Conspiracy Theories for Cynics
Discussion
iphonedyou said:
Shuvi McTupya said:
Hold on, let me just dig out a photo I personally took of him and had him sign during his treatment.
What evidence would you find acceptable, it was just Something I remember reading somewhere, about 15 yrs ago, no doubt from a source that you would immediately poo poo.
So I won't bother looking, but there is lots of 'chatter' about his health problems which I am sure you could find if you were interested. It might not be accurate though.
One of the issues around conspiracies is that is often hard/impossible to find proof, hence the theory part!
The events of 9/11 were the results of a conspiracy which ever way you look at it, unless one person did it on his own and didn't discuss his plan with anybody.
Well that's told you, Zod.What evidence would you find acceptable, it was just Something I remember reading somewhere, about 15 yrs ago, no doubt from a source that you would immediately poo poo.
So I won't bother looking, but there is lots of 'chatter' about his health problems which I am sure you could find if you were interested. It might not be accurate though.
One of the issues around conspiracies is that is often hard/impossible to find proof, hence the theory part!
The events of 9/11 were the results of a conspiracy which ever way you look at it, unless one person did it on his own and didn't discuss his plan with anybody.
Predictably worthless!scherzkeks said:
jmorgan said:
One lot for example, that bunch calling themselves AE for truth (or whatever),
Pro tip: know the name of the group you are disparaging when disparaging them. Where's your research? I would love to take a look.
(they need to show theirs, I am happy with the narrative, I have looked at theirs. It is flawed. You carry on getting hung up on free fall. It like a laser pen to a kitten.
Edited by jmorgan on Friday 23 June 06:32
You know all these people saying that we should ban organised religion? Well, this is what bloody happens!!
People NEED to believe in something more than the mundane, banalities of the life that actually exists. There MUST be more to it, this can't be 'it'...then they begin their search.
What do we end up with? Folks such as we see posting on this thread from Youtube videos, 'experts', and every psycho that can work a computer posting endless conspiracy shyte on the web.
As soon as I see the phrase 'freefall speed', or 'fell into it's own footprint', I can't help thinking: 'for f
k's sake', get the professional help that you are crying out for, please! A missile hit the Pentagon - well they did well to sneak those aircraft engines and landing gear into the building afterwards, didn't they!!! 
This stuff is corrosive, it gets into you and rots your abilities to see the other nutters for what they are. I had a friend in Norway who got ill, caused him real problems, next thing he was spouting all the same conspiracy bks.
It's a real, crying shame.
People NEED to believe in something more than the mundane, banalities of the life that actually exists. There MUST be more to it, this can't be 'it'...then they begin their search.
What do we end up with? Folks such as we see posting on this thread from Youtube videos, 'experts', and every psycho that can work a computer posting endless conspiracy shyte on the web.
As soon as I see the phrase 'freefall speed', or 'fell into it's own footprint', I can't help thinking: 'for f
k's sake', get the professional help that you are crying out for, please! A missile hit the Pentagon - well they did well to sneak those aircraft engines and landing gear into the building afterwards, didn't they!!! This stuff is corrosive, it gets into you and rots your abilities to see the other nutters for what they are. I had a friend in Norway who got ill, caused him real problems, next thing he was spouting all the same conspiracy b
ks.It's a real, crying shame.
Jshell, are there any conspiracies at all that you believe, or official versions of events that you dont?
Some times it is proven that we have been lied to and sometimes it isnt. You cant really blame people for being curious sometimes although i accept that that curiousity can sometimes be completely misguided.
For example, JFK.
Do you feel the alternative theories hold any water, or are you comfortable with the official story?
Some times it is proven that we have been lied to and sometimes it isnt. You cant really blame people for being curious sometimes although i accept that that curiousity can sometimes be completely misguided.
For example, JFK.
Do you feel the alternative theories hold any water, or are you comfortable with the official story?
Shuvi McTupya said:
Jshell, are there any conspiracies at all that you believe, or official versions of events that you dont?
Some times it is proven that we have been lied to and sometimes it isnt. You cant really blame people for being curious sometimes although i accept that that curiousity can sometimes be completely misguided.
For example, JFK.
Do you feel the alternative theories hold any water, or are you comfortable with the official story?
There are conspiracy theories, and there are 'conspiracy theories'. JFK, so someone shot the Pres, someone was set-up - it's a good story and makes a good movie. Conspiracy? yes, of course. But, we then get into faked moon landings - despite evidence, 9/11 despite evidence, and all sorts of other stuff. Were the buildings rigged for demo, fSome times it is proven that we have been lied to and sometimes it isnt. You cant really blame people for being curious sometimes although i accept that that curiousity can sometimes be completely misguided.
For example, JFK.
Do you feel the alternative theories hold any water, or are you comfortable with the official story?
k no! Freefall speed? Well, no, you can see in one of the videos. Own footprint? Well, no, you can see one of them toppling with your own eyes. Pentagon missile - an obvious fantasy.There are enough strange things in this world to read about and marvel at, such as the Antikythera mechanism https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... and many, many other marvels.
This stuff is toxic, it really is. I've tried to hold rational conversations with people about it and they are the most closed-minded people I've ever met - despite thinking they are open minded. It pervades and invades them, it rots them and quite frankly makes them very unhappy. Very, very unhappy.
And the thing is, even with all these truthers out there, if the US govt has kept this stuff secret up until now, then it's not going to come out now as the US govt is notoriously bad at keeping secrets.
You want real, verified through testimony and court document damaging conspiracy? Read Dark Alliance by Gary Webb. Read anything about the US messing about with the ME and South America. That's interesting and real.
Honestly, step out for a few days, ask yourself if there's an end to this or are you going to really discover something. Ask if it's making you happier or unhappier.
It's pure acid, man.
Ok, so as a starting point, you do believe that the (most popular ever?) President of the united states was murdered by some kind of secretive group because they didnt like the cut of his jib ( lets keep it simple) he was promoting peace.
So, it follows that that this group wanted the country to go in different direction (not peace).
And since then, the US has been carrying out wars almost continually.
It seems to me that 'they' who ever they are, would be prepared to do just about anything to justify keeping that going.
When that is your starting point, it is easy to believe pretty much anything!
Anyway, i need to go and do some stuff so will be back later
So, it follows that that this group wanted the country to go in different direction (not peace).
And since then, the US has been carrying out wars almost continually.
It seems to me that 'they' who ever they are, would be prepared to do just about anything to justify keeping that going.
When that is your starting point, it is easy to believe pretty much anything!
Anyway, i need to go and do some stuff so will be back later
Shuvi McTupya said:
When that is your starting point, it is easy to believe pretty much anything!
No, no it's not. That could have been the Mafia, political opponents or whoever. Criminals don't like to get caught, quite frankly and cover their tracks.But we're in another Universe that is a very crazy place now. Remember the activist/comedian Mark Thomas? He almost disappeared as he was taken for a ride by ex-MI5 David Shayler. Shayler was first to say that missile cloaked in holograms brought down the towers, he ended up wandering about in women's clothes. Mental person - BUT, some unstable people are still hooked on the cloaked missile theory.
What about the woman who survived the tube bombings? When the conspiracy nuts started doubting her story she even attended their meetings to get the story straight! What happened? They said she was a plant, making it up, couldn't have happned the way she said! https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2t...
Both these stories are in the 'Psocopath Test' by Jon Ronson, well, well worth a read!!
Some interesting stuff out there, but it takes you right down the rabbit hole - proper Alice in Wonderland stuff that WILL drive you crazy.
Read it, enjoy it, but don't let it take over. It's a new religion, with new gods, and new devils and it'll rot you from the inside out.
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LordGrover said:
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The food industry isn't a conspiracy, they're just capitalists selling shyte to the gullible! 
jshell said:
No, no it's not. That could have been the Mafia, political opponents or whoever. Criminals don't like to get caught, quite frankly and cover their tracks.
But we're in another Universe that is a very crazy place now. Remember the activist/comedian Mark Thomas? He almost disappeared as he was taken for a ride by ex-MI5 David Shayler. Shayler was first to say that missile cloaked in holograms brought down the towers, he ended up wandering about in women's clothes. Mental person - BUT, some unstable people are still hooked on the cloaked missile theory.
What about the woman who survived the tube bombings? When the conspiracy nuts started doubting her story she even attended their meetings to get the story straight! What happened? They said she was a plant, making it up, couldn't have happned the way she said! https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2t...
Both these stories are in the 'Psocopath Test' by Jon Ronson, well, well worth a read!!
Some interesting stuff out there, but it takes you right down the rabbit hole - proper Alice in Wonderland stuff that WILL drive you crazy.
Read it, enjoy it, but don't let it take over. It's a new religion, with new gods, and new devils and it'll rot you from the inside out.
I remember the name (mark Thomas ) but I don't really know his story.But we're in another Universe that is a very crazy place now. Remember the activist/comedian Mark Thomas? He almost disappeared as he was taken for a ride by ex-MI5 David Shayler. Shayler was first to say that missile cloaked in holograms brought down the towers, he ended up wandering about in women's clothes. Mental person - BUT, some unstable people are still hooked on the cloaked missile theory.
What about the woman who survived the tube bombings? When the conspiracy nuts started doubting her story she even attended their meetings to get the story straight! What happened? They said she was a plant, making it up, couldn't have happned the way she said! https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2t...
Both these stories are in the 'Psocopath Test' by Jon Ronson, well, well worth a read!!
Some interesting stuff out there, but it takes you right down the rabbit hole - proper Alice in Wonderland stuff that WILL drive you crazy.
Read it, enjoy it, but don't let it take over. It's a new religion, with new gods, and new devils and it'll rot you from the inside out.
As far as all these other conspiracies go (moon landings and stuff) I have never invested any time in them but 9/11 caught me at just the right (or wrong) time and I dived in .
As I have said before i wish I hadn't
A mate of mine who I have a lot of respect for was really into it and warned me that madness lies that way and I should have listened but I got sucked in.
That said I am not doing a U turn, as silly as it sounds to 'non truthers' I believe what I believe. Maybe that will change one day!
Cheers
Shuvi McTupya said:
The main reason why I tend not to engage with you is because of that sort of response .
I don't enjoy internet fights and rudeness.
Don't post idiotic crap and I'll engage with you differently.I don't enjoy internet fights and rudeness.
I gave you a chance to either post some credible evidence or climb down as gracefully as you wanted, but you posted drivel.
jshell said:
Front bottom said:
A twist in the Diana saga.
I can't say it surprises me if true.
http://yournewswire.com/mi5-agent-killed-princess-...
Ha, mental old man tries to leave confusing legacy...I can't say it surprises me if true.
http://yournewswire.com/mi5-agent-killed-princess-...
Edited by GOG440 on Friday 23 June 16:54
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