Walking dogs off lead, why?

[CAH706]

I always have my dog on a lead when I’m walking where other people are - his recall isn’t perfect and he wants to say hello to everyone which some people don’t like. On the lead I have full control and he can say hello to people who come up to him…. That’s their choice then.

I live in a village and a decent amount of people don’t walk their dogs on the lead. Some dogs are fine and just trot around after their people but others come bounding up to me and my dog. This isn’t great as it gets him excited and usually the other dog too. Reasonably often another dog comes up to us and is aggressive. This is always followed by the owner saying this doesn’t usually happen. I get that at least once per week.

My dog is quite large and black which seems to trigger some dogs but the owners need to have full control at all times. It’s them creating the problem not me.

I’m a dog lover and I like seeing the dogs in my local pubs so I’m happy to engage with them but I get that other people just want to be left alone. It’s all about respect for other people and appreciating that we have different likes in life

[anonymous-user]

Dogs and kids are quite different, I am slightly surprised this connection has been made this way.

[A500leroy]

Antony Moxey said:

Greenbot35 said:

Antony Moxey said:

Are you? I’m happily walking along with a placid dog trotting along minding his own business and we have to move because you’re afraid of a dog invading your personal space? If it affects you that much then YOU move - why should everyone have to change to accommodate you? What makes you think you’re a better person than a dog owner so they have to bow down to your paranoia?

Don't call me paranoid and I never once said i expected dog owners to move for me so get your facts straight!

What i did say was dog owners could be considerate and appreciate other people might be scared or had a bad experience and for a small sacrifice (holding onto and controlling their dog) they remove this discomfort or prefernce.

When I'm driving past cyclists, joggers walkers or horses I slow down and give them room. Its called being considerate, when I'm out on my horse I've lost count of times an out of control dog has lunged or acted aggressively towards her, let me guess though she should be in a field out the way.

Edited by Greenbot35 on Tuesday 21st June 21:30

And maybe not dog owners might appreciate that not every dog is slavering hell hound whose only goal in life is to rip your face off. So if you’re scared or have had a bad experience then perhaps make the sacrifice yourself and give the dog a wide berth - how is it or its owner supposed to know its very existence is likely to turn you into a quivering jelly?

Im gonna wade in here. My workplace is the public streets. Why should I be put at anymore risk than anyone else in their workplace because someone sharing that space isnt considerate enough to walk pooch on a lead?
If I came to your office (weather it be in your home or city centre) and attacked you wouldnt you be rightfully appalled?

All I want to be able to do is do the job im being paid for without being attacked, to much to ask?

Edited by A500leroy on Wednesday 22 June 14:38

[Sporky]

Just to reiterate, your chances of being attacked or killed by a dog are much, much smaller than your chances of being attacked or killed by a person.

So probably its a good idea to put the people on a lead, and have the dogs be in charge.

I'm also in favour of dogs being on the lead when there are lots of people around (and near roads) , and being allowed off in the woods and such. All about balance.

[theplayingmantis]

CAH706 said:

I always have my dog on a lead when I’m walking where other people are - his recall isn’t perfect and he wants to say hello to everyone which some people don’t like. On the lead I have full control and he can say hello to people who come up to him…. That’s their choice then.

I live in a village and a decent amount of people don’t walk their dogs on the lead. Some dogs are fine and just trot around after their people but others come bounding up to me and my dog. This isn’t great as it gets him excited and usually the other dog too. Reasonably often another dog comes up to us and is aggressive. This is always followed by the owner saying this doesn’t usually happen. I get that at least once per week.

My dog is quite large and black which seems to trigger some dogs but the owners need to have full control at all times. It’s them creating the problem not me.

I’m a dog lover and I like seeing the dogs in my local pubs so I’m happy to engage with them but I get that other people just want to be left alone. It’s all about respect for other people and appreciating that we have different likes in life

This above post should close this awful thread.

A bit of consideration for others and give and take dependent on the situation that's all the on leaders want.

A mantra for how most normal people live there life, yet zealots on both sides simply arguing, (perhaps simply because there bored in some cases on here, perhaps there striking on the cover of safety when in fact they want a selfish out of proportion, funded by the magic tree wage increase due to geopolitical issues impacting most of the world, not understanding that if it were granted would exasperate the situation even more, but that's a different coloured horse completely and for another toxic thread...).
Hate to come across them on the roads, i bet they are the non merge in turners, not keeping left, and road captain not allowing anyone to overtake.

Lack of selfishness and not being so entitled is needed yet this thread highlights what PH has become and society to an extent, selfish entitled, inconsiderate for others potential feelings, yet those who advocate this are shouted down as animal haters. Why is everything so polarized now.

[Ice_blue_tvr]

Sporky said:

Just to reiterate, your chances of being attacked or killed by a dog are much, much smaller than your chances of being attacked or killed by a person.

Reiterating doesn't make it true in my experience.

[Sporky]

Ice_blue_tvr said:

Sporky said:

Just to reiterate, your chances of being attacked or killed by a dog are much, much smaller than your chances of being attacked or killed by a person.

Reiterating doesn't make it true in my experience.

Your experience is not statistically significant.

[Ice_blue_tvr]

Sporky said:

Your experience is not statistically significant.

Have you got the stats?

[Antony Moxey]

A500leroy said:

Im gonna wade in here. My workplace is the public streets. Why should I be put at anymore risk than anyone else in their workplace because someone sharing that space isnt considerate enough to walk pooch on a lead?
If I came to your office (weather it be in your home or city centre) and attacked you wouldnt you be rightfully appalled?

All I want to be able to do is do the job im being paid for without being attacked, to much to ask?

Edited by A500leroy on Wednesday 22 June 14:38

Don’t be such a drama queen. You are not at risk from my dog, so if your round includes my house you’ll be going about your business in complete safety. However it seems it’s you that should be on a lead if you’re going round attacking people, it sounds like you’re more inclined to do so than my dog is.

[Sporky]

Ice_blue_tvr said:

Have you got the stats?

Yup. National office of statistics publishes them, they're online and publicly accessible.

For deaths, 2021 had 4 killings by dogs vs 594 homicides by people.

[A500leroy]

Antony Moxey said:

A500leroy said:

Im gonna wade in here. My workplace is the public streets. Why should I be put at anymore risk than anyone else in their workplace because someone sharing that space isnt considerate enough to walk pooch on a lead?
If I came to your office (weather it be in your home or city centre) and attacked you wouldnt you be rightfully appalled?

All I want to be able to do is do the job im being paid for without being attacked, to much to ask?

Edited by A500leroy on Wednesday 22 June 14:38

Don’t be such a drama queen. You are not at risk from my dog, so if your round includes my house you’ll be going about your business in complete safety. However it seems it’s you that should be on a lead if you’re going round attacking people, it sounds like you’re more inclined to do so than my dog is.

So my collegue whom got taken to hospital a few month back with half his thigh missing because someones rotty was 'off lead' being shouted back and ignored his owner was being a drama queen?

[Ice_blue_tvr]

Sporky said:

Yup. National office of statistics publishes them, they're online and publicly accessible.

For deaths, 2021 had 4 killings by dogs vs 594 homicides by people.

Death is a bit extreme. I haven't been following for a few pages, but hopefully the arguments haven't reached this extreme.

My beef was with being chased and my kids being pushed over by over friendly dogs tbf - none of which were to the point I would have reported them, so wouldn't really count in any stats.

There's probably some middle ground on both sides (hopefully).

[Sporky]

Ice_blue_tvr said:

Death is a bit extreme. I haven't been following for a few pages, but hopefully the arguments haven't reached this extreme.

My beef was with being chased and my kids being pushed over by over friendly dogs tbf - none of which were to the point I would have reported them, so wouldn't really count in any stats.

There's probably some middle ground on both sides (hopefully).

While I accept it's (at least) unpleasant to be chased and pushed over by a dog - no matter how friendly it thinks its being - and the owners should be taking better care and being more considerate, that's not what I envisaged by "attacked".

I am absolutely with you on middle ground. One of ours is over friendly (improving with training), so we put her on the lead for anyone looking at all nervous, or joggers and cyclists and horses, and anyone else we think might prefer not to be bothered.

[Antony Moxey]

A500leroy said:

Antony Moxey said:

A500leroy said:

Im gonna wade in here. My workplace is the public streets. Why should I be put at anymore risk than anyone else in their workplace because someone sharing that space isnt considerate enough to walk pooch on a lead?
If I came to your office (weather it be in your home or city centre) and attacked you wouldnt you be rightfully appalled?

All I want to be able to do is do the job im being paid for without being attacked, to much to ask?

Edited by A500leroy on Wednesday 22 June 14:38

Don’t be such a drama queen. You are not at risk from my dog, so if your round includes my house you’ll be going about your business in complete safety. However it seems it’s you that should be on a lead if you’re going round attacking people, it sounds like you’re more inclined to do so than my dog is.

So my collegue whom got taken to hospital a few month back with half his thigh missing because someones rotty was 'off lead' being shouted back and ignored his owner was being a drama queen?

No, but you are.

[Sporky]

A500leroy said:

So my collegue whom got taken to hospital a few month back with half his thigh missing because someones rotty was 'off lead' being shouted back and ignored his owner was being a drama queen?

Custard or it didn't happen.

[A500leroy]

Sporky said:

A500leroy said:

So my collegue whom got taken to hospital a few month back with half his thigh missing because someones rotty was 'off lead' being shouted back and ignored his owner was being a drama queen?

Custard or it didn't happen.

Obviously I cant do that as it happened earlier this year, but a quick google brings this up.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/postwoman-taken-to-...

[Thevet]

So, there are many different dogs out there, many differnt owners, and it is not possible to please all of them all the time. THINK first, if almost any dog came up and challenged my stupid rottie, his muscle power could do such serious damage, but because I value him, I won't let him do the running up "I wanna play" st because he is intimidating. I get peeved at people who think that their dog is perfectly unlikely to try and meet my muppet.....but it can and will eventually happen. Humpf so uch of this is simple manners, would you allow your dog to cause such problems with family or friends........maybe some people don't have others the value or respect. So, do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.
If your dog cannot behave perfectly, show some decency and keep it close. My dog has no sense of decorum and charges up to everyone, so he is on a lead unless there is a big open clear space ahead, but I'm always awake to "intruders" on the horizon because I care about him amd the others on the horizon.

[blade7]

Thevet said:

THINK first, if almost any dog came up and challenged my stupid rottie, his muscle power could do such serious damage, but because I value him, I won't let him do the running up "I wanna play" st because he is intimidating.

I like Rotties, and in my experience they are usually pretty mild mannered. But if I was you I wouldn't be making statements about what my dog could do. I considered rehoming a male Caucasian Shepherd a few years ago, but decided the breed could be over protective. That was a much more intimidating breed IMO.

[Thevet]

blade7 said:

I like Rotties, and in my experience they are usually pretty mild mannered. But if I was you I wouldn't be making statements about what my dog could do. I considered rehoming a male Caucasian Shepherd a few years ago, but decided the breed could be over protective. That was a much more intimidating breed IMO.

Thankfully you are not me, and I said simply what a big dog can do if it went wrong. It does not matter which is the more intimidating breed, it matters the nature of the individual, from chihuahua to st bernard. Last dog to bite me was a rottie, but my two have been superb family dogs.

[blade7]

Thevet said:

blade7 said:

I like Rotties, and in my experience they are usually pretty mild mannered. But if I was you I wouldn't be making statements about what my dog could do. I considered rehoming a male Caucasian Shepherd a few years ago, but decided the breed could be over protective. That was a much more intimidating breed IMO.

Thankfully you are not me, and I said simply what a big dog can do if it went wrong. It does not matter which is the more intimidating breed, it matters the nature of the individual, from chihuahua to st bernard. Last dog to bite me was a rottie, but my two have been superb family dogs.

Not quite what you wrote though, is it. You claimed your dog could best almost any dog, and how intimidating it is. I simply introduced one of several breeds that debunks your theory. Thankfully I don't feel the need to post some macho twaddle about what my dog could do either.