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retrobob said:
I won't name the airport because the planes come in sometimes with these problems and it was across most airlines.
As you know in the airline industry the planes land and the quicker they turn them around and get going again the more money can made so little things go unnoticed unless you are right up close.
Usually the Pilot or the Engineer come out and do a walk around but say if a fuel door is missing I have not seen anything done while I have been standing there.
I think bird strikes must get reported because a crew usually come out and tape them up if they are a dint.
And what 'airliner' did you see with fuel caps left off? As you know in the airline industry the planes land and the quicker they turn them around and get going again the more money can made so little things go unnoticed unless you are right up close.
Usually the Pilot or the Engineer come out and do a walk around but say if a fuel door is missing I have not seen anything done while I have been standing there.
I think bird strikes must get reported because a crew usually come out and tape them up if they are a dint.
Tape on bird strikes? Right.
Having had 3 such strikes in my 15+ years flying aircraft which travel substantially quicker than 200mph, and witnessed the damage caused, please allow me to call bulls
t of the highest order.retrobob said:
I think bird strikes must get reported because a crew usually come out and tape them up if they are a dint.
If you're any further up the chain than the food truck, then the law binds you to report everything non-standard/compliant to the relevant authority. Failure to do so can, and has been used to press criminal charges, and more leniently, revocation of qualifications. That is, of course, you have any.
Edited by ETOPS on Wednesday 10th October 15:48
What you get from reading this thread is a sense of willful ignorance. Pilots, engineers & knowledgeable amateurs have all been in here, patiently explaining how this or that works & lo & behold, two or three posts later, someone will come along & assert that it's all wichcraft & we're all doomed to die in a flaming plunge from 30,000 feet.
Tiresome ignorance is tiresome.
Tiresome ignorance is tiresome.
retrobob said:
ETOPS said:
If you're any further up the chain than the food truck, then the law binds you to report everything non-standard/compliant to the relevant authority. Failure to do so can, and has been used to press criminal charges, and more leniently, revocation of qualifications. That is, of course, you have any.
Edited by ETOPS on Wednesday 10th October 15:48
Again, you would know this, if you had the faintest clue about what you're professing to be witness to.
Incidentally, I fairly recently saw a Middle Eastern 777-300ER (which happens to be an aircraft I know a couple of facts about), which had been struck by hail following the failure of its weather radar.
Some leading edge surfaces looked like that rubbish 'fine' side of a cheese grater. Windshields cracked, etc. hey gaffs tape will probably cover it. Definitely overkill to put it in maintenance for several weeks.
He'll, I wonder what a couple of geese would do, if that's what a few blobs of hail achieved?
At least they screwed the fuel filler cap on though, ey? Hate to have fuel gushing out of the hole, while yanking and banking.
retrobob said:
Fuel caps left off happened enough that it raised concern with me but as you are an expert you would know that it doesn't affect the fuel as such and I guess they fix that at the next service.
The bird strike I saw was down near the rear flaps and I'm not an aircraft engineer but they definitely delayed the flight while a ground crew was taping it.
First paragraph, what aircraft.The bird strike I saw was down near the rear flaps and I'm not an aircraft engineer but they definitely delayed the flight while a ground crew was taping it.
Edited by retrobob on Wednesday 10th October 15:57
Second paragraph, rear flaps? Not familiar with these.
retrobob said:
I think you are putting words into my mouth there so I can't answer that.
With the utterly irrelevant comment all my work is audited by the major airlines > is yours?
Erm, yes. At least by one major airline. And aviation authority. I'm also answerable to every aviation authority around the world, who's airspace I enter.With the utterly irrelevant comment all my work is audited by the major airlines > is yours?
What you said about your post is utterly irrelevant. You have a lawful obligation to report.
What heavily audited work a you responsible for presenting to 'the major airlines'?
Your station is (apparently) up from driving the honey truck around, and operationally, there aren't a huge number of authority accountable positions above terd-tanker which wouldn't have legal obligations mentioned.
Edited by ETOPS on Wednesday 10th October 16:14
retrobob said:
ETOPS said:
Erm, yes. At least by one major airline. And aviation authority. I'm also answerable to every aviation authority around the world, who's airspace I enter.
What you said about your post is utterly irrelevant. You have a lawful obligation to report.
Not my job > I'm already doing another job and just observing things around me.What you said about your post is utterly irrelevant. You have a lawful obligation to report.
I don't speak airline jargon but you would know before takeoff an engineer does a walk around so maybe it's his job to report these things but it aint mine.
Carry on.
retrobob said:
Here is the Helicopter Tape >
http://www.vikingtapes.co.uk/Aerospace/3M_Helicopt...
Can also be used on >
Body panels on race cars
Ground effects
Top Fuel wings
Tailgates
Trailer walls
Sprint car wings
Roll cages
Toolboxes
Headlights
Wheel wells
Door & Trunk locks
Door edges
Hood edges
You can call it 'Starship Enterprise tape', you still won't find it on an airliner. A helicopter is a different proposition. You said airliner.http://www.vikingtapes.co.uk/Aerospace/3M_Helicopt...
Can also be used on >
Body panels on race cars
Ground effects
Top Fuel wings
Tailgates
Trailer walls
Sprint car wings
Roll cages
Toolboxes
Headlights
Wheel wells
Door & Trunk locks
Door edges
Hood edges
Lovely list, which includes precisely no aerospace uses. Probably used to patch up the toolbox which carries to tools to repair the bird strike on the leading edge wing, though.
Again, what airliner did you see missing fuel filler caps/wonder tape covering up a bird strike (
)?Edited by ETOPS on Wednesday 10th October 16:30
Rawwr said:
The great thing about plane crashes is that they tend to be a fairly black and white issue when it comes to survival.
A friend of a friend is a pilot with Cathay Pacific. He once told me that if he flies twice a day for five days a week, then statistically he wouldn't crash for 27,000 Years and even then statistically he'd survive. Edinburger said:
Rawwr said:
The great thing about plane crashes is that they tend to be a fairly black and white issue when it comes to survival.
A friend of a friend is a pilot with Cathay Pacific. He once told me that if he flies twice a day for five days a week, then statistically he wouldn't crash for 27,000 Years and even then statistically he'd survive. 
retrobob said:
My boss knows someone in catering and every so often they pull up side by side on one of the roads that go around the perimeter and we get given delicious Carrot Cake.
Jesus, if your boss knows someone who can deliver cake, then you must be in a position to question aerospace engineering techniques.retrobob said:
The airliners with missing fuel caps would come under various 737's etc > the bird strike from memory was a short haul but I can't remember now.
I know what Helicopter tape is used for > I was showing other posters.
BullsI know what Helicopter tape is used for > I was showing other posters.
t confirmed. No Boeing/Airbus have removable filler caps.
Any more gems?
retrobob said:
Right we agree to disagree.
You are wrong on the caps though.
No Boeing I've operated has these mysterious removable fuel caps. They all have a fuel panel which you open then attach the fuel nozzle and open the valves with switches, after selecting the amount of fuel you want on the panel. No removable fuel caps. Airbus is the same.You are wrong on the caps though.
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