Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

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SCEtoAUX

4,119 posts

81 months

Saturday 16th September 2017
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Why do people pay for golf lessons, when there's a perfectly good handicap system in place meaning that you can be competitive, regardless of your ability?

I know there's an "It's more fun the better you get" argument, but I don't buy it. Like many golfers I enjoy the game most in nice weather, when you don't have to wait on every hole and when you're playing with a good bunch of people.

I play off of 13, could probably get down to 10 or 11 if I threw a few hundred quid at lessons, but my enjoyment would still be based on the above factors and not on the fact I'd got a bit better.

alorotom

11,937 posts

187 months

Saturday 16th September 2017
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Honing ability, when I was a teen I played of 9 and couldn't get any lower, I had a free hr with Nick Faldo and learned a huge amount and decided to speak to my club pro and had a series of lessons with him. I changed my stance and honed my swing and got down to 3 - I could never have done this without professional assistance

MissChief

7,101 posts

168 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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TvrTone said:
Sorry if the question has been asked before but why is the keyboard of a calculator laid out like this

789
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Whereas a phone keypad is laid out thus

123
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All shall be revealed here! http://guruprasad.net/posts/why-1-2-3-is-on-bottom...

Rostfritt

3,098 posts

151 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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StevieBee said:
Yes.

In the 90s, I worked as Marketing Manager at Barnardo's trading division and some of their stores turned over as much as neighbouring commercial stores but with a fraction of the overheads.

Not all shops were intended to make a profit. You'd have shops in wealthy areas where people would donate but seldom buy so the stuff donated there would go to a central warehouse and then be distributed out to stores in lower income areas.

It was (and I assume still is) a very slick operation and from memory, accounted for something like 20% of Barnardo's revenue. In the mid 90s, they were bringing in something like £110m annually and operating on a 16% overhead so the stores made a huge contribution to their work.
I've volunteered at a charity warehouse sorting through donations. A few random things which needed chucking, like a U-shaped mat that goes round a toilet base (I'm sure they have a name) and dirty and worn clothes. No sex toys or lingerie thankfully. They do shift it around so donations don't end up in the same store. They also store stuff over seasons, otherwise they just have stuff that people have just got rid of, which is probably just going out of season, like winter jackets in spring. They also picked out anything valuable to put on eBay.

SCEtoAUX

4,119 posts

81 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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alorotom said:
Honing ability, when I was a teen I played of 9 and couldn't get any lower, I had a free hr with Nick Faldo and learned a huge amount and decided to speak to my club pro and had a series of lessons with him. I changed my stance and honed my swing and got down to 3 - I could never have done this without professional assistance
That's not what I'm asking though. I can see that having lessons can make you better, but it brings your handicap down and you therefore need to play better anyway.

Imagine if as you got better at snooker, the other person got more and more free points at the start.

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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MartG said:
glazbagun said:
Related to the above- is there any reason why you shouldn't drink water from the hot tap?

It was a truism I was raised with as a child which I now suspect has something to do with the quality/type of boilers or maybe lead piping back in ye olde days, but I've never been brave enough to try. I can, however, think of no logical reason why mains water would be less drinkable simply because it had passed through a combi boiler.
Back in the day, with tank systems ( i.e. non-combi ), the hot water would have been pressurised by a header tank in the attic. Not uncommon for that to get contaminated by spiders etc. falling into it
A good video explaining it here

https://youtu.be/HfHgUu_8KgA

Rostfritt

3,098 posts

151 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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Rick101 said:
Why can't you make hot drinks from the hot water tap?

Maybe a silly question, but isn't a combi boiler essentially a big kettle?
To make a proper brew, you need boiling water. The problem with piping that is you have to raise the temperature until some of it is becoming steam, which expands to over 1000 times the volume of liquid water.

As far as I'm aware there is nothing you can get that uses gas to raise water to boiling which shuts off when this is achieved. Typically you would have whistling kettle which you would shut off yourself when done.

I did however once stay at a hostel where the hot water tank was set to a temperature of 90c, which is a terrible idea, unless you are trying to sterilise the system. I know this is done sometimes to get rid of legionnaires.

Also you can now get boiling water taps, which are quite expensive. These have a very insulated tank held at quite a high temperature so when the tap is turned on it only has to heat it a little bit to come out of the tap, however these are usually under the counter so don't pipe boiling water round the house.

alorotom

11,937 posts

187 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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Rostfritt said:
Rick101 said:
Why can't you make hot drinks from the hot water tap?

Maybe a silly question, but isn't a combi boiler essentially a big kettle?
To make a proper brew, you need boiling water. The problem with piping that is you have to raise the temperature until some of it is becoming steam, which expands to over 1000 times the volume of liquid water.

As far as I'm aware there is nothing you can get that uses gas to raise water to boiling which shuts off when this is achieved. Typically you would have whistling kettle which you would shut off yourself when done.

I did however once stay at a hostel where the hot water tank was set to a temperature of 90c, which is a terrible idea, unless you are trying to sterilise the system. I know this is done sometimes to get rid of legionnaires.

Also you can now get boiling water taps, which are quite expensive. These have a very insulated tank held at quite a high temperature so when the tap is turned on it only has to heat it a little bit to come out of the tap, however these are usually under the counter so don't pipe boiling water round the house.
middle of the road solution ... http://www.quooker.co.uk/enuk

glazbagun

14,276 posts

197 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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alorotom said:
Rostfritt said:
Rick101 said:
Why can't you make hot drinks from the hot water tap?

Maybe a silly question, but isn't a combi boiler essentially a big kettle?
To make a proper brew, you need boiling water. The problem with piping that is you have to raise the temperature until some of it is becoming steam, which expands to over 1000 times the volume of liquid water.

As far as I'm aware there is nothing you can get that uses gas to raise water to boiling which shuts off when this is achieved. Typically you would have whistling kettle which you would shut off yourself when done.

I did however once stay at a hostel where the hot water tank was set to a temperature of 90c, which is a terrible idea, unless you are trying to sterilise the system. I know this is done sometimes to get rid of legionnaires.

Also you can now get boiling water taps, which are quite expensive. These have a very insulated tank held at quite a high temperature so when the tap is turned on it only has to heat it a little bit to come out of the tap, however these are usually under the counter so don't pipe boiling water round the house.
middle of the road solution ... http://www.quooker.co.uk/enuk
You also get push button kettles which drip really hot water directly into your cup. They ever seem to be quite as good as just boiling a kettlefull yourself though.

On a related note- a teabag is made of paper and perforated. When you drop it into a cup and it becomes wet, however, it manages to trap air inside and will float to the top. The air can stay inside even if you submerge it slightly. What happens to the paper when it gets wet where the perforations prevent air from leaving but not water entering?

V8mate

45,899 posts

189 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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When TV journos head out to areas of natural disaster and other human tragedy (war, refugee movements etc), what do they do for food, accommodation etc.


FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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V8mate said:
When TV journos head out to areas of natural disaster and other human tragedy (war, refugee movements etc), what do they do for food, accommodation etc.
Most people who work in the media have a Nandos black card.

HTH

98elise

26,502 posts

161 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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Why do people with prosthetic legs wear shorts in preference to trousers?

I've noticed a few people with prosthetic's in shorts, and I was watching a program on the invictus games and an ex-soldier was now training cadets and he had cut off combats. He wouldn't have a modified his uniform unless there was a practical reason.

Eddie Strohacker

3,879 posts

86 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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How many people with prosthetics & trousers haven't you noticed? wink

GroundEffect

13,835 posts

156 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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98elise said:
Why do people with prosthetic legs wear shorts in preference to trousers?

I've noticed a few people with prosthetic's in shorts, and I was watching a program on the invictus games and an ex-soldier was now training cadets and he had cut off combats. He wouldn't have a modified his uniform unless there was a practical reason.
If they need to take it off and on without faff of taking off trousers?

And maybe the motion doesn't work quite right with material in the way so they can't walk as they had learned?

deeen

6,079 posts

245 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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GroundEffect said:
98elise said:
Why do people with prosthetic legs wear shorts in preference to trousers?

I've noticed a few people with prosthetic's in shorts, and I was watching a program on the invictus games and an ex-soldier was now training cadets and he had cut off combats. He wouldn't have a modified his uniform unless there was a practical reason.
If they need to take it off and on without faff of taking off trousers?

And maybe the motion doesn't work quite right with material in the way so they can't walk as they had learned?
Less washing and ironing (or more weeks between loads).

P-Jay

10,563 posts

191 months

Monday 18th September 2017
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Thankyou4calling said:
Do actors in soaps wear there own clothes?
Nope, as someone else said there's issues around continuity, also they mostly have to be completely unbranded and without any colours or materials that look funny on-screen.

Not to mention, Soap Stars are quite wealthy these days and are unlikely to have the sort of clothes that would look right in a working class pub in the east end or to work in a small factory in the North.

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schmunk

4,399 posts

125 months

Monday 18th September 2017
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P-Jay said:
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SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Monday 18th September 2017
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SCEtoAUX said:
Why do people pay for golf lessons, when there's a perfectly good handicap system in place meaning that you can be competitive, regardless of your ability?

I know there's an "It's more fun the better you get" argument, but I don't buy it. Like many golfers I enjoy the game most in nice weather, when you don't have to wait on every hole and when you're playing with a good bunch of people.

I play off of 13, could probably get down to 10 or 11 if I threw a few hundred quid at lessons, but my enjoyment would still be based on the above factors and not on the fact I'd got a bit better.
Pseud's Corner Answer:

Golf in the pure, zen sense is not played against other people. It's played against yourself.


Practical answer:

Your handicap doesn't make you competitive. It just tells people the precise degree to which you are uncompetitive.

Playing golf well is simply more fun than playing badly. Drilling one down the middle is more fun that ballooning one into the cabbage. Sinking a putt is more fun than missing it. Landing a ball softly next to the flag is more fun than scuffing it into a lake.

Not to mention that winning is more fun than losing.

Whilst a handicap allows two golfers of differing standard to enjoy a match together, the actual nett result is pretty immaterial. Whoever took the fewest shots is actually the winner, and everyone quietly knows it.That's a golfer off 25 who beats a golfer off 5 'on the day' doesn't do any boasting about it. It's not a 'real' win.

It goes without saying that any proper golf tournament doesn't entertain handicaps. Best Gross IS golf. Either in strokeplay or matchplay formats. Everything else is a bit of a fudge.

SCEtoAUX

4,119 posts

81 months

Monday 18th September 2017
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SpeckledJim said:
SCEtoAUX said:
Why do people pay for golf lessons, when there's a perfectly good handicap system in place meaning that you can be competitive, regardless of your ability?

I know there's an "It's more fun the better you get" argument, but I don't buy it. Like many golfers I enjoy the game most in nice weather, when you don't have to wait on every hole and when you're playing with a good bunch of people.

I play off of 13, could probably get down to 10 or 11 if I threw a few hundred quid at lessons, but my enjoyment would still be based on the above factors and not on the fact I'd got a bit better.
Pseud's Corner Answer:

Golf in the pure, zen sense is not played against other people. It's played against yourself.


Practical answer:

Your handicap doesn't make you competitive. It just tells people the precise degree to which you are uncompetitive.

Playing golf well is simply more fun than playing badly. Drilling one down the middle is more fun that ballooning one into the cabbage. Sinking a putt is more fun than missing it. Landing a ball softly next to the flag is more fun than scuffing it into a lake.

Not to mention that winning is more fun than losing.

Whilst a handicap allows two golfers of differing standard to enjoy a match together, the actual nett result is pretty immaterial. Whoever took the fewest shots is actually the winner, and everyone quietly knows it.That's a golfer off 25 who beats a golfer off 5 'on the day' doesn't do any boasting about it. It's not a 'real' win.

It goes without saying that any proper golf tournament doesn't entertain handicaps. Best Gross IS golf. Either in strokeplay or matchplay formats. Everything else is a bit of a fudge.
Well that's a very reasonable answer and thanks for taking the time to write it. I agree that playing badly isn't as much fun as playing well, but how do we measure well or badly?

You could make the case that Jordan Speith plays well, and by comparison even the best player at most clubs plays badly relative to him. My question assumed that *most* golfers can hit a ball fairly well, they'll find most fairways, sink a few putts, and stick one to within six inches on a few occasions each year. That golfer will occasionally have a good round by their own standards, and have plenty of bad ones too. This is related to your "Zen" answer.

Thus, the golfer I refer to above will have most fun when he plays better than he usually does, and not so much fun when he doesn't. He's never going to be Jordan Speith though. What he can do is spend money on lessons and get a bit better, but then all he'll be doing is raising the "Zen" standard that he has and still need to perform relatively better or worse to have more/less fun.

I don't agree with your "real winner" suggestion though. My club, and many others, it littered with trophies containing the names of people who have had the best nett score in a competition. Try telling a bloke who plays off of 18 that on the day he shot a 78 and won a trophy he wasn't the real winner.

Still an interesting question I think and it's partly prompted by the fact that there's a whole industry, full of golf professionals, who want to sell you things. The cynic in me does not want to buy those things (gear or lessons) because I genuinely don't equate getting better with more enjoyment. My enjoyment comes from playing better than I would expect to on any given occasion.

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Monday 18th September 2017
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Surely its just about improving your technique though to allow you to be better?

I haven't picked up a golf club in about 20 years other than for crazy golf type games, I have no doubt that were I to try and hit the ball down the range, I'd fail miserably to get it in the vague sense of the right direction enough time to be fun for anyone else to play along with as I'd be in the rough or in the bunker or the lake or just manage 100 yards maybe..

Same with anything else. I could go to the gym, lift a few weights a few times a week and probably get progressively better at it, if by "better" we mean I could lift a heavier weight. But then, what if I could lift an even heavier weight by having a professional show me the correct technique for lifting so that I don't damage myself?


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