Should you be allowed to recline seat if big person behind?

[CoolHands]

There seem to be a lot of tall people on this thread. But the average height of a man in uk is 5’9.

[Kermit power]

CoolHands said:

There seem to be a lot of tall people on this thread. But the average height of a man in uk is 5’9.

That's because it's really only tall people who are inconvenienced by this, and people are more vocal when they've got something to complain about.

[captain_cynic]

CoolHands said:

There seem to be a lot of tall people on this thread. But the average height of a man in uk is 5’9.

You don't have to be tall to be squashed by some inconsiderate dotard with how tightly packed seats are on modem planes.

Seats that reclined backwards were designed for the days where 34" pitch and 19" width were the standard in economy.

Airlines are correcting this with limited or no recline or articulated seat pans.

[djc206]

CoolHands said:

There seem to be a lot of tall people on this thread. But the average height of a man in uk is 5’9.

Older folks tend to be a bit smaller. In the 60’s the average man was 5’7.5” so it’ll be skewed a bit by the older folks from that era. Add in that you shrink by 1-2 inches as you get older and it’s not hard to believe that actually most young blokes are probably more like 5’10-5’11.

I’m 6ft and I generally don’t feel taller than average, except when I went to Liverpool recently I was several inches taller than pretty much everyone in a pub on match day except my southern mates. Thinking back I went out with a welsh girl when I was uni and most of the blokes in the valleys seemed to be fairly short and stocky too.

[Countdown]

CoolHands said:

There seem to be a lot of tall people on this thread. But the average height of a man in uk is 5’9.

On PH everybody is 6ft 5" and earns six figs

[Coilspring]

Countdown said:

On PH everybody is 6ft 5" and earns six figs

And still fly in economy

[768]

Because a 6 figure income is basically the same as winning Euromillions every week.

Business class is fine on the right route on the right plane, without the kids. It isn't always an option even for the GC.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Coilspring said:

Countdown said:

On PH everybody is 6ft 5" and earns six figs

And still fly in economy

Not exactly. Shorthaul business usually has the same seat pitch as shorthaul economy and often has the same issues.

The characterisation of this topic is just being just about the "powerfully built" is puerile.

When you fly on a commercial airline you are automatically within a confined space with limited room. Showing some consideration to the other people around you is just a matter of being polite.

Does that mean you can't reasonably adjust/recline your seat on a 12 hour flight to Singapore after the person behind has eaten their meal - of course not.

But should you be reclining whilst the person behind you just is finishing their drink/meal on a 1 hr 40 min flight to Geneva. Probably not.

There are no hard and fast rules. But I suspect what most people object to is being close to people who show no consideration to the other people they are sharing the space with.

[CoolHands]

But your only saying it shows no consideration because you’re not getting what you want.

They want to recline to get what they want (perhaps more comfort). That stops you getting what you want (more space) . You say that is inconsiderate. But it is equally inconsiderate for you to think that your priority is of higher importance than theirs.

[LimaDelta]

CoolHands said:

There seem to be a lot of tall people on this thread. But the average height of a man in uk is 5’9.

Yes, but all the shorties are up in business class compensating for their inferiority complexes.

[Coilspring]

CoolHands said:

But your only saying it shows no consideration because you’re not getting what you want.

They want to recline to get what they want (perhaps more comfort). That stops you getting what you want (more space) . You say that is inconsiderate. But it is equally inconsiderate for you to think that your priority is of higher importance than theirs.

Agree.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Coilspring said:

CoolHands said:

But your only saying it shows no consideration because you’re not getting what you want.

They want to recline to get what they want (perhaps more comfort). That stops you getting what you want (more space) . You say that is inconsiderate. But it is equally inconsiderate for you to think that your priority is of higher importance than theirs.

Agree.

Not at all. As El Stovey mentioned earlier in the thread, there are lots of examples where showing a little consideration for those around you makes the time spent in a confined metal tube a little more bearable.

[227bhp]

That button needs either removing, locking (to be unlocked after consent of the person behind) or only accessible from the person behind.

[djc206]

CoolHands said:

But your only saying it shows no consideration because you’re not getting what you want.

They want to recline to get what they want (perhaps more comfort). That stops you getting what you want (more space) . You say that is inconsiderate. But it is equally inconsiderate for you to think that your priority is of higher importance than theirs.

If you haven’t considered the comfort of the person behind you and only yours then it is very much the definition of inconsiderate. If you’ve considered them and concluded that it’s an appropriate time then it’s not inconsiderate.

Anyone reclining a seat during a meal service is an inconsiderate bell end there’s simply no argument to be made to the contrary. They’ve made someone else considerably less comfortable for the sake of a tiny gain in their own comfort when they could have waited 15 mins until they’d finished and then reclined. Basically the same as every other aspect of life, don’t be a dick.

[shtu]

djc206 said:

Anyone reclining a seat during a meal service is an inconsiderate bell end there’s simply no argument to be made to the contrary.

I think most would agree that's pretty inconsiderate, particularly as they usually go on to spend the entire time leant forward so they can actually reach their food. But usually a quick tap on the shoulder and a winning smile sorts that one. And if it doesn't? Well, tough.


There's various arguments about not reclining if the person behind you is 7ft tall or whatever, and yes, a bit of cooperation and courtesy goes a long way there too. But the arguments to try and impose some sort of ruling are a bit bogus. It's not like any of you had a sudden growth spurt after you bought the ticket, now is it?


Paraphrasing one argument made,
"I'm 6ft+, so everyone around me must also be cramped to make up for the fact that I don't fit."


Boggo Economy IS cramped and uncomfortable. For everyone. But there isn't a special tall person section. Same as there isn't a fat person section, or a screaming baby section (though we all wish there was one of those, preferably in the hold. ).

If you feel you want or need more space than you get on a boggo economy ticket, (and that includes the recline facilities that other passengers have, same as you get), then pay for more space. If you can't or won't do that, you've no choice to suck it up.

And if you genuinely can't abide those around you making the best of the pretty poor situation you're all in, instead demanding that everyone else be more uncomfortable for your benefit, then maybe public transport just isn't for you.

[djc206]

shtu said:

I think most would agree that's pretty inconsiderate, particularly as they usually go on to spend the entire time leant forward so they can actually reach their food. But usually a quick tap on the shoulder and a winning smile sorts that one. And if it doesn't? Well, tough.


There's various arguments about not reclining if the person behind you is 7ft tall or whatever, and yes, a bit of cooperation and courtesy goes a long way there too. But the arguments to try and impose some sort of ruling are a bit bogus. It's not like any of you had a sudden growth spurt after you bought the ticket, now is it?


Paraphrasing one argument made,
"I'm 6ft+, so everyone around me must also be cramped to make up for the fact that I don't fit."


Boggo Economy IS cramped and uncomfortable. For everyone. But there isn't a special tall person section. Same as there isn't a fat person section, or a screaming baby section (though we all wish there was one of those, preferably in the hold. ).

If you feel you want or need more space than you get on a boggo economy ticket, (and that includes the recline facilities that other passengers have, same as you get), then pay for more space. If you can't or won't do that, you've no choice to suck it up.

And if you genuinely can't abide those around you making the best of the pretty poor situation you're all in, instead demanding that everyone else be more uncomfortable for your benefit, then maybe public transport just isn't for you.

Quite agree. None of us who are able bodied should expect any sort of special treatment, I think most of us simply agree a bit of common courtesy is all that is required but common sense and courtesy seem to evaporate the moment you walk through the doors of airport. There is a bewildering array of stupidity on show at airports and aircraft that I’m sure doesn’t exist elsewhere.

I can’t help but think some on here who claim they have the right to recline at will because they have paid for their seat are the sort of people who charge into situations on the road because they have right of way, sound their horns, gesticulate and then shout caaammmmrrrraaa. They are in a way correct but they’re still wkers. A normal human understands the need for a bit of give and take.

[Coilspring]

djc206 said:

Quite agree. None of us who are able bodied should expect any sort of special treatment, I think most of us simply agree a bit of common courtesy is all that is required but common sense and courtesy seem to evaporate the moment you walk through the doors of airport. There is a bewildering array of stupidity on show at airports and aircraft that I’m sure doesn’t exist elsewhere.

I can’t help but think some on here who claim they have the right to recline at will because they have paid for their seat are the sort of people who charge into situations on the road because they have right of way, sound their horns, gesticulate and then shout caaammmmrrrraaa. They are in a way correct but they’re still wkers. A normal human understands the need for a bit of give and take.

That assumes that the recliner does so at a specific bad time, like meal time.

If it is done at an appropriate time, and carefully it is not the case. The end result is the person behind is still "inconvenienced" by the recline.

Anybody who can sit in 1 seat, in 1 position for 4 hours or more (in my case its always 8 hours or more)must be unusually large, or over large to be unable to accept a seat being reclined. In which case, who is in the wrong seat/class?

Just because an over large person is too tightly crammed in, it is not the fault of the person reclining their own seat for comfort. Choose a different seat, class, aeroplane or airline.

Crying out that it is unfair and should not be allowed smacks of an attitude problem, way more than that of somebody reclining their seat considerately.

It is a comfort feature. Anybody want to argue that it is wrong to be as comfortable as possible, with a function that is supplied ?

I don't think anybody would argue that it is right to recline at meal times efc.

[Coilspring]

227bhp said:

That button needs either removing, locking (to be unlocked after consent of the person behind) or only accessible from the person behind.

So the person behind dictates your comfort level?

If it was that big an issue airlines would not let seats recline. But they do, so how much of an issue is it for them? Negligible I assume. They are very efficient at addressing problems on flights.

I really don't understand the issue. Far more irritating, annoying, unhealthy things happen on every flight, that I have ever been on anyway.

[The Mad Monk]

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[alorotom]

This thread is laughable. The only seats I won’t decline are if the flight is under 90mins. Anything over that, I want to be comfy and have a nap so back it goes.

Oh and for those who seem to think that pushing knees into the seat back makes a difference to comfort, you’re vastly wrong in the main and it’s nigh imperceptible to the sitter in front.