Travellers.......
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Credit where credit is due:
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/police-swo...
Police arrest 'travellers'.
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/police-swo...
Police arrest 'travellers'.
irocfan said:
looks like the thieving scumbags have now rocked up at the Sainsburys in Wickford
I thought something was going on.Lots of door knocking in south woodham recently for driveways. And guess what? People are having them do it! And then going on the local Facebook page defending them calling people out who are saying they are travellers,saying they are very happy with the work and how hard they work.
Yes because:
Block paving
several different addresses
different company names on the same firms trucks
different phone numbers
The workforce ranging from children to old people to romanians (i think)
the f
king horrendous workthe brand new vans and trucks
The being rude and spitting on someone who didn't want their driveway done (posted about on local Facebook).
The 'companies' web site being listed as being owned by someone with an irish name registered at a caravan somewhere about a hundred miles away from here.
They are all tell tales of non travellers.
I wonder if people know what i know? and thats some of these firms use slave labour, foreign workers and people who are vulnerable are given jobs and then housed by them. Apparently thats what the couple who are round here now f
king it all up for other local firms do.But then i must just be racist.
Cliftonite said:
Credit where credit is due:
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/police-swo...
Police arrest 'travellers'.
And I bet all are released without charge due to lack of evidence https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/police-swo...
Police arrest 'travellers'.
Saleen836 said:
Cliftonite said:
Credit where credit is due:
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/police-swo...
Police arrest 'travellers'.
And I bet all are released without charge due to lack of evidence https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/police-swo...
Police arrest 'travellers'.
Parked our horse wagon at a local bridleway at the end of a car park well away from everything else.
About half hour later a brand new Hilux parks alongside, guy gets out and starts checking the locks on our wagon.
Luckily we had someone inside who wanted to sleep, so they popped their head out of a window and asked him if he wanted something.
Cue him legging it to his car and disappearing in a cloud of dust.
About half hour later a brand new Hilux parks alongside, guy gets out and starts checking the locks on our wagon.
Luckily we had someone inside who wanted to sleep, so they popped their head out of a window and asked him if he wanted something.
Cue him legging it to his car and disappearing in a cloud of dust.
Pre-warning and apologies for a long-post from a long-term lurker, but this thread has annoyed me beyond belief.
We are blighted by the cheeky scamps here in rural Worcestershire. There's a fair few permanent sites around, one in particular seems to cause most of the problems - even driving past it on the main road can result in a shower of stones from the lovely little children that congregate outside.
I'd estimate at least 90% of crime in the area is connected to them. There is a constant spate of thefts from farms, plant nurseries and vans, mainly of quad bikes, Land rovers, farm machinery and power tools. JCBs have been used more than once to rip out ATMs from village shops. The local paper is full of thefts, with the perpetrators usually being spotted leaving in White Transits. When scrap prices were high, they even went around unscrewing brass door knockers!
Everyone knows who does it, and nothing gets done. On the rare occasions the police raid the main site, they go in en masse, with minibuses full of officers, who find the occasional stolen car or unlicensed firearm but after they leave, it's business as usual for the wholesome, night-shift working rascals.
In an ideal world, the police would grow a large pair and storm the camps while the menfolk are sleeping off the previous nights 'work'. I'm talking Armed police, APCs, dogs, helicopters and bulldozers. Seize all caravans, vehicles, and powertools as proceeds of crime. Arrest every single one of them who has any link to crime - be it handling stolen property, dog-fighting, theft, burglary, assault; all the evidence would be there. Lock them up for the maximum length of time possible. Bulldoze all permanent buildings and give any who can't be charged with a crime (there won't be many)1 hour to pack their things. Have them taken to a purpose built high-security campsite where they cannot leave unless they need a hospital, or they are going to proven tax-paying work.
We are blighted by the cheeky scamps here in rural Worcestershire. There's a fair few permanent sites around, one in particular seems to cause most of the problems - even driving past it on the main road can result in a shower of stones from the lovely little children that congregate outside.
I'd estimate at least 90% of crime in the area is connected to them. There is a constant spate of thefts from farms, plant nurseries and vans, mainly of quad bikes, Land rovers, farm machinery and power tools. JCBs have been used more than once to rip out ATMs from village shops. The local paper is full of thefts, with the perpetrators usually being spotted leaving in White Transits. When scrap prices were high, they even went around unscrewing brass door knockers!
Everyone knows who does it, and nothing gets done. On the rare occasions the police raid the main site, they go in en masse, with minibuses full of officers, who find the occasional stolen car or unlicensed firearm but after they leave, it's business as usual for the wholesome, night-shift working rascals.
In an ideal world, the police would grow a large pair and storm the camps while the menfolk are sleeping off the previous nights 'work'. I'm talking Armed police, APCs, dogs, helicopters and bulldozers. Seize all caravans, vehicles, and powertools as proceeds of crime. Arrest every single one of them who has any link to crime - be it handling stolen property, dog-fighting, theft, burglary, assault; all the evidence would be there. Lock them up for the maximum length of time possible. Bulldoze all permanent buildings and give any who can't be charged with a crime (there won't be many)1 hour to pack their things. Have them taken to a purpose built high-security campsite where they cannot leave unless they need a hospital, or they are going to proven tax-paying work.
philh88 said:
Pre-warning and apologies for a long-post from a long-term lurker, but this thread has annoyed me beyond belief.
We are blighted by the cheeky scamps here in rural Worcestershire. There's a fair few permanent sites around, one in particular seems to cause most of the problems - even driving past it on the main road can result in a shower of stones from the lovely little children that congregate outside.
I'd estimate at least 90% of crime in the area is connected to them. There is a constant spate of thefts from farms, plant nurseries and vans, mainly of quad bikes, Land rovers, farm machinery and power tools. JCBs have been used more than once to rip out ATMs from village shops. The local paper is full of thefts, with the perpetrators usually being spotted leaving in White Transits. When scrap prices were high, they even went around unscrewing brass door knockers!
Everyone knows who does it, and nothing gets done. On the rare occasions the police raid the main site, they go in en masse, with minibuses full of officers, who find the occasional stolen car or unlicensed firearm but after they leave, it's business as usual for the wholesome, night-shift working rascals.
In an ideal world, the police would grow a large pair and storm the camps while the menfolk are sleeping off the previous nights 'work'. I'm talking Armed police, APCs, dogs, helicopters and bulldozers. Seize all caravans, vehicles, and powertools as proceeds of crime. Arrest every single one of them who has any link to crime - be it handling stolen property, dog-fighting, theft, burglary, assault; all the evidence would be there. Lock them up for the maximum length of time possible. Bulldoze all permanent buildings and give any who can't be charged with a crime (there won't be many)1 hour to pack their things. Have them taken to a purpose built high-security campsite where they cannot leave unless they need a hospital, or they are going to proven tax-paying work.
I suspect that most people share your utter frustration.We are blighted by the cheeky scamps here in rural Worcestershire. There's a fair few permanent sites around, one in particular seems to cause most of the problems - even driving past it on the main road can result in a shower of stones from the lovely little children that congregate outside.
I'd estimate at least 90% of crime in the area is connected to them. There is a constant spate of thefts from farms, plant nurseries and vans, mainly of quad bikes, Land rovers, farm machinery and power tools. JCBs have been used more than once to rip out ATMs from village shops. The local paper is full of thefts, with the perpetrators usually being spotted leaving in White Transits. When scrap prices were high, they even went around unscrewing brass door knockers!
Everyone knows who does it, and nothing gets done. On the rare occasions the police raid the main site, they go in en masse, with minibuses full of officers, who find the occasional stolen car or unlicensed firearm but after they leave, it's business as usual for the wholesome, night-shift working rascals.
In an ideal world, the police would grow a large pair and storm the camps while the menfolk are sleeping off the previous nights 'work'. I'm talking Armed police, APCs, dogs, helicopters and bulldozers. Seize all caravans, vehicles, and powertools as proceeds of crime. Arrest every single one of them who has any link to crime - be it handling stolen property, dog-fighting, theft, burglary, assault; all the evidence would be there. Lock them up for the maximum length of time possible. Bulldoze all permanent buildings and give any who can't be charged with a crime (there won't be many)1 hour to pack their things. Have them taken to a purpose built high-security campsite where they cannot leave unless they need a hospital, or they are going to proven tax-paying work.
Andy 308GTB said:
I suspect that most people share your utter frustration.
It's refreshing in one way to see so many people on this thread who are completely fed up of the behaviour of these groups, and their blatant disregard of our laws and culture; but on the other hand quite saddening to see that it happens all over the UK, and so many posters have had such terrible experiences with them (myself included).philh88 said:
Andy 308GTB said:
I suspect that most people share your utter frustration.
It's refreshing in one way to see so many people on this thread who are completely fed up of the behaviour of these groups, and their blatant disregard of our laws and culture; but on the other hand quite saddening to see that it happens all over the UK, and so many posters have had such terrible experiences with them (myself included).Unfortunately the authorities are too spineless, toothless & gormless to address the problem - so this behaviour will continue, with no consequences and there is every chance it will be more commonplace, as there appears to be little downside.
m3jappa said:
I wonder if people know what i know? and thats some of these firms use slave labour, foreign workers and people who are vulnerable are given jobs and then housed by them. Apparently thats what the couple who are round here now fking it all up for other local firms do.
If that's the case, drop Kevin Hyland a line.king it all up for other local firms do.Cliftonite said:
Credit where credit is due:
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/police-swo...
Police arrest 'travellers'.
Their site is called Dunroamin? Is that a piss take?https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/police-swo...
Police arrest 'travellers'.
Andy 308GTB said:
Provided the authorities treat everyone fairly, I am more than happy for these people to blatantly disregard our laws.
Unfortunately the authorities are too spineless, toothless & gormless to address the problem - so this behaviour will continue, with no consequences and there is every chance it will be more commonplace, as there appears to be little downside.
Absolutely. If I spent my nights driving JCBs through the front of Post Offices, stealing lead from church roofs and assaulting people, I would expect the law to come down on me like the proverbial ton of bricks. However, that doesn't seem the case. I don't believe that the average Bobby on the beat is to blame when handling them, they are strangled by the hand-wringers at the top and their 'Equality and Diversity' mantra (Although I'm not sure exactly where Equality comes into it to be honest). Unfortunately the authorities are too spineless, toothless & gormless to address the problem - so this behaviour will continue, with no consequences and there is every chance it will be more commonplace, as there appears to be little downside.
philh88 said:
Andy 308GTB said:
I suspect that most people share your utter frustration.
It's refreshing in one way to see so many people on this thread who are completely fed up of the behaviour of these groups, and their blatant disregard of our laws and culture; but on the other hand quite saddening to see that it happens all over the UK, and so many posters have had such terrible experiences with them (myself included).It is incredibly frustrating that the Police appear powerless to do anything - when I had lawnmowers stolen the Police response was "oh yes, we know who did this, but unless we catch them doing it, or selling your equipment, we can't do anything". The Police may be right, but that doesn't make me feel any better.
In the interests of fairness - I think the authorities do treat everyone the same.
It is that fairness that enables the behaviour, as our systems and approaches simply aren't designed to cope with an entire community /culture that has developed with the express intent of exploiting the rest of society.
Similar examples exist with the Capone Organisation, or how long it took to get the Krays banged up. Add in the ability and will to continually relocate and obfuscate and we are where we are.
Add in the racial element (see also the reduction in stop and search with certain communities and the rise in knife crime) backed up by a vast amount of cash and superb barristers available to all in what appears to be a weird crowd funding scheme, and the ability for the authorities to act is diminished even further.
One thing I really hope ends up being a result of brexit is the withdrawal of the acknowledgement that Irish travellers are a separate race, whilst maintaining a level of protection for roma.
It is that fairness that enables the behaviour, as our systems and approaches simply aren't designed to cope with an entire community /culture that has developed with the express intent of exploiting the rest of society.
Similar examples exist with the Capone Organisation, or how long it took to get the Krays banged up. Add in the ability and will to continually relocate and obfuscate and we are where we are.
Add in the racial element (see also the reduction in stop and search with certain communities and the rise in knife crime) backed up by a vast amount of cash and superb barristers available to all in what appears to be a weird crowd funding scheme, and the ability for the authorities to act is diminished even further.
One thing I really hope ends up being a result of brexit is the withdrawal of the acknowledgement that Irish travellers are a separate race, whilst maintaining a level of protection for roma.
i checked the reg of one of their lorries earlier.
uninsured, untaxed and no mot. Pisses me right off. But I'm not getting involved in grassing up this type of person. Never 'grassed' in my life and not about to start with this type of character.
just hope someone else does or the police see it. (it has been parked and left on a road outside one of their jobs tonight).
uninsured, untaxed and no mot. Pisses me right off. But I'm not getting involved in grassing up this type of person. Never 'grassed' in my life and not about to start with this type of character.
just hope someone else does or the police see it. (it has been parked and left on a road outside one of their jobs tonight).
m3jappa said:
i checked the reg of one of their lorries earlier.
uninsured, untaxed and no mot. Pisses me right off. But I'm not getting involved in grassing up this type of person. Never 'grassed' in my life and not about to start with this type of character.
just hope someone else does or the police see it. (it has been parked and left on a road outside one of their jobs tonight).
Reporting illegal activity is not "grassing", it's doing every law abiding person a favour.uninsured, untaxed and no mot. Pisses me right off. But I'm not getting involved in grassing up this type of person. Never 'grassed' in my life and not about to start with this type of character.
just hope someone else does or the police see it. (it has been parked and left on a road outside one of their jobs tonight).
Sway said:
In the interests of fairness - I think the authorities do treat everyone the same.
It is that fairness that enables the behaviour, as our systems and approaches simply aren't designed to cope with an entire community /culture that has developed with the express intent of exploiting the rest of society.
Similar examples exist with the Capone Organisation, or how long it took to get the Krays banged up. Add in the ability and will to continually relocate and obfuscate and we are where we are.
Add in the racial element (see also the reduction in stop and search with certain communities and the rise in knife crime) backed up by a vast amount of cash and superb barristers available to all in what appears to be a weird crowd funding scheme, and the ability for the authorities to act is diminished even further.
One thing I really hope ends up being a result of brexit is the withdrawal of the acknowledgement that Irish travellers are a separate race, whilst maintaining a level of protection for roma.
Very good points. I guess the law has been drawn up to on the basis that there will be a few wrong 'uns scattered amongst society, not whole 'communities' hell bent on disregarding every law possible.It is that fairness that enables the behaviour, as our systems and approaches simply aren't designed to cope with an entire community /culture that has developed with the express intent of exploiting the rest of society.
Similar examples exist with the Capone Organisation, or how long it took to get the Krays banged up. Add in the ability and will to continually relocate and obfuscate and we are where we are.
Add in the racial element (see also the reduction in stop and search with certain communities and the rise in knife crime) backed up by a vast amount of cash and superb barristers available to all in what appears to be a weird crowd funding scheme, and the ability for the authorities to act is diminished even further.
One thing I really hope ends up being a result of brexit is the withdrawal of the acknowledgement that Irish travellers are a separate race, whilst maintaining a level of protection for roma.
The Police are so under scrutiny that the application of common sense gets them in trouble.
It is just amazing how tolerant the people of this country are.
He's one for you from this weekend:
My work collage was driving through a nice part of town on Saturday afternoon. It's a road leading out of town and if you keep going on that road, there is a long standing traveller site about a mile further out. You wouldn't know it was a traveller site if you weren't local as it's all screened with trees and has the big fancy stone entrance with gates that they seem to like.
As he and his wife were driving along, he saw a group of boys probably 10-11 years old walking along the pavement towards town, and just as he was about to pass them, he saw one of them pull out a pen knife and run it down the full length of the side of a parked car outside one of the houses on the road.
The car was parked on the roadside, so the kid simply stuck his knife out and keyed it as he walked along the pavement.
They couldn't believe what they just saw, so they turned the car around and quickly pulled up outside the house, banged on the door, and told the occupants what had just happened to their car, and gave a brief description of the lad that did it.
The chap in the house shouted that he was a Police Officer, grabbed his coat and got in the car and drove off after the kids. My colleagues left their details with the lady in the house and went on with their day.
The couple phoned later to say that the husband had caught up with the boys and grabbed hold of the one that did it, but they were traveller kids, and within a couple of minutes of him getting hold of them, half the 'camp' adults arrived in their Transit vans and started causing a massive scene, lots of shouting about "Accusing my boy of something he would never do, he's an honest lad" etc.
Uniform police then turned up, and just let them all go saying there was a risk of the situation escalating, threats of violence, they wouldn't be able to prove who it was, all that kind of thing.
They police officer who had his car keyed fully admitted that there isn't anything they can do with them. It's a nightmare. If you try to arrest any of them there will be public disorder, they are of 'no fixed abode', have no ID, give false names, don't turn up to court, and then simply disappear.
I think that's what annoys me the most about them, the fact that they know for a fact they are totally above the law.
My work collage was driving through a nice part of town on Saturday afternoon. It's a road leading out of town and if you keep going on that road, there is a long standing traveller site about a mile further out. You wouldn't know it was a traveller site if you weren't local as it's all screened with trees and has the big fancy stone entrance with gates that they seem to like.
As he and his wife were driving along, he saw a group of boys probably 10-11 years old walking along the pavement towards town, and just as he was about to pass them, he saw one of them pull out a pen knife and run it down the full length of the side of a parked car outside one of the houses on the road.
The car was parked on the roadside, so the kid simply stuck his knife out and keyed it as he walked along the pavement.
They couldn't believe what they just saw, so they turned the car around and quickly pulled up outside the house, banged on the door, and told the occupants what had just happened to their car, and gave a brief description of the lad that did it.
The chap in the house shouted that he was a Police Officer, grabbed his coat and got in the car and drove off after the kids. My colleagues left their details with the lady in the house and went on with their day.
The couple phoned later to say that the husband had caught up with the boys and grabbed hold of the one that did it, but they were traveller kids, and within a couple of minutes of him getting hold of them, half the 'camp' adults arrived in their Transit vans and started causing a massive scene, lots of shouting about "Accusing my boy of something he would never do, he's an honest lad" etc.
Uniform police then turned up, and just let them all go saying there was a risk of the situation escalating, threats of violence, they wouldn't be able to prove who it was, all that kind of thing.
They police officer who had his car keyed fully admitted that there isn't anything they can do with them. It's a nightmare. If you try to arrest any of them there will be public disorder, they are of 'no fixed abode', have no ID, give false names, don't turn up to court, and then simply disappear.
I think that's what annoys me the most about them, the fact that they know for a fact they are totally above the law.
Lord Marylebone said:
He's one for you from this weekend:
My work collage was driving through a nice part of town on Saturday afternoon. It's a road leading out of town and if you keep going on that road, there is a long standing traveller site about a mile further out. You wouldn't know it was a traveller site if you weren't local as it's all screened with trees and has the big fancy stone entrance with gates that they seem to like.
As he and his wife were driving along, he saw a group of boys probably 10-11 years old walking along the pavement towards town, and just as he was about to pass them, he saw one of them pull out a pen knife and run it down the full length of the side of a parked car outside one of the houses on the road.
The car was parked on the roadside, so the kid simply stuck his knife out and keyed it as he walked along the pavement.
They couldn't believe what they just saw, so they turned the car around and quickly pulled up outside the house, banged on the door, and told the occupants what had just happened to their car, and gave a brief description of the lad that did it.
The chap in the house shouted that he was a Police Officer, grabbed his coat and got in the car and drove off after the kids. My colleagues left their details with the lady in the house and went on with their day.
The couple phoned later to say that the husband had caught up with the boys and grabbed hold of the one that did it, but they were traveller kids, and within a couple of minutes of him getting hold of them, half the 'camp' adults arrived in their Transit vans and started causing a massive scene, lots of shouting about "Accusing my boy of something he would never do, he's an honest lad" etc.
Uniform police then turned up, and just let them all go saying there was a risk of the situation escalating, threats of violence, they wouldn't be able to prove who it was, all that kind of thing.
They police officer who had his car keyed fully admitted that there isn't anything they can do with them. It's a nightmare. If you try to arrest any of them there will be public disorder, they are of 'no fixed abode', have no ID, give false names, don't turn up to court, and then simply disappear.
I think that's what annoys me the most about them, the fact that they know for a fact they are totally above the law.
They rely on being the biggest gang with the biggest teeth in town. I'm sorry but go back a few years and that was the role of the police force, especially in respect of facing down gangs.My work collage was driving through a nice part of town on Saturday afternoon. It's a road leading out of town and if you keep going on that road, there is a long standing traveller site about a mile further out. You wouldn't know it was a traveller site if you weren't local as it's all screened with trees and has the big fancy stone entrance with gates that they seem to like.
As he and his wife were driving along, he saw a group of boys probably 10-11 years old walking along the pavement towards town, and just as he was about to pass them, he saw one of them pull out a pen knife and run it down the full length of the side of a parked car outside one of the houses on the road.
The car was parked on the roadside, so the kid simply stuck his knife out and keyed it as he walked along the pavement.
They couldn't believe what they just saw, so they turned the car around and quickly pulled up outside the house, banged on the door, and told the occupants what had just happened to their car, and gave a brief description of the lad that did it.
The chap in the house shouted that he was a Police Officer, grabbed his coat and got in the car and drove off after the kids. My colleagues left their details with the lady in the house and went on with their day.
The couple phoned later to say that the husband had caught up with the boys and grabbed hold of the one that did it, but they were traveller kids, and within a couple of minutes of him getting hold of them, half the 'camp' adults arrived in their Transit vans and started causing a massive scene, lots of shouting about "Accusing my boy of something he would never do, he's an honest lad" etc.
Uniform police then turned up, and just let them all go saying there was a risk of the situation escalating, threats of violence, they wouldn't be able to prove who it was, all that kind of thing.
They police officer who had his car keyed fully admitted that there isn't anything they can do with them. It's a nightmare. If you try to arrest any of them there will be public disorder, they are of 'no fixed abode', have no ID, give false names, don't turn up to court, and then simply disappear.
I think that's what annoys me the most about them, the fact that they know for a fact they are totally above the law.
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