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Crossflow Kid said:
Thing is, what do these 4x4 Emergency Response Incident Drama Disaster Crisis muppets actually do?
Dragging stuck camper vans out of a boggy field at Glastonbury is hardly "response" work is it, and it certainly isn't the job of the emergency services.
And what are the "issues" surrounding use of hired vehicles? Are you seriously suggesting plod and Trumpton would rather employ the services of a pot-bellied scout master dressed in eBay hi-viz, rocking up in his 150,000 mile caravan-dragging Discovery2 over a trained firefighter helming a year-old Navarra from SHB? Yeah right....:
plenty of things , not just supporting the 999 services Dragging stuck camper vans out of a boggy field at Glastonbury is hardly "response" work is it, and it certainly isn't the job of the emergency services.
And what are the "issues" surrounding use of hired vehicles? Are you seriously suggesting plod and Trumpton would rather employ the services of a pot-bellied scout master dressed in eBay hi-viz, rocking up in his 150,000 mile caravan-dragging Discovery2 over a trained firefighter helming a year-old Navarra from SHB? Yeah right....:
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Thursday 12th May 22:08
- community Nurses/ midwives / GPs either for home visits or to collect people who woudl usually make their own way in / use dial -a- ride etc
- some ofthe 'car work' for the PTS ambulance services espcially out in the sticks
- domicillary care
- meals on wheels
- checking on 'vulnerable' members of the community
- surveying routes for the council highways dept and clearing trees / debris etc
with regard to the use of none owned /long leased vehicles by the emergency services for response work it;s generally more to do with the use of VAS / mountain rescue/ Lowland SAR / Coastguard CRT etc vehicles as they are fully marked, lit and may well have airwave etc ... vs no lights / livery / comms on a spot hire - so a huge governance risk if used for response work
ChemicalChaos said:
Next time I give up my Boxing day to answer a callout to ferry district nurses through floodwater to their housebound patients, I'll remember your kind words.
Next time I spend all day standing in the pouring rain, copping vile abuse from entitled members of the public who think they can ignore an approved road closure put in place for the safety of a St George's Day parade, I'll remember your kind words.
Next time I'm running late for work, but stop to tow a broken down car off a dangerous busy road to a nearby carpark, I'll remember your kind words.
Next time I spend a snowy Christmas sober, sleeping with one eye on my phone, I'll remember your kind words.
The next time a handful of people work tirelessly to extract thousands of cars from a rain-soaked festival, I'm sure they'd be overjoyed to hear your kind words.
But hey, what would I know? I'm only a member of a highly professional organisation, trained by time served off road instructors, that the normal emergency services often turn to for volunteer manpower, or logistical help in extreme circumstances.
Must...call...International Rescue....car park is flooded....Next time I spend all day standing in the pouring rain, copping vile abuse from entitled members of the public who think they can ignore an approved road closure put in place for the safety of a St George's Day parade, I'll remember your kind words.
Next time I'm running late for work, but stop to tow a broken down car off a dangerous busy road to a nearby carpark, I'll remember your kind words.
Next time I spend a snowy Christmas sober, sleeping with one eye on my phone, I'll remember your kind words.
The next time a handful of people work tirelessly to extract thousands of cars from a rain-soaked festival, I'm sure they'd be overjoyed to hear your kind words.
But hey, what would I know? I'm only a member of a highly professional organisation, trained by time served off road instructors, that the normal emergency services often turn to for volunteer manpower, or logistical help in extreme circumstances.
5.4.3.2.1 Thunderberks are go!
Edited by jdw100 on Thursday 12th May 23:34
mph1977 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Thing is, what do these 4x4 Emergency Response Incident Drama Disaster Crisis muppets actually do?
Dragging stuck camper vans out of a boggy field at Glastonbury is hardly "response" work is it, and it certainly isn't the job of the emergency services.
And what are the "issues" surrounding use of hired vehicles? Are you seriously suggesting plod and Trumpton would rather employ the services of a pot-bellied scout master dressed in eBay hi-viz, rocking up in his 150,000 mile caravan-dragging Discovery2 over a trained firefighter helming a year-old Navarra from SHB? Yeah right....:
plenty of things , not just supporting the 999 services Dragging stuck camper vans out of a boggy field at Glastonbury is hardly "response" work is it, and it certainly isn't the job of the emergency services.
And what are the "issues" surrounding use of hired vehicles? Are you seriously suggesting plod and Trumpton would rather employ the services of a pot-bellied scout master dressed in eBay hi-viz, rocking up in his 150,000 mile caravan-dragging Discovery2 over a trained firefighter helming a year-old Navarra from SHB? Yeah right....:
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Thursday 12th May 22:08
- community Nurses/ midwives / GPs either for home visits or to collect people who woudl usually make their own way in / use dial -a- ride etc
- some ofthe 'car work' for the PTS ambulance services espcially out in the sticks
- domicillary care
- meals on wheels
- checking on 'vulnerable' members of the community
- surveying routes for the council highways dept and clearing trees / debris etc
with regard to the use of none owned /long leased vehicles by the emergency services for response work it;s generally more to do with the use of VAS / mountain rescue/ Lowland SAR / Coastguard CRT etc vehicles as they are fully marked, lit and may well have airwave etc ... vs no lights / livery / comms on a spot hire - so a huge governance risk if used for response work
ClaphamGT3 said:
mph1977 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Thing is, what do these 4x4 Emergency Response Incident Drama Disaster Crisis muppets actually do?
Dragging stuck camper vans out of a boggy field at Glastonbury is hardly "response" work is it, and it certainly isn't the job of the emergency services.
And what are the "issues" surrounding use of hired vehicles? Are you seriously suggesting plod and Trumpton would rather employ the services of a pot-bellied scout master dressed in eBay hi-viz, rocking up in his 150,000 mile caravan-dragging Discovery2 over a trained firefighter helming a year-old Navarra from SHB? Yeah right....:
plenty of things , not just supporting the 999 services Dragging stuck camper vans out of a boggy field at Glastonbury is hardly "response" work is it, and it certainly isn't the job of the emergency services.
And what are the "issues" surrounding use of hired vehicles? Are you seriously suggesting plod and Trumpton would rather employ the services of a pot-bellied scout master dressed in eBay hi-viz, rocking up in his 150,000 mile caravan-dragging Discovery2 over a trained firefighter helming a year-old Navarra from SHB? Yeah right....:
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Thursday 12th May 22:08
- community Nurses/ midwives / GPs either for home visits or to collect people who woudl usually make their own way in / use dial -a- ride etc
- some ofthe 'car work' for the PTS ambulance services espcially out in the sticks
- domicillary care
- meals on wheels
- checking on 'vulnerable' members of the community
- surveying routes for the council highways dept and clearing trees / debris etc
with regard to the use of none owned /long leased vehicles by the emergency services for response work it;s generally more to do with the use of VAS / mountain rescue/ Lowland SAR / Coastguard CRT etc vehicles as they are fully marked, lit and may well have airwave etc ... vs no lights / livery / comms on a spot hire - so a huge governance risk if used for response work
ChemicalChaos said:
Next time I give up my Boxing day to answer a callout to ferry district nurses through floodwater to their housebound patients, I'll remember your kind words.
Next time I spend all day standing in the pouring rain, copping vile abuse from entitled members of the public who think they can ignore an approved road closure put in place for the safety of a St George's Day parade, I'll remember your kind words.
Next time I'm running late for work, but stop to tow a broken down car off a dangerous busy road to a nearby carpark, I'll remember your kind words.
Next time I spend a snowy Christmas sober, sleeping with one eye on my phone, I'll remember your kind words.
The next time a handful of people work tirelessly to extract thousands of cars from a rain-soaked festival, I'm sure they'd be overjoyed to hear your kind words.
But hey, what would I know? I'm only a member of a highly professional organisation, trained by time served off road instructors, that the normal emergency services often turn to for volunteer manpower, or logistical help in extreme circumstances.
This should be in the Sean Connery thread. Really brightened my night. Thank you.Next time I spend all day standing in the pouring rain, copping vile abuse from entitled members of the public who think they can ignore an approved road closure put in place for the safety of a St George's Day parade, I'll remember your kind words.
Next time I'm running late for work, but stop to tow a broken down car off a dangerous busy road to a nearby carpark, I'll remember your kind words.
Next time I spend a snowy Christmas sober, sleeping with one eye on my phone, I'll remember your kind words.
The next time a handful of people work tirelessly to extract thousands of cars from a rain-soaked festival, I'm sure they'd be overjoyed to hear your kind words.
But hey, what would I know? I'm only a member of a highly professional organisation, trained by time served off road instructors, that the normal emergency services often turn to for volunteer manpower, or logistical help in extreme circumstances.
mph1977 said:
with regard to the use of none owned /long leased vehicles by the emergency services for response work it;s generally more to do with the use of VAS / mountain rescue/ Lowland SAR / Coastguard CRT etc vehicles as they are fully marked, lit and may well have airwave etc ... vs no lights / livery / comms on a spot hire - so a huge governance risk if used for response work
You appear to be confusing official volunteer vehicles with the Have A Go Heroes.Yes, a correctly marked and equipped MRT wagon driven by a trained member of its parent service is of good value.
A privately owned tired 4x4 equipped to the owners vision of "useful" and driven by a well intentioned but naive "volunteer" is something else entirely.
When we were 15 / 16 or so we had a off road response type guy near us
Often out dealing with the areas situations by using his 4x4 with flashing lights
Lots of work at village fetes, church halls, branches in the road, parking being broken down stuff directing traffic. Not sure what other more serious stuff he got up to
Anyway me and a mate hatched a plan and started to store road cones we had found in the local woods until we had a good amount
Early one morning we put them across his end of the cul de sac
The panic we created was excellent
This was 15 years ago, he is still about - might strike up a convo when I next see him
Deep down I think he just likes to help out
Often out dealing with the areas situations by using his 4x4 with flashing lights
Lots of work at village fetes, church halls, branches in the road, parking being broken down stuff directing traffic. Not sure what other more serious stuff he got up to
Anyway me and a mate hatched a plan and started to store road cones we had found in the local woods until we had a good amount
Early one morning we put them across his end of the cul de sac
The panic we created was excellent
This was 15 years ago, he is still about - might strike up a convo when I next see him
Deep down I think he just likes to help out
After I left the army I became an adult instructor in the Army Cadet Force. Now, the ACF is a fantastic organisation that does great work developing young people and I'm very proud of the three years I spent there.
BUT it is also the easiest way to wear a military uniform with a rank and get to tell people what to do without all that tiresome bother of having to go through military training and working your way through a career with dangerous wars and the like. Consequently it attracts a number of odd fish.
The organisation knows this and it does now select out some of the more outrageous walts and creepy types but even so, it can become a bit all-consuming for some and there are those who take it all a bit too seriously. The sight of adult volunteers pulling rank on one another, or getting excited about mess etiquette, or arguing about whose regiment is better, is at one and the same time a joy and an agony to behold. And, as has been mentioned, the worst offenders are those who have achieved little elsewhere in their lives.
BUT it is also the easiest way to wear a military uniform with a rank and get to tell people what to do without all that tiresome bother of having to go through military training and working your way through a career with dangerous wars and the like. Consequently it attracts a number of odd fish.
The organisation knows this and it does now select out some of the more outrageous walts and creepy types but even so, it can become a bit all-consuming for some and there are those who take it all a bit too seriously. The sight of adult volunteers pulling rank on one another, or getting excited about mess etiquette, or arguing about whose regiment is better, is at one and the same time a joy and an agony to behold. And, as has been mentioned, the worst offenders are those who have achieved little elsewhere in their lives.
Kinda reminds me of the fire marshals in our office
When those bells start ringing, they go full blown International Rescue. As you'd expect, the uniform of choice is the grubby Hi Viz and musn't forget the massive 2 way radio conceived in the 1960's.
It's hard not laugh watching them try to redirect traffic and generally make a nuisance of themselves, mostly with people walking past who don't even work in our building!
I've also found the same with First Aid types. Now I've been a first aider for 22 years now, first job demanded it and I've stuck with it as i get paid more for being one!
Whenever i go to one of the refresher courses, there's always a few people who claim to be more proficient in medicine than a time served Doctor. It's never long before they start to take over from the instructors either, knowing more than everyone else. Pretty easy to spot them beforehand though, as they tend to arrive in a home made ambulance (Stickered up Astra estate).
When those bells start ringing, they go full blown International Rescue. As you'd expect, the uniform of choice is the grubby Hi Viz and musn't forget the massive 2 way radio conceived in the 1960's.
It's hard not laugh watching them try to redirect traffic and generally make a nuisance of themselves, mostly with people walking past who don't even work in our building!
I've also found the same with First Aid types. Now I've been a first aider for 22 years now, first job demanded it and I've stuck with it as i get paid more for being one!
Whenever i go to one of the refresher courses, there's always a few people who claim to be more proficient in medicine than a time served Doctor. It's never long before they start to take over from the instructors either, knowing more than everyone else. Pretty easy to spot them beforehand though, as they tend to arrive in a home made ambulance (Stickered up Astra estate).
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