Booked a holiday as a family of 4 but not sitting together?
Discussion
Robertj21a said:
Not sure that I really go along with all the wailing and ranting. If an airline offers, up front , to seat a group together (at a price), but you decide to not take up the offer, why complain about it?
Because it costs no more to seat people together than to wilfully split them up, it's common courtesy.If you booked 2 theatre tickets and , despite having plenty available ,they offered you two in different parts of the auditorium you'd think they were mad. If you booked a holiday for two and they put you and your wife in double cabins with strangers you'd think they were mad. Yet airlines think that they can get away with these dodgy practices, its time the Govt acted, because as others have noted it could be a safety issue.
Its just a race to the bottom, lead by scum like Ryanair. Now even some proper airlines are doing this.
The latest 'wheeze' seems to be proper airlines offering tickets that don't include luggage. I was flying long- haul and saw some reasonably priced BA tickets. They had no luggage allowance at all, and to buy this, even in advance, would have cost over £200. For £30 more I flew Etihad with 40kg of hold luggage.
konark said:
Robertj21a said:
Not sure that I really go along with all the wailing and ranting. If an airline offers, up front , to seat a group together (at a price), but you decide to not take up the offer, why complain about it?
Because it costs no more to seat people together than to wilfully split them up, it's common courtesy.If you booked 2 theatre tickets and , despite having plenty available ,they offered you two in different parts of the auditorium you'd think they were mad. If you booked a holiday for two and they put you and your wife in double cabins with strangers you'd think they were mad. Yet airlines think that they can get away with these dodgy practices, its time the Govt acted, because as others have noted it could be a safety issue.
Its just a race to the bottom, lead by scum like Ryanair. Now even some proper airlines are doing this.
The latest 'wheeze' seems to be proper airlines offering tickets that don't include luggage. I was flying long- haul and saw some reasonably priced BA tickets. They had no luggage allowance at all, and to buy this, even in advance, would have cost over £200. For £30 more I flew Etihad with 40kg of hold luggage.
Robertj21a said:
All airlines are competing on price and will trim anything possible to achieve a competitive advantage. They are making it quite clear what their terms and conditions are so it is for customers to determine what they require, and the cost incurred. Not much point in moaning about something that you have the power to control yourself.
They keep telling us through the news and complaint programmes that they don't make an effot to split people. They pretend it's thing they don't like to do when clearly they do. Countdown said:
konark said:
Its just a race to the bottom, lead by scum like Ryanair. Now even some proper airlines are doing this.
It's a race to the bottom because customers want to pay the least amount possible. we can't have it both ways.Before Ryanair started flying from some of the airports there was never the options there is now. Most of the flights from my local airport there is no alternative to Ryanair.
Even where Ryanair operate the still make health profits.
Driver101 said:
Countdown said:
konark said:
Its just a race to the bottom, lead by scum like Ryanair. Now even some proper airlines are doing this.
It's a race to the bottom because customers want to pay the least amount possible. we can't have it both ways.Before Ryanair started flying from some of the airports there was never the options there is now. Most of the flights from my local airport there is no alternative to Ryanair.
Even where Ryanair operate the still make health profits.
I don't have any problem with that. They have a business model, and it clearly works for them, and (seemingly) lots of people are happy to fly with them. The point I was trying to make is people can't pay Ryanair prices and expect Emirates service.
Countdown said:
I don't think Ryanair's main objective was to introduce a lot of people to foreign travel. It was to maximise profits by squeezing the customer as much as possible, up to but just short of the point they think "sod this for a game of soldiers, I'm going with somebody else".
I don't have any problem with that. They have a business model, and it clearly works for them, and (seemingly) lots of people are happy to fly with them. The point I was trying to make is people can't pay Ryanair prices and expect Emirates service.
Their pricing wouldn't work with small numbers. The budget airlines were all about making foreign travel affordable to the masses. I don't have any problem with that. They have a business model, and it clearly works for them, and (seemingly) lots of people are happy to fly with them. The point I was trying to make is people can't pay Ryanair prices and expect Emirates service.
I don't think anyone expects Emirates level of customer service. Anytime I have flown with Ryanair I can't recall any real issues. Other than manipulating the seat numbers it has always been fine. They are nowhere near as bad as some people make out.
As per my previous post there is no alternative for many people.
Countdown said:
konark said:
Its just a race to the bottom, lead by scum like Ryanair. Now even some proper airlines are doing this.
It's a race to the bottom because customers want to pay the least amount possible. we can't have it both ways.Doesn't matter to me
speedyguy said:
Countdown said:
konark said:
Its just a race to the bottom, lead by scum like Ryanair. Now even some proper airlines are doing this.
It's a race to the bottom because customers want to pay the least amount possible. we can't have it both ways.Doesn't matter to me
konark said:
Robertj21a said:
Not sure that I really go along with all the wailing and ranting. If an airline offers, up front , to seat a group together (at a price), but you decide to not take up the offer, why complain about it?
Because it costs no more to seat people together than to wilfully split them up, it's common courtesy.If you booked 2 theatre tickets and , despite having plenty available ,they offered you two in different parts of the auditorium you'd think they were mad. If you booked a holiday for two and they put you and your wife in double cabins with strangers you'd think they were mad. Yet airlines think that they can get away with these dodgy practices, its time the Govt acted, because as others have noted it could be a safety issue.
Its just a race to the bottom, lead by scum like Ryanair. Now even some proper airlines are doing this.
The latest 'wheeze' seems to be proper airlines offering tickets that don't include luggage. I was flying long- haul and saw some reasonably priced BA tickets. They had no luggage allowance at all, and to buy this, even in advance, would have cost over £200. For £30 more I flew Etihad with 40kg of hold luggage.
They really are the pits, there's something depressingly wretched about the lengths they go to, recently we've flown easyjet, whizz and jet2 and you'd think it should just be all of a muchness but it really f
king isn't, the others all seem cheap'n'cheerfull (don't fly budget if you're precious mmm-k) but ryanair just go that extra mile into some dystopian horror zone. There's something bleakly Orwellian about that seeming effort they put in to give as joyless and unsatisfying experience as possible.speedyguy said:
Countdown said:
konark said:
Its just a race to the bottom, lead by scum like Ryanair. Now even some proper airlines are doing this.
It's a race to the bottom because customers want to pay the least amount possible. we can't have it both ways.Doesn't matter to me
Teddy Lop said:
we've just got off a ryanair flight; we've try to avoid them but they keep having annoyingly conveniently timed/located flights compared to the competition, I don't consider for example a 4am wake any way to start a holiday. But we've decided we really are going to try very hard to avoid them now.
They really are the pits, there's something depressingly wretched about the lengths they go to, recently we've flown easyjet, whizz and jet2 and you'd think it should just be all of a muchness but it really fking isn't, the others all seem cheap'n'cheerfull (don't fly budget if you're precious mmm-k) but ryanair just go that extra mile into some dystopian horror zone. There's something bleakly Orwellian about that seeming effort they put in to give as joyless and unsatisfying experience as possible.
To top it off I've been on 6 Ryanair flights and not a single one has had a smooth landing. They really are the pits, there's something depressingly wretched about the lengths they go to, recently we've flown easyjet, whizz and jet2 and you'd think it should just be all of a muchness but it really f
king isn't, the others all seem cheap'n'cheerfull (don't fly budget if you're precious mmm-k) but ryanair just go that extra mile into some dystopian horror zone. There's something bleakly Orwellian about that seeming effort they put in to give as joyless and unsatisfying experience as possible.Teddy Lop said:
we've just got off a ryanair flight; we've try to avoid them but they keep having annoyingly conveniently timed/located flights compared to the competition, I don't consider for example a 4am wake any way to start a holiday. But we've decided we really are going to try very hard to avoid them now.
They really are the pits, there's something depressingly wretched about the lengths they go to, recently we've flown easyjet, whizz and jet2 and you'd think it should just be all of a muchness but it really fking isn't, the others all seem cheap'n'cheerfull (don't fly budget if you're precious mmm-k) but ryanair just go that extra mile into some dystopian horror zone. There's something bleakly Orwellian about that seeming effort they put in to give as joyless and unsatisfying experience as possible.
I used to believe the same, but it's rubbish. There is minimal difference between Ryanair, easyJet or even BA these days from the flights I've been on the last couple of years. The stand out worst airline which I try to avoid is far too frequently delayed/cancelled Flybe.They really are the pits, there's something depressingly wretched about the lengths they go to, recently we've flown easyjet, whizz and jet2 and you'd think it should just be all of a muchness but it really f
king isn't, the others all seem cheap'n'cheerfull (don't fly budget if you're precious mmm-k) but ryanair just go that extra mile into some dystopian horror zone. There's something bleakly Orwellian about that seeming effort they put in to give as joyless and unsatisfying experience as possible.Sheepshanks said:
speedyguy said:
Slightly wrong as I'll always pay more or just not travel to avoid Ryanair.
I vowed never to fly Ryanair and never have. Maybe it'd be fine, but I just don't need that potential hassle in my life.My wife recently went to Dublin for a weekend with two of her cousins and the cousins two daughters for a birthday celebration.
The cousins flew from Stansted with Ryanair, and suggested that they’d pick my wife up en route.
After two bad experiences with Ryanair, she said, “No thanks, Frank will drop me at London City Airport, I’m going on BA.”
She paid just under £100, her cousins less than half that they said, but it didn’t faze her, probably as I‘d given her €225 to play with that I still had from the last time I was in France.
Spitfire2 said:
I used to believe the same, but it's rubbish. There is minimal difference between Ryanair, easyJet or even BA these days from the flights I've been on the last couple of years. The stand out worst airline which I try to avoid is far too frequently delayed/cancelled Flybe.
its more the death by a thousand cuts sttyness of the whole experience. The mrs paid priority to get the cabin bag on, didn't bother for me so I strolled up to the back of the queue 20 mins after her to see what priority actually means is you pay extra to be herded like cattle to the concrete and stand there for 20 or 30 minutes until they're quite ready. Then the seats are the most uncomfortable of any airplane we've been on. The drink servers came out and served most, then just kind of gave up and went back without bothering to serve everyone. Then we landed at luton, the pilot bragged how much of a badass he was for landing 20 mins early, then presumably as we were the last flight of the day they decided rather than call by the gate to save the airline a few $ and park on the far side of the airport and spend half an hour cramming us all into few busses.No they really are a level down.
It is my understanding that Ryanair and Easjet's random allocation only ever assigns seats that are "not by a window and not on the asile" ergo the chances of being placed together are zero. One thing Ryanair do ensure is that any children under 10 are seated next to one of their parents, which is a step up from the now defunct Thomas Cook.
Years ago I didn't pay for sitting together on a flight to Egypt with Thomas cook. My daughter was 4 and my son 2 years and 3 months. On checkin we were informed that there were no seats together; the rather obnoxious checkin b
h told us we should have paid for seats; the best they could do was put my son on one side of the aisle with me on the other. My wife and daughter were allocated seats about 10 rows back, with my daughter seated in the row in front of my wife. The cabin staff were absolute cts as they were not happy that my son was constantly in their way during the flight because "surprise surprise" 2 year olds don't like to be seated on their own...Now its not just the budget airlines that act this way as BA employ the same sharp practices and Norwegian air now charge for cabin bags as well as hold luggage and seating even for long haul flights.
jesusbuiltmycar said:
It is my understanding that Ryanair and Easjet's random allocation only ever assigns seats that are "not by a window and not on the asile" ergo the chances of being placed together are zero. One thing Ryanair do ensure is that any children under 10 are seated next to one of their parents, which is a step up from the now defunct Thomas Cook.
Years ago I didn't pay for sitting together on a flight to Egypt with Thomas cook. My daughter was 4 and my son 2 years and 3 months. On checkin we were informed that there were no seats together; the rather obnoxious checkin bh told us we should have paid for seats; the best they could do was put my son on one side of the aisle with me on the other. My wife and daughter were allocated seats about 10 rows back, with my daughter seated in the row in front of my wife. The cabin staff were absolute cts as they were not happy that my son was constantly in their way during the flight because "surprise surprise" 2 year olds don't like to be seated on their own...
Now its not just the budget airlines that act this way as BA employ the same sharp practices and Norwegian air now charge for cabin bags as well as hold luggage and seating even for long haul flights.
so you expect the airline to deny other less important non child customer something they payed for to provide to you for free, even though you thought it wasn't worth paying for yourself to secure when you had the chance, but is now tremedously important. Hate to tell you this but the airline aren't responsible for your parenting fails.Years ago I didn't pay for sitting together on a flight to Egypt with Thomas cook. My daughter was 4 and my son 2 years and 3 months. On checkin we were informed that there were no seats together; the rather obnoxious checkin b
h told us we should have paid for seats; the best they could do was put my son on one side of the aisle with me on the other. My wife and daughter were allocated seats about 10 rows back, with my daughter seated in the row in front of my wife. The cabin staff were absolute cts as they were not happy that my son was constantly in their way during the flight because "surprise surprise" 2 year olds don't like to be seated on their own...Now its not just the budget airlines that act this way as BA employ the same sharp practices and Norwegian air now charge for cabin bags as well as hold luggage and seating even for long haul flights.
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