in the park, I regularly have to keep an eye on him as I know the owners don’t like their dogs playing with them. For example, one lady today didn’t want him playing with her dog (old and arthritic)…yet her dog was seeking out mine to play with! Or the other lady who has 2 dogs, 1 small, 1 larger doesn’t like my dog playing with her little one as she thinks it’s too rough, but has no problem with her dog playing with other small dogs in the same way telling the owners “he’s only playing” etc). Don’t start on the hypocrisy!!!
Someone mentioned to me this morning that perhaps we should consider having him neutered. Interesting thought and I asked why that was said. The other guy (a buddy of mine) said because it will change his behavior.
Now, I’m certainly not God’s gift to dogs, the dog whisperer or anything like that, however when researching the way neutering tends too change behavior characteristics, it sounds like the main driving factor is aggression.
In the dog park, amongst a lot of the owners, there is a culture of “if your dog isn’t neutered then any issues that happen are your fault”. My current opinion doesn’t align with this thought process. This was demonstrated by a Doberman who recently got the chop and has had numerous run-ins with other dogs (I also accept it may take a few months for this to calm down).
Personally, I also am not entirely comfortable with neutering being a default response to any behavioral issue that a dog may exhibit.
As I said at the beginning of this post, we were hoping to have puppies from him - he comes from good lines and his health scores are good (hips and elbows to be determined in a year or so) and with the right mating partner would produce equally good lined pups. If it makes any difference, we would likely be looking for AI rather than natural conception due to the distances involved. The purposes of this thread is to try to gather some opinion and thoughts on neutering a dog.
We are open to the idea, but I just don’t see a behavioral issue that will be cured and given we would like to be part of a breeding improvement program, it would be a shame to do so just because he’s being a rambunctious puppy.
TL;DR:
Discussion about neutering our dog!
We have a Labrador puppy (11.5 months old). We have left him intact, primarily due to wanting to eventually have him as a stud. Having said that, he is primarily a pet so that is the way we look at our decision making. We regularly take him to the local dog park (and have done since he was a brand new puppy).
He has never ever shown a single thought of anything resembling aggression towards another dog young or old, person child or adult, cat, other pets of neighbors etc…in fact anything ever. He is a submissive, well natured, happy-go-lucky puppy…and has been since we got him.
Having said that, a number of dogs have shown aggression towards him (although they tend to show aggression towards other dogs too). The biggest problem I see is that unless another dog tries to rip his throat out (and obviously we intervene before it gets that far…we know the friendly dogs and the not so friendly dogs!) he just thinks they’re playing and he wants to play too. He bounces around, does the ‘play-bow’ etc.
But he is a puppy! A bouncy, playful, happy-go-lucky puppy. Albeit a 100lb puppy!
He does occasionally try to hump another dog (male or female)…but then we see plenty of other dogs try to do the same thing that have had the snip.
There are other older labs at the park and the owners have said that they were boisterous until 2.5/3 years old and then became almost comatose.
My take on his behavior, having watched him interact for nearly 10 months now is the he is just a puppy, full of energy and loves socializing with other people and dogs - all he wants to do is play and he doesn’t understand that when a dog growls at him he needs to back off (despite me regularly removing him from the situation). I also think the fact that he is around 100lb probably makes people concerned - most of the other large dogs at the park are fat, not muscle like he is!
I recently had a much more canine-experienced friend come to stay and he took our dog to the park on a number of occasions and observed his behavior. His views are similar to mine.
When there are certain dogs in the park, I regularly have to keep an eye on him as I know the owners don’t like their dogs playing with them. For example, one lady today didn’t want him playing with her dog (old and arthritic)…yet her dog was seeking out mine to play with! Or the other lady who has 2 dogs, 1 small, 1 larger doesn’t like my dog playing with her little one as she thinks it’s too rough, but has no problem with her dog playing with other small dogs in the same way telling the owners “he’s only playing” etc). Don’t start on the hypocrisy!!!
Someone mentioned to me this morning that perhaps we should consider having him neutered. Interesting thought and I asked why that was said. The other guy (a buddy of mine) said because it will change his behavior.
Now, I’m certainly not God’s gift to dogs, the dog whisperer or anything like that, however when researching the way neutering tends too change behavior characteristics, it sounds like the main driving factor is aggression.
In the dog park, amongst a lot of the owners, there is a culture of “if your dog isn’t neutered then any issues that happen are your fault”. My current opinion doesn’t align with this thought process. This was demonstrated by a Doberman who recently got the chop and has had numerous run-ins with other dogs (I also accept it may take a few months for this to calm down).
Personally, I also am not entirely comfortable with neutering being a default response to any behavioral issue that a dog may exhibit.
As I said at the beginning of this post, we were hoping to have puppies from him - he comes from good lines and his health scores are good (hips and elbows to be determined in a year or so) and with the right mating partner would produce equally good lined pups. If it makes any difference, we would likely be looking for AI rather than natural conception due to the distances involved. The purposes of this thread is to try to gather some opinion and thoughts on neutering a dog.
We are open to the idea, but I just don’t see a behavioral issue that will be cured and given we would like to be part of a breeding improvement program, it would be a shame to do so just because he’s being a rambunctious puppy.
TL;DR:
Discussion about neutering our dog!
Our lab was neutered at an early age (around 6-9 months), but still went through a humping phase, to be honest well into middle age. It's a way of them "sorting out the pack" and establishing a pecking order, not necessarily aggression. Likewise the puppy stage for labs can be a number of years, they do have a lot of energy. Ours is from a working line and at 10 years old is still lean and fit, and has plenty of bounce 
My personal opinion is if you aren't going to use for breeding then all dogs should have the snip. It's a simple, painless and relatively cheap operation so no excuses, and it's not fair on the dog if they are not allowed to act on their urges. Neutering obviously helps to limit these urges.
Obviously in your case you intend to breed, and from what it sounds like your lab is exhibiting perfectly normal behaviour for a lab, neutered or not, so I wouldn't have any concerns. Other than perhaps keeping an eye out when he's around more timid dogs (or owners
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PS. 100lb, bloody hell he must be a big boy, although looking at your profile I see you're US based so I understand they tend to be bigger built over there?
My personal opinion is if you aren't going to use for breeding then all dogs should have the snip. It's a simple, painless and relatively cheap operation so no excuses, and it's not fair on the dog if they are not allowed to act on their urges. Neutering obviously helps to limit these urges.
Obviously in your case you intend to breed, and from what it sounds like your lab is exhibiting perfectly normal behaviour for a lab, neutered or not, so I wouldn't have any concerns. Other than perhaps keeping an eye out when he's around more timid dogs (or owners
)PS. 100lb, bloody hell he must be a big boy, although looking at your profile I see you're US based so I understand they tend to be bigger built over there?
If your not going to breed from him, get him done.
If you are genuinely thinking of breeding I would be seeing a specialist K9 vet to get a full check up on his health, to make sure any puppies he father's would not get any genetic defects he might have. Don't just breed from him because you think hed have nice pups (to many people do this with all types of dogs) or worse thinking it's easy money.
Also 100lb lab is WELL over weight so I assume that's tongue in cheeck
If you are genuinely thinking of breeding I would be seeing a specialist K9 vet to get a full check up on his health, to make sure any puppies he father's would not get any genetic defects he might have. Don't just breed from him because you think hed have nice pups (to many people do this with all types of dogs) or worse thinking it's easy money.
Also 100lb lab is WELL over weight so I assume that's tongue in cheeck
KrazyIvan said:
If you are genuinely thinking of breeding I would be seeing a specialist K9 vet to get a full check up on his health, to make sure any puppies he father's would not get any genetic defects he might have. Don't just breed from him because you think hed have nice pups (to many people do this with all types of dogs) or worse thinking it's easy money.
Also 100lb lab is WELL over weight so I assume that's tongue in cheeck
His genetics have already been done. The hips and elbows can’t be done (reliably) until 24 months. People talk about preliminary tests and breed of dogs younger than that. I am not comfortable with that approach and instead want to wait until we are sure what the score is.Also 100lb lab is WELL over weight so I assume that's tongue in cheeck
With regards to his weight, if he’s not 100lbs, he’s mid nineties (haven’t had him on the scales for about 6 weeks...our home scales are no longer strong enough for me and him combined so he has to go to the vets). Last time was 84.5lbs and he’s definitely put muscle on since then.
I am aware of the ‘breed standard’ and he is comfortably larger than that, but he’s not fat...just big! (And he’s only 11.5 months...a little more bulking up to go I suspect!)
Over the years we have had 3 male Dogs all of them came with and went out of their lives intact. One of them was a Bull Mastiff who was about 45-50kg a real big boy. Non of them were humpers and non of them were overly aggressive . Humping isn't necessarily about aggression it could simply be a b
h on heat in the area. Only in examples of obvious aggression would I consider it. A friend has a really nice Black Lab he is such a lovely boy but he does like to hump a leg and this is after he was "done" some 5 years ago.
h on heat in the area. Only in examples of obvious aggression would I consider it. A friend has a really nice Black Lab he is such a lovely boy but he does like to hump a leg and this is after he was "done" some 5 years ago.We lost an 8 year old black lab last year to prostate cancer that had spread to his spine. He was intact, and the vet felt that that may have contributed to his untimely death.
We've now got an 8 month old male labradoodle (allegedly). I'd like to get him neutered, but don't really know why, or when. I'd quite like him to enjoy his balls while he has them, and I've got my doubts as to whether it will make a difference.
We've now got an 8 month old male labradoodle (allegedly). I'd like to get him neutered, but don't really know why, or when. I'd quite like him to enjoy his balls while he has them, and I've got my doubts as to whether it will make a difference.
s2sol said:
We lost an 8 year old black lab last year to prostate cancer that had spread to his spine. He was intact, and the vet felt that that may have contributed to his untimely death.
We've now got an 8 month old male labradoodle (allegedly). I'd like to get him neutered, but don't really know why, or when. I'd quite like him to enjoy his balls while he has them, and I've got my doubts as to whether it will make a difference.
its impossible to say with certainty if it helps or hinders a dog. You just have to do what you think is best for your friend and I know Bobby our GSD enjoys licking his.We've now got an 8 month old male labradoodle (allegedly). I'd like to get him neutered, but don't really know why, or when. I'd quite like him to enjoy his balls while he has them, and I've got my doubts as to whether it will make a difference.
My experience tells me that getting a dog done lessens their condition and makes them more prone to weight gain.
I never breed from my dogs, in fact I often wonder why some people do, money I suspect. If the dog is unworked or not taking part in some dogs show fiasco then why bother breeding.
That said, they all keep their balls here.
I never breed from my dogs, in fact I often wonder why some people do, money I suspect. If the dog is unworked or not taking part in some dogs show fiasco then why bother breeding.
That said, they all keep their balls here.
s2sol said:
We've now got an 8 month old male labradoodle (allegedly). I'd like to get him neutered, but don't really know why, or when. I'd quite like him to enjoy his balls while he has them, and I've got my doubts as to whether it will make a difference.
But if you’re not going to breed from him then he’s not really going to “enjoy” his balls, is he?Zetec-S said:
s2sol said:
We've now got an 8 month old male labradoodle (allegedly). I'd like to get him neutered, but don't really know why, or when. I'd quite like him to enjoy his balls while he has them, and I've got my doubts as to whether it will make a difference.
But if you’re not going to breed from him then he’s not really going to “enjoy” his balls, is he?
Had plenty of dogs and never had any of them done. Would you like your knackers chopped off?
You bought a Male dog. Let him be Male rather than a eunuch of convenience.
Just my opinion but I live in bumfeck Egypt so interaction with other dogs pretty limited.
All I'll say is that the dog's character WILL change.
You bought a Male dog. Let him be Male rather than a eunuch of convenience.
Just my opinion but I live in bumfeck Egypt so interaction with other dogs pretty limited.
All I'll say is that the dog's character WILL change.
Rosscow said:
Does that mean that all men that don’t want to have children should be castrated?
It sounds like it may come as a surprise to you, but humans as a species have sex for pleasure as well as for procreation Edit: A better example might be to ask whether all men that don’t want children should be forced to wear a chastity belt?
Edited by Zetec-S on Saturday 12th January 10:16
Rosscow said:
Zetec-S said:
But if you’re not going to breed from him then he’s not really going to “enjoy” his balls, is he?
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