The PH Cigar Thread
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A good week(+) for cigar smoking.
Last Saturday, the 3rd, was possibly one the more pleasant days we are likely to see until next spring.
Following a (far too brief) viewing of the London to Brighton veteran cars on Regent Street in the early afternoon I made my way to JJ Fox's, St. James.
Given that they'd been recently mentioned (paulguitar above), and feeling quite certain that I had never yet smoked one (a 54 but never the 50), I selected the Upmann Magnum 50 for the sampling lounge.
An Upmann Coronas Junior was, if I recall correctly, my first 'real' cigar, and I remember enjoying them immensely.
The Magnum was no exception.
For me it's a great size. I've always been a fan of cigars in the region of the Churchill vitola and the slightly chunkier, slightly shorter Magnum fits the bill nicely.
Rated light to medium, I would say to the light side of medium. Pleasant, even smoking throughout, no re-lighting required, developing to slightly stronger towards the end as one might expect. I will 'avoid' this one no longer.
Flavour: Light to Medium
Length: 6 1/4" (161 mm)
Ring Gauge: 50
The remainder of the afternoon / early evening was a very pleasant few beers and a R&J Churchill at the sidewalk tables outside Franco's.
Couldn't have asked for better weather given the time of year.
Back in April/May this year I posted on the Quai d Orsay 50, and later the coronas.
Both lovely cigars, with the 50 being by far the superior of the two.
At the time, my only complaint about the 50 was - it's too damned short!
Well finally, the 54 is to the rescue, but at a price.
I grabbed one of these as I was leaving Fox's, last Saturday (the last in the box) and finally got around to smoking it under near ideal circumstances; on the couch with a classic Bogart on the 'box' and a large brandy snifter of vintage port.
I did say craigjm, that it was likely that I'd disagree with you about this one, and I can confirm that I do so most wholeheartedly.
I had recently enjoyed a 50, so was looking forward to making the comparison.
Firstly, I must confess that mine was a bit tight and required a little more work to smoke than I would have preferred. (Given that it was the last cigar in the last box, the selection process was necessarily limited)
But what a cigar.
So much like the 50, yet so much more. More of the same flavour, but punchier, fuller. And it lasted so much longer.
For all that it was a bit tight, I didn't need to re-light until near then end when I let it rest while I errm, well, it was a whole film...
Yes, it lasted right through 99 minutes of 'Knock on any Door'.
I said "at a price". This was, at shop prices, £9 / £10 more than the 50.
To be fair, the 50 is an absolute bargain price cigar for the Gauge and quality, so the extra tenner is perfectly reasonable to my mind.
I would base my choice between on or the other firstly on available smoking time rather than any other factor.
Quai d Orsay No. 54
Length: 5 1/3"
Ring Gauge: 54
Strength: Light
Quai d Orsay No. 50
Flavour: Light
Length: 4 3/8"
Ring Gauge: 50
Last Saturday, the 3rd, was possibly one the more pleasant days we are likely to see until next spring.
Following a (far too brief) viewing of the London to Brighton veteran cars on Regent Street in the early afternoon I made my way to JJ Fox's, St. James.
Given that they'd been recently mentioned (paulguitar above), and feeling quite certain that I had never yet smoked one (a 54 but never the 50), I selected the Upmann Magnum 50 for the sampling lounge.
An Upmann Coronas Junior was, if I recall correctly, my first 'real' cigar, and I remember enjoying them immensely.
The Magnum was no exception.
For me it's a great size. I've always been a fan of cigars in the region of the Churchill vitola and the slightly chunkier, slightly shorter Magnum fits the bill nicely.
Rated light to medium, I would say to the light side of medium. Pleasant, even smoking throughout, no re-lighting required, developing to slightly stronger towards the end as one might expect. I will 'avoid' this one no longer.
Flavour: Light to Medium
Length: 6 1/4" (161 mm)
Ring Gauge: 50
The remainder of the afternoon / early evening was a very pleasant few beers and a R&J Churchill at the sidewalk tables outside Franco's.
Couldn't have asked for better weather given the time of year.
Back in April/May this year I posted on the Quai d Orsay 50, and later the coronas.
Both lovely cigars, with the 50 being by far the superior of the two.
At the time, my only complaint about the 50 was - it's too damned short!
Well finally, the 54 is to the rescue, but at a price.
I grabbed one of these as I was leaving Fox's, last Saturday (the last in the box) and finally got around to smoking it under near ideal circumstances; on the couch with a classic Bogart on the 'box' and a large brandy snifter of vintage port.
I did say craigjm, that it was likely that I'd disagree with you about this one, and I can confirm that I do so most wholeheartedly.
I had recently enjoyed a 50, so was looking forward to making the comparison.
Firstly, I must confess that mine was a bit tight and required a little more work to smoke than I would have preferred. (Given that it was the last cigar in the last box, the selection process was necessarily limited)
But what a cigar.
So much like the 50, yet so much more. More of the same flavour, but punchier, fuller. And it lasted so much longer.
For all that it was a bit tight, I didn't need to re-light until near then end when I let it rest while I errm, well, it was a whole film...
Yes, it lasted right through 99 minutes of 'Knock on any Door'.
I said "at a price". This was, at shop prices, £9 / £10 more than the 50.
To be fair, the 50 is an absolute bargain price cigar for the Gauge and quality, so the extra tenner is perfectly reasonable to my mind.
I would base my choice between on or the other firstly on available smoking time rather than any other factor.
Quai d Orsay No. 54
Length: 5 1/3"
Ring Gauge: 54
Strength: Light
Quai d Orsay No. 50
Flavour: Light
Length: 4 3/8"
Ring Gauge: 50
craigjm said:
I’m not entirely convinced the 54 I had that day was quite right. I need to try another one before condemning it. Everything gets a second chance with me
Well, if that should turn out to be the case, then given that you had grabbed the second to last cigar from the last box; you will have done me a favour.Thanks bud!
Mastodon2 said:
I had one of these Camacho Barrel-Aged smokes last weekend, but I'd had a few months off since my last stick so I think I need to dial my pallate back in to really appreciate the flavours. Any excuse to have another one this weekend!
I like those. I like the whole Camacho range actually. Good value.Edited by Mastodon2 on Tuesday 13th November 22:00
Hi all,
I was in a cigar bar yesterday in Pasadena, Los Angeles and was recommended a Davidoff Winston Churchill Late Hour. Very nice place and cigar if your in the area.
https://us.davidoffgeneva.com/All-Formats/Churchil...
I was in a cigar bar yesterday in Pasadena, Los Angeles and was recommended a Davidoff Winston Churchill Late Hour. Very nice place and cigar if your in the area.
https://us.davidoffgeneva.com/All-Formats/Churchil...
jinkster said:
I finally made it to James J fox lounge. Currently sat here with a short Churchill whilst the better half is in Fortnums doing some Christmas shopping!
Very civilised. And avoiding Fortnums as well.Had the pleasure of a Hoyo de Monterray Epicure No.1 on Thursday afternoon on the terrace at Coq d'Argent in the City. Not a large selection but nice to find somewhere 50 metres from my office to have a quiet smoke.
craigjm said:
jinkster said:
I finally made it to James J fox lounge. Currently sat here with a short Churchill whilst the better half is in Fortnums doing some Christmas shopping!
Very good. One of my favourite haunts Some help needed if you don't mind gents, this is well outside of any area of knowledge I have. I don't know if any of you the tried these, I'm assuming someone will (see pic)
But I'm trying to find similar easily available over here for someone, for those that haven't tried them I'm told they're not overly strong and have fruit flavoured aftertaste, I've tried all the Google searches I can think of to find these actual cigars but I'm getting no luck past a massive box of 50 in the UK. Budget isnt massive as the idea at the moment is a bit of stocking fillers present and to try one or two different flavours, I'm not even sure if flavour is the right word
Any alternatives/suggestions are more than welcome and I can pass the ideas on.
Thanks
But I'm trying to find similar easily available over here for someone, for those that haven't tried them I'm told they're not overly strong and have fruit flavoured aftertaste, I've tried all the Google searches I can think of to find these actual cigars but I'm getting no luck past a massive box of 50 in the UK. Budget isnt massive as the idea at the moment is a bit of stocking fillers present and to try one or two different flavours, I'm not even sure if flavour is the right word
Any alternatives/suggestions are more than welcome and I can pass the ideas on.
Thanks
Edited by DanielSan on Thursday 13th December 01:08
Googling "Tatiana groovy blue cigars near me" produced several outlets in Pennsylvania.
There is a tobacconist in Victoria (London) that seems to stock a fair variety of 'flavoured' 'cigars'.
I can't put a name to them but it might be worth phoning around those that come up in google/yelp as being in London Victoria?
There is a tobacconist in Victoria (London) that seems to stock a fair variety of 'flavoured' 'cigars'.
I can't put a name to them but it might be worth phoning around those that come up in google/yelp as being in London Victoria?
DanielSan said:
Some help needed if you don't mind gents, this is well outside of any area of knowledge I have. I don't know if any of you the tried these, I'm assuming someone will (see pic)
But I'm trying to find similar easily available over here for someone, for those that haven't tried them I'm told they're not overly strong and have fruit flavoured aftertaste, I've tried all the Google searches I can think of to find these actual cigars but I'm getting no luck past a massive box of 50 in the UK. Budget isnt massive as the idea at the moment is a bit of stocking fillers present and to try one or two different flavours, I'm not even sure if flavour is the right word
Any alternatives/suggestions are more than welcome and I can pass the ideas on.
Thanks
I don't know where you'd find anything like that in the UK, though most tobacconists will have some "flavoured" cigars, usually rum or whisky, normally only a few quid a pop and quite probably bloody awful. That I've never seen a proper cigar smoking having one speaks volumes.But I'm trying to find similar easily available over here for someone, for those that haven't tried them I'm told they're not overly strong and have fruit flavoured aftertaste, I've tried all the Google searches I can think of to find these actual cigars but I'm getting no luck past a massive box of 50 in the UK. Budget isnt massive as the idea at the moment is a bit of stocking fillers present and to try one or two different flavours, I'm not even sure if flavour is the right word
Any alternatives/suggestions are more than welcome and I can pass the ideas on.
Thanks
Edited by DanielSan on Thursday 13th December 01:08
If you don't have a lot to spend, you'd be a lot better off just getting one or two proper cigars in tubes. You can get a really nice smoke for £15 or so these days. Proper long filler, good wrappers and none of this "dipped in whiskey" rubbish.
Mastodon2 said:
DanielSan said:
Some help needed if you don't mind gents, this is well outside of any area of knowledge I have. I don't know if any of you the tried these, I'm assuming someone will (see pic)
But I'm trying to find similar easily available over here for someone, for those that haven't tried them I'm told they're not overly strong and have fruit flavoured aftertaste, I've tried all the Google searches I can think of to find these actual cigars but I'm getting no luck past a massive box of 50 in the UK. Budget isnt massive as the idea at the moment is a bit of stocking fillers present and to try one or two different flavours, I'm not even sure if flavour is the right word
Any alternatives/suggestions are more than welcome and I can pass the ideas on.
Thanks
I don't know where you'd find anything like that in the UK, though most tobacconists will have some "flavoured" cigars, usually rum or whisky, normally only a few quid a pop and quite probably bloody awful. That I've never seen a proper cigar smoking having one speaks volumes.But I'm trying to find similar easily available over here for someone, for those that haven't tried them I'm told they're not overly strong and have fruit flavoured aftertaste, I've tried all the Google searches I can think of to find these actual cigars but I'm getting no luck past a massive box of 50 in the UK. Budget isnt massive as the idea at the moment is a bit of stocking fillers present and to try one or two different flavours, I'm not even sure if flavour is the right word
Any alternatives/suggestions are more than welcome and I can pass the ideas on.
Thanks
Edited by DanielSan on Thursday 13th December 01:08
If you don't have a lot to spend, you'd be a lot better off just getting one or two proper cigars in tubes. You can get a really nice smoke for £15 or so these days. Proper long filler, good wrappers and none of this "dipped in whiskey" rubbish.
DanielSan said:
Some help needed if you don't mind gents, this is well outside of any area of knowledge I have. I don't know if any of you the tried these, I'm assuming someone will (see pic)
But I'm trying to find similar easily available over here for someone, for those that haven't tried them I'm told they're not overly strong and have fruit flavoured aftertaste, I've tried all the Google searches I can think of to find these actual cigars but I'm getting no luck past a massive box of 50 in the UK. Budget isnt massive as the idea at the moment is a bit of stocking fillers present and to try one or two different flavours, I'm not even sure if flavour is the right word
Any alternatives/suggestions are more than welcome and I can pass the ideas on.
Thanks
Echoing what another poster said. Buy a couple of nice tubos but don’t let them dry out if you’re not storing them in a humidor. They really shouldn’t be outside a humidor any moe than a couple of days. But I'm trying to find similar easily available over here for someone, for those that haven't tried them I'm told they're not overly strong and have fruit flavoured aftertaste, I've tried all the Google searches I can think of to find these actual cigars but I'm getting no luck past a massive box of 50 in the UK. Budget isnt massive as the idea at the moment is a bit of stocking fillers present and to try one or two different flavours, I'm not even sure if flavour is the right word
Any alternatives/suggestions are more than welcome and I can pass the ideas on.
Thanks
Edited by DanielSan on Thursday 13th December 01:08
Any cigar brand that uses the word groovy should be given an extremely wide birth, for glaringly obvious reasons.
jinkster said:
Where does anyone go during the darker/ wetter months for a smoke? I don't want to sit indoors at home (the mrs would shoot me!) and it's a bit chilly/ wet to sit in the garden.
London is fortunate to have a few places like JK Fox sampling lounge and a few hotels like the Mayfair have covered heated smoking lounges. I guess outside of London you are a bit stuck craigjm said:
jinkster said:
Where does anyone go during the darker/ wetter months for a smoke? I don't want to sit indoors at home (the mrs would shoot me!) and it's a bit chilly/ wet to sit in the garden.
London is fortunate to have a few places like JK Fox sampling lounge and a few hotels like the Mayfair have covered heated smoking lounges. I guess outside of London you are a bit stuck jinkster said:
craigjm said:
jinkster said:
Where does anyone go during the darker/ wetter months for a smoke? I don't want to sit indoors at home (the mrs would shoot me!) and it's a bit chilly/ wet to sit in the garden.
London is fortunate to have a few places like JK Fox sampling lounge and a few hotels like the Mayfair have covered heated smoking lounges. I guess outside of London you are a bit stuck Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff