Paranormal experiences

[jmorgan]

Probably because there are frauds and charlatans out there that make money off peoples suffering and use this subject as their bread and butter. They do the rounds today in the theatres. Looking at one of the tour dates and she is making a lot of money out of it.

I would say that until there is evidence, it shall remain ridiculed. We live in a massive universe and can tentatively provide evidence for the start of the universe and propose theories for the end, and a lot of stuff in between but no one can provide any evidence of the paranormal.

However, if there is evidence that can be tested, lets see it. Circumstantial and so and so said does not cut it.

[boobles]

jmorgan said:

Probably because there are frauds and charlatans out there that make money off peoples suffering and use this subject as their bread and butter. They do the rounds today in the theatres. Looking at one of the tour dates and she is making a lot of money out of it.

I would say that until there is evidence, it shall remain ridiculed. We live in a massive universe and can tentatively provide evidence for the start of the universe and propose theories for the end, and a lot of stuff in between but no one can provide any evidence of the paranormal.

However, if there is evidence that can be tested, lets see it. Circumstantial and so and so said does not cut it.

I can't disagree with this & you put it out there in a genuine non piss taking way.

[shakotan]

boobles said:

smn159 said:

boobles said:

Why do these kind of threads always attract the same people with the same comments that ultimately close threads down! The op has asked a genuine question & some people have answered with or without reasoning but yet again the PH troll's have nothing better to do than ridicule people who genuinely want to contribute to this thread!

Because anyone who claims that their friends are in touch with the dead or that they have ghosts in their microwave moving spoons about deserves to be ridiculed?

I expect that they'll be someone along soon talking about the power of prayer or homeopathic medicine

But the op has asked this question so people should respect other peoples threads regardless of how silly they seem to you! Don't like, don't contribute simples.

It's an open forum where anyone is free to contribute their own experiences or opinions.

Don't like it? Then start a closed conversation somewhere that is only inclusive of those claiming to believe or experienced such phenomenon.

[boobles]

You are absolutely correct, but 9 times out of 10 it ultimately results in thread closure's which is a shame because that would suggest that somebody somewhere has said something nasty or personal towards another member.

[Hainey]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Hainey said:

I've had experiences I can't explain and so have several of my friends,

So have most people. But to go from that to "paranormal" or "supernatural" is a ridiculous leap. Why can't "experiences you can't explain" be "experiences that have a logical and rational explanation that you don't know"?

Perhaps you should quote my entire post again and show where I used the words Paranormal or Supernatural. I deliberately did not.

Please stop trying to build statements to suit your own agenda.

My experiences are absolutely open to interpretation and I would love someone to tell me how they came to be as they were. If they were some sort of trick or Derren Brown type illusion I would dearly love to know after all.

[anonymous-user]

There's too much evidence from people to discount it. Unscientific people who have had experiences but don't go around bragging or showing off, they just keep themselves to themselves and accept it. PH doubters will just ridicule any account so OP's question is unlikely to get a discussion going.

[smn159]

V6Pushfit said:

There's too much evidence from people to discount it.

Where is all of this evidence? I've never seen a peer reviewed paper concluding that the stuff described on here has any merit whatsoever.

Let me guess - 'anecdotal' evidence is all that there is, right?

[Hainey]

smn159 said:

V6Pushfit said:

There's too much evidence from people to discount it.

Where is all of this evidence? I've never seen a peer reviewed paper concluding that the stuff described on here has any merit whatsoever.

Let me guess - 'anecdotal' evidence is all that there is, right?

The evidence I find interesting is when two or more people witness exactly the same thing and that is fairly common. Not everyone has a camera phone on immediate standby to film such things however.

[shakotan]

Hainey said:

smn159 said:

V6Pushfit said:

There's too much evidence from people to discount it.

Where is all of this evidence? I've never seen a peer reviewed paper concluding that the stuff described on here has any merit whatsoever.

Let me guess - 'anecdotal' evidence is all that there is, right?

The evidence I find interesting is when two or more people witness exactly the same thing and that is fairly common. Not everyone has a camera phone on immediate standby to film such things however.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say NO-ONE, given the lack of anything that looks anything like genuine footage.

The reason so many people's stories corroborate is because they usually discuss their shared experience shortly after the event, and when it comes time to be interviewed, they've all shared their own perspectives and views and incorporated each others into their respective stories.

Person 1 "Did you see that headless man?"

Person 2 "Yes, he was wearing a green jumper"

Person 3 "and I sure he had a trenchcoat under one arm"

Net result: 3 people saw a headless man in a green jumper with a trenchcoat under his arm, regardless of which aspect they'd observed themselves.

Edited by shakotan on Friday 2nd December 15:23

[Hainey]

shakotan said:

Hainey said:

smn159 said:

V6Pushfit said:

There's too much evidence from people to discount it.

Where is all of this evidence? I've never seen a peer reviewed paper concluding that the stuff described on here has any merit whatsoever.

Let me guess - 'anecdotal' evidence is all that there is, right?

The evidence I find interesting is when two or more people witness exactly the same thing and that is fairly common. Not everyone has a camera phone on immediate standby to film such things however.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say NO-ONE, given the lack of anything that looks anything like genuine footage.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I think that's a blanket statement too far. There are photographs that people struggle to explain and there have been some interesting things seen on CCTV. But..why bother going further?

As for those witnesses you deride who don't have a camera phone at the ready, I struggle to discount those who are trained to observe such as police officers and pilots (the second is my peer group so I'll say that as full disclosure) whom by their nature are level headed and the first to discount anything not immediately placed upon Occams razor.

However if you firmly don't believe anything is possible and this thread is a waste of bandwidth, then good luck to you and on we all go. Thread closed.

[shakotan]

Hainey said:

shakotan said:

Hainey said:

smn159 said:

V6Pushfit said:

There's too much evidence from people to discount it.

Where is all of this evidence? I've never seen a peer reviewed paper concluding that the stuff described on here has any merit whatsoever.

Let me guess - 'anecdotal' evidence is all that there is, right?

The evidence I find interesting is when two or more people witness exactly the same thing and that is fairly common. Not everyone has a camera phone on immediate standby to film such things however.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say NO-ONE, given the lack of anything that looks anything like genuine footage.

There are photographs that people struggle to explain and there have been some interesting things seen on CCTV.

Do you have any examples?

[anonymous-user]

smn159 said:

Where is all of this evidence? I've never seen a peer reviewed paper concluding that the stuff described on here has any merit whatsoever.

[Hainey]

shakotan said:

Hainey said:

shakotan said:

Hainey said:

smn159 said:

V6Pushfit said:

There's too much evidence from people to discount it.

Where is all of this evidence? I've never seen a peer reviewed paper concluding that the stuff described on here has any merit whatsoever.

Let me guess - 'anecdotal' evidence is all that there is, right?

The evidence I find interesting is when two or more people witness exactly the same thing and that is fairly common. Not everyone has a camera phone on immediate standby to film such things however.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say NO-ONE, given the lack of anything that looks anything like genuine footage.

There are photographs that people struggle to explain and there have been some interesting things seen on CCTV.

Do you have any examples?

If you'd have bothered to quote the rest of my post you'd have seen, I'm out. For me the thread is closed.

You can now get snide if you want and tell me it's because I'm to scared to post something, or generally sling some mud. Whatever. I've had my own experiences and I'm not by nature an evangelist, so all done for me

[smn159]

V6Pushfit said:

smn159 said:

Where is all of this evidence? I've never seen a peer reviewed paper concluding that the stuff described on here has any merit whatsoever.

You're right - how could there be when it's all bks?

[boobles]

Go away troll's & annoy another thread! That's what you will end up doing once you have managed to get this one locked!

[anonymous-user]

The trouble is there's a lot of people on here who don't see beyond the end of their noses, and throw a wobbly from the science angle like its a controlled experiment that is expected to happen on cue. I, like many out there, know a number of normal people who have had inexplicable things happen which cant be rubbished and they certainly wont discuss their experiences on a forum or in the media or be inquisitioned by the 'prove it or you're a liar/its not on camera' brigade of drones. They just know.
I am a very most skeptical person when it comes to spirits or whatever you care to call them but have myself had two experiences that I would share here but for the presence of what can only be described as bolshy ignorants.

[smn159]

OK, let me try to sum up.

There's absolutely no scientific evidence that the 'spirit world' exists or that anyone has psychic abilities.
That's Ok though because some people 'just know' that it's true.
They say that there is plenty of evidence, it's just that they don't want to produce it, in case of mockery.
All of the 'evidence' cited on here has been anecdotal, with the common denominator being that the poster can't understand it, therefore it must be paranormal.

There are actually plenty of explanations for 'paranormal' experiences, related to how the brain interprets and often misinterprets the data that it receives if anyone can be bothered to Google, but that won't fit with some peoples need to believe.

[shakotan]

Hainey said:

shakotan said:

Hainey said:

shakotan said:

Hainey said:

smn159 said:

V6Pushfit said:

There's too much evidence from people to discount it.

Where is all of this evidence? I've never seen a peer reviewed paper concluding that the stuff described on here has any merit whatsoever.

Let me guess - 'anecdotal' evidence is all that there is, right?

The evidence I find interesting is when two or more people witness exactly the same thing and that is fairly common. Not everyone has a camera phone on immediate standby to film such things however.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say NO-ONE, given the lack of anything that looks anything like genuine footage.

There are photographs that people struggle to explain and there have been some interesting things seen on CCTV.

Do you have any examples?

If you'd have bothered to quote the rest of my post you'd have seen, I'm out. For me the thread is closed.

You can now get snide if you want and tell me it's because I'm to scared to post something, or generally sling some mud. Whatever. I've had my own experiences and I'm not by nature an evangelist, so all done for me

Why would I get snide, I'm trying to have a discussion and put my view across? I'm neither going to accuse you of being scared of anything, or indeed sling any mud.

If you've ended your contribution to this thread, then fair enough.

Have a good weekend.

[Hainey]

shakotan said:

Hainey said:

shakotan said:

Hainey said:

shakotan said:

Hainey said:

smn159 said:

V6Pushfit said:

There's too much evidence from people to discount it.

Where is all of this evidence? I've never seen a peer reviewed paper concluding that the stuff described on here has any merit whatsoever.

Let me guess - 'anecdotal' evidence is all that there is, right?

The evidence I find interesting is when two or more people witness exactly the same thing and that is fairly common. Not everyone has a camera phone on immediate standby to film such things however.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say NO-ONE, given the lack of anything that looks anything like genuine footage.

There are photographs that people struggle to explain and there have been some interesting things seen on CCTV.

Do you have any examples?

If you'd have bothered to quote the rest of my post you'd have seen, I'm out. For me the thread is closed.

You can now get snide if you want and tell me it's because I'm to scared to post something, or generally sling some mud. Whatever. I've had my own experiences and I'm not by nature an evangelist, so all done for me

Why would I get snide, I'm trying to have a discussion and put my view across? I'm neither going to accuse you of being scared of anything, or indeed sling any mud.

If you've ended your contribution to this thread, then fair enough.

Have a good weekend.

And you too.

[shakotan]

boobles said:

Go away troll's & annoy another thread! That's what you will end up doing once you have managed to get this one locked!

Why must anyone with an opposing point of view on a subject be a troll?

Haven't I posted anything particularly inflammatory or resulted to name-calling or insults?