Should you be allowed to recline seat if big person behind?
Discussion
p4cks said:
She is overweight, which was her choice
She was on that flight in that seat, which was her choice
She was out the night before getting w
kered and was hungover that morning, which was her choice
She reacted very poorly, which was her choice
I'm struggling to see it any other way.
You may want to see how it was reported. 'Lashed out'.....really? The reporting style was not her choice.She was on that flight in that seat, which was her choice
She was out the night before getting w
kered and was hungover that morning, which was her choiceShe reacted very poorly, which was her choice
I'm struggling to see it any other way.
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I think a gentle recline is fair enough to add to the comfort, or full if asking the person behind.
One occasion the lady next to me had her laptop screen cracked by someone launching the seat back. Other time it was my forearm that prevented my son having a head injury by someone doing the same
(he was 18months so lovely 9hour flight on my lap)
Yeah, I'm on the mindset, particularly on long haul that I will recline my seat, my mindset is that I have paid bare minimum for the seats, as has everyone around me, so I will be happy with what I have, & make the most of it.One occasion the lady next to me had her laptop screen cracked by someone launching the seat back. Other time it was my forearm that prevented my son having a head injury by someone doing the same
(he was 18months so lovely 9hour flight on my lap)However where consideration is due is gently reclining, I've had a drink tip over on my tray table after the person in front slammed their seat back, I like to think that by inching it back somewhat gradually you at least minimise the chances of tipped drinks,bumped hands or trapped fingers, even if you are slightly disturbing their in flight entertainment a bit more.
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Edited by caelite on Sunday 25th August 00:57
Of the facility exists to recline your seat then you are at liberty to recline your seat. If you are tall I have sympathy for you if the person in front does it but thems the breaks. I am tall.
If you are fat then tough st fatty, you should have thought about this when you were ticking into those pies.
There are times to be careful and considerate however. During the meal is a bad time, when the person behind is in the toilet a good one.
But the bottom line is, if someone paid for a seat that reclines, the person behind them has no right to demand that they don't.
If you are fat then tough s
t fatty, you should have thought about this when you were ticking into those pies.There are times to be careful and considerate however. During the meal is a bad time, when the person behind is in the toilet a good one.
But the bottom line is, if someone paid for a seat that reclines, the person behind them has no right to demand that they don't.
NormalWisdom said:
All this "I think is is inconsiderate" is utter bull.
The seats have a recline facility. That makes the seating slightly more bearable for most. If some inconsiderate chump refuses to recline their seat they are making it less comfortable for the majority. If everyone reclined their seats all "personal space" would remain the same as it is if they remained upright (perhaps slightly more given the less acute angle!).
I don’t even understand the anger behind it all... if the dude in front of me wants to recline, he’s free to do it! In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t really make much difference to me. It doesn’t affect leg room on newer planes as the mechanism shuffles their base forward at the same time. I’m well over 6ft so already it’s not that great, but reclining a few inches doesn’t make it any worse.The seats have a recline facility. That makes the seating slightly more bearable for most. If some inconsiderate chump refuses to recline their seat they are making it less comfortable for the majority. If everyone reclined their seats all "personal space" would remain the same as it is if they remained upright (perhaps slightly more given the less acute angle!).
It really doesn’t cross my mind to roll me eyes and get the hump with the guy in front for wanting to kick back a bit.
Otispunkmeyer said:
It doesn’t affect leg room on newer planes as the mechanism shuffles their base forward at the same time.
I haven't seen these, where have you seen these seats on aircraft? Most airlines are looking at getting rid of the recline function completely in economy because it causes so much problems, not installing seats with a moveable base. Stigproducts said:
Of the facility exists to recline your seat then you are at liberty to recline your seat. If you are tall I have sympathy for you if the person in front does it but thems the breaks. I am tall.
If you are fat then tough st fatty, you should have thought about this when you were ticking into those pies.
There are times to be careful and considerate however. During the meal is a bad time, when the person behind is in the toilet a good one.
But the bottom line is, if someone paid for a seat that reclines, the person behind them has no right to demand that they don't.
There are plenty of things you CAN do, or be at liberty to do in life, that are inconsiderate to others. Especially on an aircraft with not much room. If you are fat then tough s
t fatty, you should have thought about this when you were ticking into those pies.There are times to be careful and considerate however. During the meal is a bad time, when the person behind is in the toilet a good one.
But the bottom line is, if someone paid for a seat that reclines, the person behind them has no right to demand that they don't.
It’s not about whether you’re allowed to recline your seat, everyone knows you’re allowed to recline your seat, it’s about whether that’s showing selfishness and inconsideration towards others.
Reclining seats in economy constantly causes trouble on flights and most airlines are doing away with the recline function on short haul aircraft. It’s even being looked at on long haul now too.
El stovey said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
It doesn’t affect leg room on newer planes as the mechanism shuffles their base forward at the same time.
I haven't seen these, where have you seen these seats on aircraft? Most airlines are looking at getting rid of the recline function completely in economy because it causes so much problems, not installing seats with a moveable base. Either way, I’m 6ft 3, long legged and I’ve never really had a problem with people reclining. They don’t make it any less comfortable for me. That’s not to say I was comfortable to begin with, I generally find economy incredibly uncomfortable!
Ryan air are the worst as it feels like their seats are beyond bolt upright, like you’re actually sitting leaning forwards. It’s like one of them SAS pressure positions.
El stovey said:
Stigproducts said:
Of the facility exists to recline your seat then you are at liberty to recline your seat. If you are tall I have sympathy for you if the person in front does it but thems the breaks. I am tall.
If you are fat then tough st fatty, you should have thought about this when you were ticking into those pies.
There are times to be careful and considerate however. During the meal is a bad time, when the person behind is in the toilet a good one.
But the bottom line is, if someone paid for a seat that reclines, the person behind them has no right to demand that they don't.
There are plenty of things you CAN do, or be at liberty to do in life, that are inconsiderate to others. Especially on an aircraft with not much room. If you are fat then tough s
t fatty, you should have thought about this when you were ticking into those pies.There are times to be careful and considerate however. During the meal is a bad time, when the person behind is in the toilet a good one.
But the bottom line is, if someone paid for a seat that reclines, the person behind them has no right to demand that they don't.
It’s not about whether you’re allowed to recline your seat, everyone knows you’re allowed to recline your seat, it’s about whether that’s showing selfishness and inconsideration towards others.
Reclining seats in economy constantly causes trouble on flights and most airlines are doing away with the recline function on short haul aircraft. It’s even being looked at on long haul now too.
This is the whole problem, some think reclining is inconsiderate, some think the opposite is inconsiderate and then you have those who just don’t care about anyone but themselves. For me, we’re all in the economy s
t house together. If the guy in front wants to recline to make life a bit better for the next 12 hours...he can be my guest. It’s no skin of my nose.Otispunkmeyer said:
I think it’s inconsiderate not to allow the person in front a little comfort if they want/need it. Even more so if you’re going to actively restrict their option.
This is the whole problem, some think reclining is inconsiderate, some think the opposite is inconsiderate and then you have those who just don’t care about anyone but themselves. For me, we’re all in the economy st house together. If the guy in front wants to recline to make life a bit better for the next 12 hours...he can be my guest. It’s no skin of my nose.
Yes that’s the issue everyone thinks differently, as the threads shows, but the end result is that it causes problems between passengers.This is the whole problem, some think reclining is inconsiderate, some think the opposite is inconsiderate and then you have those who just don’t care about anyone but themselves. For me, we’re all in the economy s
t house together. If the guy in front wants to recline to make life a bit better for the next 12 hours...he can be my guest. It’s no skin of my nose.Making seats thinner and narrower but keeping the same pitch and then ALSO having a recline function causes enough trouble already for the function to be removed completely on many short haul aircraft and airlines to be looking at it for long haul.
Evanivitch said:
Stigproducts said:
But the bottom line is, if someone paid for a seat that reclines, the person behind them has no right to demand that they don't.
But I also paid for my face-space. Why do they get to rob it?I think the great big school teacher of the seats needs to do what they did with 5 year olds. Remove the function so no one can use it.
Evanivitch said:
But I also paid for my face-space. Why do they get to rob it?
Arguably they haven’t they’ve just displaced it as you can also recline as can everyone else. If everyone reclines or no one reclines it works fine. Personally I’d opt for no recline since it causes strife and more work for the cabin crew as they deal with knobs who recline during drink and food service etc.If it is there it can be used. It is not compulsory, but it is allowable.
It is all about comfort. 9 hours in any seat, in 1 position gets uncomfortable. I adjust my seat for my comfort, as everybody else has the same option. It is nothing at all to do with anything other than comfort.
I find personal hygiene and attitudes far more of an issue than reclining an inch or so.
Objecting to sombeody else reclining their seat is just as selfish as somebody reclining theirs.
As always, if you don't like the conditions, don't use them, fly in a better class or choose an airline with seats that dont move. I would always choose an airline WITH recliners. I much prefer the chance to adjust my seating position.
On short haul it is different.
It is all about comfort. 9 hours in any seat, in 1 position gets uncomfortable. I adjust my seat for my comfort, as everybody else has the same option. It is nothing at all to do with anything other than comfort.
I find personal hygiene and attitudes far more of an issue than reclining an inch or so.
Objecting to sombeody else reclining their seat is just as selfish as somebody reclining theirs.
As always, if you don't like the conditions, don't use them, fly in a better class or choose an airline with seats that dont move. I would always choose an airline WITH recliners. I much prefer the chance to adjust my seating position.
On short haul it is different.
djc206 said:
Evanivitch said:
But I also paid for my face-space. Why do they get to rob it?
Arguably they haven’t they’ve just displaced it as you can also recline as can everyone else. If everyone reclines or no one reclines it works fine. Personally I’d opt for no recline since it causes strife and more work for the cabin crew as they deal with knobs who recline during drink and food service etc.Evanivitch said:
But what if everyone can't recline? The person in front does it completely ignorant of the circumstances happening behind them.
Pretty much all seats recline except occasionally the very back row. Anyway as I clearly stated I don’t think any should recline, it just causes too much trouble for the extremely limited difference it makes to passenger comfort when packed in on all sides. It’s one of the many reasons I don’t ever fly economy on long haul flights. If something as trivial as someone reclining their seat a couple of inches can make me angry (and it does) then clearly I’m better off paying a bit more for a better seat and lower blood pressure.I travel a lot and am tall, so don't want my knees crushed by someone ahead.
If I do not get an upgrade to business, I will already have used SeatGuru to check out the configuration of the aircraft I am on, and normally go for the escape row or the aisle seat behind the escape row, since escape row seats cannot recline, There is a big difference in the seat you choose, and there are many variations in personal space in a 777 or 787 for instance.
For longer haul ( 5 house plus) I generally book a lie flat in business class at which the issue is moot, but in economy I never recline my seat under any circumstance.
If I do not get an upgrade to business, I will already have used SeatGuru to check out the configuration of the aircraft I am on, and normally go for the escape row or the aisle seat behind the escape row, since escape row seats cannot recline, There is a big difference in the seat you choose, and there are many variations in personal space in a 777 or 787 for instance.
For longer haul ( 5 house plus) I generally book a lie flat in business class at which the issue is moot, but in economy I never recline my seat under any circumstance.
LuS1fer said:
Consideration is the key. If someone reclines a seat into my limited space, that is "my space" so I have the right to continually tap out Under Pressure on the back of their seat or the tray because that's "my tray".
Fortunately, most cattle class planes have abolished it and, in fairness, I can't recall the last time anyone was that inconsiderate.
It's not "your space". The passenger sitting in front of you has paid the airline for the use of the space into which their seat reclines, just as you have paid the airline for the space into which your seat reclines.Fortunately, most cattle class planes have abolished it and, in fairness, I can't recall the last time anyone was that inconsiderate.
My view is that people should put their seats up during meal service, but at any other time, it's incredibly arrogant to expect someone sitting in front of you not to use the reclining function for which they've paid just so that you can have some of their space.
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