How bad is flying economy these days?

How bad is flying economy these days?

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deja.vu

456 posts

16 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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okgo said:
Petrus1983 said:
This thread has made me regret not doing it. I land in Houston at 6pm local time (midnight UK time) and then have to be back at the airport for midday the next day to get back to London.
Why does this sort of st still exist in business? What possible need is there for any human to be the other side of the world for one day unless they’re incredibly important (and if they were they’d be first class or on a company jet). The mind boggles when I see this stuff. I’m going to Colorado for 4 days and it’s on the cusp of me making an excuse not to as it seems pointless.
That's we always include the weekend and fly on a Saturday or leave on a Sunday.
Flights are cheaper and you get a few days to explore and have fun.

SKO?

ps I did once do San Jose for dinner, lovely meal but a real ball ache


Petrus1983

8,674 posts

162 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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okgo said:
Petrus1983 said:
This thread has made me regret not doing it. I land in Houston at 6pm local time (midnight UK time) and then have to be back at the airport for midday the next day to get back to London.
Why does this sort of st still exist in business? What possible need is there for any human to be the other side of the world for one day unless they’re incredibly important (and if they were they’d be first class or on a company jet). The mind boggles when I see this stuff. I’m going to Colorado for 4 days and it’s on the cusp of me making an excuse not to as it seems pointless.
Ah! This is self inflicted!! My son lives there and I need to pick him up for his summer vacation. He did live near the beach in Texas and I’d go down for a few days - but now he’s in Dallas (I made a mistake in my last post) it’s easier to fly there, get him dropped to the airport hotel and fly straight back. In the last few mins though I have upgraded the return flight to PE and on the way out I could select the emergency exit seat for free (on the return he can’t sit there).

The G Kid

616 posts

123 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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number2 said:
Which airlines still operate chauffeur service to and from the airport?

Emirates do but I think most others don't - it's a great touch, one less thing to think about and a nice way to start a holiday. (Obviously priced in but not a price differentiator.)


Etihad still do. I know Virgin don't.

GT03ROB

13,262 posts

221 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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okgo said:
Petrus1983 said:
This thread has made me regret not doing it. I land in Houston at 6pm local time (midnight UK time) and then have to be back at the airport for midday the next day to get back to London.
Why does this sort of st still exist in business? What possible need is there for any human to be the other side of the world for one day unless they’re incredibly important (and if they were they’d be first class or on a company jet). The mind boggles when I see this stuff. I’m going to Colorado for 4 days and it’s on the cusp of me making an excuse not to as it seems pointless.
I've done exactly the same as Petrus to Houston, fortunately in business. There are multiple reasons why doing thinigs in person is either required or more effective. As I mentioned above I've done it to Singapore in economy, Both times necessary for different reasons. Not flying but I did an 8hr drive yesterday, been on site today & will do an 8hr drive back tomorrow. Again necessary.

Not everything can be done remotely.

paralla

3,534 posts

135 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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I once booked two 1st class return tickets LHR - LAX using Avios points and an AMEX companion voucher for a holiday in Palm Springs.

Me and my other half rock up to the Concorde Lounge at T5 and are turned away because I’d booked using Avios. He’s mortified by the rejection, we had to make do in the BC lounge. He still reminds me of the humiliation years later.

That day I learned to check what benefits come with every specific flight rather than assume.

number2

4,299 posts

187 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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paralla said:
I once booked two 1st class return tickets LHR - LAX using Avios points and an AMEX companion voucher for a holiday in Palm Springs.

Me and my other half rock up to the Concorde Lounge at T5 and are turned away because I’d booked using Avios. He’s mortified by the rejection, we had to make do in the BC lounge. He still reminds me of the humiliation years later.

That day I learned to check what benefits come with every specific flight rather than assume.
You mean you didn't leave him at the door?! biggrin.

I've only used it once and it's cool to have done so but not the be all and end all certainly.

I half get it and half don't that the companion voucher holder wasn't allowed in...

Reminds me of a story...

Travelling back from Bahrain a few years ago, and at the time, there was a second security check just before boarding.
We were in the queue for this, which was fairly long, but it is what it is, we expected it.
We were minding our own business, when a man and a woman started strolling past us!
I'm not a fan of queue jumpers and I'll always call them out.

"Excuse me" I say, "the back of the queue is down there" and I pointed to the back of the queue.
They happened to be American
The man said to me "but we're in business."

I was in a position to respond "Well I'm in First, there's one queue, now get to the back."

That told them. Council fkers biggrin.



GCH

3,991 posts

202 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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paralla said:
I once booked two 1st class return tickets LHR - LAX using Avios points and an AMEX companion voucher for a holiday in Palm Springs.

Me and my other half rock up to the Concorde Lounge at T5 and are turned away because I’d booked using Avios. He’s mortified by the rejection, we had to make do in the BC lounge. He still reminds me of the humiliation years later.
Yeah, that was an error by the desk agent.
In F you get CCR room access, regardless of cash, avios, companion voucher, or paid upgrade.

djc206

12,341 posts

125 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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GCH said:
Yeah, that was an error by the desk agent.
In F you get CCR room access, regardless of cash, avios, companion voucher, or paid upgrade.
That’s what I thought, is there a capacity clause perhaps?

bloomen

6,891 posts

159 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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Pretty simple formula for me - does the fancy arse upgrade cost more than the rest of the entire experience?

Since my tastes are modest the answer is usually yes and with plenty on top left over.

So it wouldn't cross my mind for one second. If someone else is paying for it, great.

deja.vu

456 posts

16 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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GCH said:
paralla said:
I once booked two 1st class return tickets LHR - LAX using Avios points and an AMEX companion voucher for a holiday in Palm Springs.

Me and my other half rock up to the Concorde Lounge at T5 and are turned away because I’d booked using Avios. He’s mortified by the rejection, we had to make do in the BC lounge. He still reminds me of the humiliation years later.
Yeah, that was an error by the desk agent.
In F you get CCR room access, regardless of cash, avios, companion voucher, or paid upgrade.
I’ve only done first a couple of times ( the shame of it) and that was using Avios.
Was allowed into the Concord lounge.

paralla

3,534 posts

135 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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deja.vu said:
GCH said:
paralla said:
I once booked two 1st class return tickets LHR - LAX using Avios points and an AMEX companion voucher for a holiday in Palm Springs.

Me and my other half rock up to the Concorde Lounge at T5 and are turned away because I’d booked using Avios. He’s mortified by the rejection, we had to make do in the BC lounge. He still reminds me of the humiliation years later.


Yeah, that was an error by the desk agent.
In F you get CCR room access, regardless of cash, avios, companion voucher, or paid upgrade.
I’ve only done first a couple of times ( the shame of it) and that was using Avios.
Was allowed into the Concord lounge.
Maybe it was the companion voucher that prevented entry rather than the Avios.

djc206

12,341 posts

125 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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paralla said:
Maybe it was the companion voucher that prevented entry rather than the Avios.
I’ve been in there on a companion voucher. The fare code would be the same so not sure they’d even know although happy to be corrected on that.

deja.vu

456 posts

16 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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paralla said:
deja.vu said:
GCH said:
paralla said:
I once booked two 1st class return tickets LHR - LAX using Avios points and an AMEX companion voucher for a holiday in Palm Springs.

Me and my other half rock up to the Concorde Lounge at T5 and are turned away because I’d booked using Avios. He’s mortified by the rejection, we had to make do in the BC lounge. He still reminds me of the humiliation years later.


Yeah, that was an error by the desk agent.
In F you get CCR room access, regardless of cash, avios, companion voucher, or paid upgrade.
I’ve only done first a couple of times ( the shame of it) and that was using Avios.
Was allowed into the Concord lounge.
Maybe it was the companion voucher that prevented entry rather than the Avios.
I think it’s an idiot at the door.
Such a same they needlessly did that.

Griffith4ever

4,233 posts

35 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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djc206 said:
paralla said:
Maybe it was the companion voucher that prevented entry rather than the Avios.
I’ve been in there on a companion voucher. The fare code would be the same so not sure they’d even know although happy to be corrected on that.
Amex companion vouchers are economy only now. I have one to use by Jun 30t. Gonna switch to a different airmiles card - what bloody use is a free economy seat with BA? If I fly eco it'll be with an economy airline.

deja.vu

456 posts

16 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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Griffith4ever said:
djc206 said:
paralla said:
Maybe it was the companion voucher that prevented entry rather than the Avios.
I’ve been in there on a companion voucher. The fare code would be the same so not sure they’d even know although happy to be corrected on that.
Amex companion vouchers are economy only now. I have one to use by Jun 30t. Gonna switch to a different airmiles card - what bloody use is a free economy seat with BA? If I fly eco it'll be with an economy airline.
Depends on which card you have.
This isn’t the case with the black card.

Griffith4ever

4,233 posts

35 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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deja.vu said:
Depends on which card you have.
This isn’t the case with the black card.
No - it's not Amex's own - it's the BA Amex airmiles card. Apparently everyone is leaving in droves due to this. A fee paying card is best apparently - perhaps to the one you mention. I put all my Amazon through mine, personal and business, so it adds up fast.

deja.vu

456 posts

16 months

Saturday 18th March 2023
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Griffith4ever said:
deja.vu said:
Depends on which card you have.
This isn’t the case with the black card.
No - it's not Amex's own - it's the BA Amex airmiles card. Apparently everyone is leaving in droves due to this. A fee paying card is best apparently - perhaps to the one you mention. I put all my Amazon through mine, personal and business, so it adds up fast.
The black one is £250 a year. Looks like they are creating more of a differentiator between the free and the paid.

djc206

12,341 posts

125 months

Saturday 18th March 2023
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Griffith4ever said:
Amex companion vouchers are economy only now. I have one to use by Jun 30t. Gonna switch to a different airmiles card - what bloody use is a free economy seat with BA? If I fly eco it'll be with an economy airline.
None at all. As above they want everyone to have the “premium plus” card with the fee. It’s always been better for avios accrual and the threshold for the companion voucher so I’ve always had that one anyway.

Griffith4ever

4,233 posts

35 months

Saturday 18th March 2023
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I shall get me one today!

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

67 months

Saturday 18th March 2023
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Griffith4ever said:
I hear you, but if it was 100% more space for 100% more money every bugger would upgrade [snip]
Stop right there - they could halve the number of customers getting on the plane for the same gross take, and they wouldn't?