3rd of people steal from self-service check-outs

[sday12]

BoRED S2upid said:

blindswelledrat said:

I find it shocking, although I did once select the "zero bags" option in marks and spencer out of principle which I accept is exactly the same as stealing.
BUt I consider them charging me for bags under a ridiculous pretext as stealing so I am happy to do same

Get used to paying for bags people we have been paying for ages now in Wales only a matter of time until the UK Government jump on the bandwagon.

I'll be happy to pay for bags, once China signs up to the latest carbon emission targets for western Europe.

[clarkey328is]

Toaster Pilot said:

clarkey328is said:

You would think so, but an acquaintance often "nicks" his lunch. .

Would this be fraud rather than theft?

Either way, I'd imagine he'd end up losing his job if he was to be prosecuted (no matter who he works for) so I do wonder what goes through these people's minds.

Well that's like my argument of whether stealing fuel is theft or tax evasion, but i'm still pretty sure it's illegal...

[qube_TA]

Have never stolen, but this behaviour doesn't surprise me, hopefully it'll encourage stores to get rid of the hateful things and employ more checkout staff.

[Toaster Pilot]

clarkey328is said:

Well that's like my argument of whether stealing fuel is theft or tax evasion, but i'm still pretty sure it's illegal...

My point is that he is deliberately using the system in a way which makes it charge him less, so it could be fraud?

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Sir Bagalot said:

And it isn't just the customers.....

A while back I went through self serve, scanned, total, pay with cash, collect coins, depart store.

As I'm leaving the self serve I notice the member of Tesco staff go to my checkout and I assume she's gonna clean up the receipts/litter etc so pay no attention. 20 seconds later I'm hitting the exit and realise that when I picked up my change I collected the coins not not the £5 I was due. Cue sharp turn and head back, go to my till and see someone is using it, look where notes come out and no notes. Ask him if he saw a fiver and only then does the member of staff approach me with said fiver.

Cheeky mare was going to keep it for herself as it then clicked that as soon as I moved off she sp[otted the fiver and moved in but made no attempt to return it to me.

AIUI Superstores have CCTV monitoring the self scan tills quite closely. Had you complained she would have been dismissed.

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clarkey328is said:

You would think so, but an acquaintance often "nicks" his lunch. He selects bananas on the menu and then puts his entire lunch on the scales. System weighs it as bananas and he puts it in the bag. Once, an attendant has had to come over to enter their code because the machine has gone nuts. Upon seeing it charging 20 odd pence for a massive bag of food, they laughed and just entered the code.
The people that I know that work for supermarkets do this more than most other people I know. They tend not to treat employees very well.

Reminds me of a scene from The Simpsons

Bart: Uh, say, are you guys crooks?
Fat Tony: Bart, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?
Bart: No.
Fat Tony: Well, suppose you got a large starving family. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread to feed them?
Bart: Uh uh.
Fat Tony: And, what if your family don't like bread? They like... cigarettes?
Bart: I guess that's okay.
Fat Tony: Now, what if instead of giving them away, you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime, Bart?
Bart: Hell, no.

[Toaster Pilot]

Countdown said:

Reminds me of a scene from The Simpsons

Bart: Uh, say, are you guys crooks?
Fat Tony: Bart, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?
Bart: No.
Fat Tony: Well, suppose you got a large starving family. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread to feed them?
Bart: Uh uh.
Fat Tony: And, what if your family don't like bread? They like... cigarettes?
Bart: I guess that's okay.
Fat Tony: Now, what if instead of giving them away, you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime, Bart?
Bart: Hell, no.

[CBR JGWRR]

Toaster Pilot said:

Countdown said:

Reminds me of a scene from The Simpsons

Bart: Uh, say, are you guys crooks?
Fat Tony: Bart, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?
Bart: No.
Fat Tony: Well, suppose you got a large starving family. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread to feed them?
Bart: Uh uh.
Fat Tony: And, what if your family don't like bread? They like... cigarettes?
Bart: I guess that's okay.
Fat Tony: Now, what if instead of giving them away, you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime, Bart?
Bart: Hell, no.

Some years, but still funny...

[JonnyFive]

qube_TA said:

Have never stolen, but this behaviour doesn't surprise me, hopefully it'll encourage stores to get rid of the hateful things and employ more checkout staff.

I hope they don't. I can use them far quicker than queuing to have someone bib my items through their till then waste time messing around. Self serve, job done.

[hairyben]

In australia you can actualy use the ss checkouts if you have more than 3 items as the thing isn't set so sensitive that it doesn't accuse you of thieving every 5 seconds. Here if you have a basket full of items I find it quicker to queue for a till. I guess convictland are more honest than us...

[obob]

hairyben said:

In australia you can actualy use the ss checkouts if you have more than 3 items as the thing isn't set so sensitive that it doesn't accuse you of thieving every 5 seconds. Here if you have a basket full of items I find it quicker to queue for a till. I guess convictland are more honest than us...

Eh?

[hairyben]

obob said:

hairyben said:

In australia you can actualy use the ss checkouts if you have more than 3 items as the thing isn't set so sensitive that it doesn't accuse you of thieving every 5 seconds. Here if you have a basket full of items I find it quicker to queue for a till. I guess convictland are more honest than us...

Eh?

fo' real.

[obob]

Sorry I thought you were in Australia, so when you said 'over here' and gave a contradictory statement I got confused.

Anyhow, never had a problem with the checkouts at Tesco and Sainsburys. IMO they should have a sign "No over 40s".

[hairyben]

obob said:

Sorry I thought you were in Australia, so when you said 'over here' and gave a contradictory statement I got confused.

Anyhow, never had a problem with the checkouts at Tesco and Sainsburys. IMO they should have a sign "No over 40s".

I think the prob is I hate the places and if I'm going in a supermarket I'll want to at least fill a basket to make it worthwhile- none of this 5 items malarkey, when you have that much stuff you have to balence it all in the bagged area and it's pretty small so you're balencing and juggling things and the machines alarming at you cos stuff isn't where it wont fit etc etc. The ones we used in oz didn't have all that weighing and special areas- you could be holding 5 items and scan them all without placing anything down.

[Mojooo]

The supaermarkets are not stupid and as soon as they realise they are losing a significant amout in profit than they are saving in staff costs then they will soon ditch the system or have more people watching.

At my local Tesco I think they have 8 self service tills - saving them say £57 an hour (£7 an hour x 8) - I wonder what their losses are. Infact the cost of staff is probably a lot more than £7 an hour so the potential losses that they can take are probably much higher.

[clarkey328is]

Toaster Pilot said:

clarkey328is said:

Well that's like my argument of whether stealing fuel is theft or tax evasion, but i'm still pretty sure it's illegal...

My point is that he is deliberately using the system in a way which makes it charge him less, so it could be fraud?

Yeah I suppose, because he is still paying for something. There is a crime called theft by fraud, which I guess would fit the bill quite well.
Incidentally, theft from an employer is usually considered more serious than shoplifting, as it is violation of a position of trust.

[Mojooo]

Toaster Pilot said:

My point is that he is deliberately using the system in a way which makes it charge him less, so it could be fraud?

The person who puts in the wrong information to the till - fraud by false representation to make a gain for himself

The staff member who knowingly lets him get away with it - fraud by representation to cause loss to another

Course you would have to show that he did it knowingly and dishonestly - which can be difficult to prove in an isolated incident.

[k-ink]

1/3rd of the population are dirty thieving compensation culture scum shocker.

Oh wait. I am not shocked.

[Toaster Pilot]

Mojooo said:

The person who puts in the wrong information to the till - fraud by false representation to make a gain for himself

The staff member who knowingly lets him get away with it - fraud by representation to cause loss to another

Course you would have to show that he did it knowingly and dishonestly - which can be difficult to prove in an isolated incident.

- if he does it most days as said then it can't be long until he gets caught hopefully, it's such a stupid thing to do for a couple of quid's worth of food.

[Ali Chappussy]

My other half works for Tescos. Their self scans are unmanned but they are equpped with cameras and staff periodically look at the tapes to see if everythings above board. The cameras register faces and till receipts

Days later it's Gotcha time!