Looking to move to USA for a year and rent
Discussion
Hope to be in a position to retire early and wife and I fancy living in the USA for a year , get a car there, travel and explore. Looking to rent a property for 1 year or 1x 6mths and 1x 6mths in different locations.
We would keep our house in the uk and not looking to emigrate.
We would have no issues with paying 12 mths rent in advance and have a sale of a business to self fund comfortably.
Any other tips/insights we need to think about/plan for.
formal docs etc.
We would keep our house in the uk and not looking to emigrate.
We would have no issues with paying 12 mths rent in advance and have a sale of a business to self fund comfortably.
Any other tips/insights we need to think about/plan for.
formal docs etc.
superlightr said:
Hope to be in a position to retire early and wife and I fancy living in the USA for a year , get a car there, travel and explore. Looking to rent a property for 1 year or 1x 6mths and 1x 6mths in different locations.
We would keep our house in the uk and not looking to emigrate.
We would have no issues with paying 12 mths rent in advance and have a sale of a business to self fund comfortably.
Any other tips/insights we need to think about/plan for.
formal docs etc.
A B-2 visa may be the one you need. Valid for 6 months and can be renewed for another 6 months. But best check, immigration and visas is a hot topic here and all the rules are subject to change overnight.We would keep our house in the uk and not looking to emigrate.
We would have no issues with paying 12 mths rent in advance and have a sale of a business to self fund comfortably.
Any other tips/insights we need to think about/plan for.
formal docs etc.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visa...
Edited by NMNeil on Wednesday 16th June 15:01
NMNeil said:
A B-2 visa may be the one you need. Valid for 6 months and can be renewed for another 6 months.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visa...
thank you.https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visa...
omniflow said:
My parents went for 9 months when they retired - I don't think they had any problems with Visas or anything like that. They swapped houses with some people they knew for the first 6 months, then did 3 months coast to coast in an RV.
thats the ticket - ill have two of those! You have 90 days here with the VWP, or 6 months max stay for a B-2 visa (which is usually issued for a ten year validity but may be refused if you are otherwise VWP eligible). Those are your options.
Everything else involves a company petitioning for a work visa, family sponsorship, or expensive investments.
Going to canada or mexico does not reset the clock on those times - , and if you, say, leave back to the UK and then return back to the US a week later, they will be wise to your plan and odds are you will be sent back.
If you are so inclined, you could just stay as long as you need and then leave, but if you overstay the allowed time you will receive a ban from entry once you leave (length of ban varies depending on length of overstay), so you wouldn't be able to return.
Everything else involves a company petitioning for a work visa, family sponsorship, or expensive investments.
Going to canada or mexico does not reset the clock on those times - , and if you, say, leave back to the UK and then return back to the US a week later, they will be wise to your plan and odds are you will be sent back.
If you are so inclined, you could just stay as long as you need and then leave, but if you overstay the allowed time you will receive a ban from entry once you leave (length of ban varies depending on length of overstay), so you wouldn't be able to return.
You should exercise some caution here.
A nonimmigrant B-2 visa is intended for tourism - and predominantly for "snow-birds" from Canada. That is not to say you would not qualify, but generally if you qualify to use the US visa waiver program, you will need to demonstrate why you intend to be in the US for up to 6 months, rather than the 90 days the VWP accommodates. Stating that you want to use it to live in the US will get short shrift, I think you'll find.
Nonimmigrant visas are not intended to be used to facilitate the visa beneficiary to effectively "live" in the US - which is essentially what you are proposing here.
Utilizing a B-2 back-to-back (i.e. leaving the US after 6 months and then immediately returning for a further 6 months) is just asking for trouble with US CBP. Your chances of being denied on return are substantial, because it is demonstrating that you are living in the US without the appropriate credentials - and a denial is something you should avoid, if further US visits are anticipated.
A nonimmigrant B-2 visa is intended for tourism - and predominantly for "snow-birds" from Canada. That is not to say you would not qualify, but generally if you qualify to use the US visa waiver program, you will need to demonstrate why you intend to be in the US for up to 6 months, rather than the 90 days the VWP accommodates. Stating that you want to use it to live in the US will get short shrift, I think you'll find.
Nonimmigrant visas are not intended to be used to facilitate the visa beneficiary to effectively "live" in the US - which is essentially what you are proposing here.
Utilizing a B-2 back-to-back (i.e. leaving the US after 6 months and then immediately returning for a further 6 months) is just asking for trouble with US CBP. Your chances of being denied on return are substantial, because it is demonstrating that you are living in the US without the appropriate credentials - and a denial is something you should avoid, if further US visits are anticipated.
Matt Harper said:
You should exercise some caution here.
A nonimmigrant B-2 visa is intended for tourism - and predominantly for "snow-birds" from Canada. That is not to say you would not qualify, but generally if you qualify to use the US visa waiver program, you will need to demonstrate why you intend to be in the US for up to 6 months, rather than the 90 days the VWP accommodates. Stating that you want to use it to live in the US will get short shrift, I think you'll find.
Nonimmigrant visas are not intended to be used to facilitate the visa beneficiary to effectively "live" in the US - which is essentially what you are proposing here.
Utilizing a B-2 back-to-back (i.e. leaving the US after 6 months and then immediately returning for a further 6 months) is just asking for trouble with US CBP. Your chances of being denied on return are substantial, because it is demonstrating that you are living in the US without the appropriate credentials - and a denial is something you should avoid, if further US visits are anticipated.
Spot on advice here. A nonimmigrant B-2 visa is intended for tourism - and predominantly for "snow-birds" from Canada. That is not to say you would not qualify, but generally if you qualify to use the US visa waiver program, you will need to demonstrate why you intend to be in the US for up to 6 months, rather than the 90 days the VWP accommodates. Stating that you want to use it to live in the US will get short shrift, I think you'll find.
Nonimmigrant visas are not intended to be used to facilitate the visa beneficiary to effectively "live" in the US - which is essentially what you are proposing here.
Utilizing a B-2 back-to-back (i.e. leaving the US after 6 months and then immediately returning for a further 6 months) is just asking for trouble with US CBP. Your chances of being denied on return are substantial, because it is demonstrating that you are living in the US without the appropriate credentials - and a denial is something you should avoid, if further US visits are anticipated.
Furthermore, you may run into issues buying / owning / insuring a car in the USA, so a long term rental would be more advisable.
6 / 12 months is a long time, you could do several 90 day stints (not all in a row) but if staying over 180 days in the USA in a 365 period, you'll have the IRS to contend with too.
thank you for the replies and advice.
Its simply a long holiday ! We have family and property/home in the UK.
Would want to comply 100% with their rules - so perhaps the 90 days there and then 90 days UK and then 90 days there would also be fine. its to tour, relax and explore.
Its just to understand what is allowed and plan accordingly so appreciate all the replies.
Its simply a long holiday ! We have family and property/home in the UK.
Would want to comply 100% with their rules - so perhaps the 90 days there and then 90 days UK and then 90 days there would also be fine. its to tour, relax and explore.
Its just to understand what is allowed and plan accordingly so appreciate all the replies.
superlightr said:
thank you for the replies and advice.
Its simply a long holiday ! We have family and property/home in the UK.
Would want to comply 100% with their rules - so perhaps the 90 days there and then 90 days UK and then 90 days there would also be fine. its to tour, relax and explore.
Its just to understand what is allowed and plan accordingly so appreciate all the replies.
One possibility would be to spend 90 days in the US, 6 months in Canada, and a further 90 days in the US. You could pick which seasons you fancied for each location. The US-Canada border is currently scheduled to reopen on June 21st.Its simply a long holiday ! We have family and property/home in the UK.
Would want to comply 100% with their rules - so perhaps the 90 days there and then 90 days UK and then 90 days there would also be fine. its to tour, relax and explore.
Its just to understand what is allowed and plan accordingly so appreciate all the replies.
toohuge said:
Furthermore, you may run into issues buying / owning / insuring a car in the USA, so a long term rental would be more advisable.
Its defo a hurdle, I am planning to buy a car/camper van over there at some point. I have friends who can help me with the legal side of things so hopefully get it sorted. From what they have told me it really is very much state dependant though so I will have to do it locally to them so they can help me. A few years ago I took a trip over there and we went to the DMV and they offered to set me up with a DL there and then, so hopefully fingers crossed I will be able to sort it. I do fear though as time goes on the red tape will grow. Another avenue is to buy in Canada and use the 12 month exemption but I have not fully explored that yet as I hope to do option 1.Just to jump on this.
I'm planning a 3-month trip later in the year hopefully, or possibly early next. As hire cars seem to have gone through the roof doe anyone know any 3-month rental options? I'll probably be based in north Florida if that helps.
There seem to be lots of options in the likes of Greece, Portugal and Spain, from the big-name operators to some bloke with a few old Octavias and everything in between but all I can find in the US are the big names.
Any tips?
I'm planning a 3-month trip later in the year hopefully, or possibly early next. As hire cars seem to have gone through the roof doe anyone know any 3-month rental options? I'll probably be based in north Florida if that helps.
There seem to be lots of options in the likes of Greece, Portugal and Spain, from the big-name operators to some bloke with a few old Octavias and everything in between but all I can find in the US are the big names.
Any tips?
superlightr said:
thank you for the replies and advice.
Its simply a long holiday ! We have family and property/home in the UK.
Would want to comply 100% with their rules - so perhaps the 90 days there and then 90 days UK and then 90 days there would also be fine. its to tour, relax and explore.
Its just to understand what is allowed and plan accordingly so appreciate all the replies.
I think this strategy would attract far less scrutiny from US Customs and Border Protection. Anecdotally, spending as much time outside of the US after fully exploiting the 89 days that VWP allows, before a return visit is the correct way to utilize it. That said, it is all down to the CBP official on the day. They have absolute power of veto and in utilizing VWP, you forego any right of appeal to a CBP decision not to admit you. Its simply a long holiday ! We have family and property/home in the UK.
Would want to comply 100% with their rules - so perhaps the 90 days there and then 90 days UK and then 90 days there would also be fine. its to tour, relax and explore.
Its just to understand what is allowed and plan accordingly so appreciate all the replies.
However, I imagine you would have no issues playing it this way.
Matt Harper said:
Utilizing a B-2 back-to-back (i.e. leaving the US after 6 months and then immediately returning for a further 6 months) is just asking for trouble with US CBP. Your chances of being denied on return are substantial, because it is demonstrating that you are living in the US without the appropriate credentials - and a denial is something you should avoid, if further US visits are anticipated.
Why would he do that, when all he has to do is fill out form I-539 while he's here?https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document...
NMNeil said:
Matt Harper said:
Utilizing a B-2 back-to-back (i.e. leaving the US after 6 months and then immediately returning for a further 6 months) is just asking for trouble with US CBP. Your chances of being denied on return are substantial, because it is demonstrating that you are living in the US without the appropriate credentials - and a denial is something you should avoid, if further US visits are anticipated.
Why would he do that, when all he has to do is fill out form I-539 while he's here?https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document...
In addition, you are not eligible to file an I-539 if here under the WVP - so you would both have to have been granted a B-2 in the first place, which as above, many VWP eligible people are denied when applying for a B-2.
You run the real risk of the entire visa being cancelled, for being seen as 'gaming' the system. That is how USCIS and CBP think unfortunately
Edited by GCH on Friday 18th June 22:32
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