Does anyone believe supernatural rubbish?

[twoblacklines]

There is a simple answer to this. Actually 2.

1. Start meditating. Get a habit of doing it. After a good year or more, learn how to do an OOB (out of body experience).

For the naysayers, pick one and go visit them, and wake them up during your OOB.

2. Take DMT or something similar, and explore the world(s) parallel to this one. People like to call it a hallucinogen yet everyone on it just happens to hallucinate the same things/events at the same places/times and these doubtful people say a symbiotic link (like twins) is also impossible so...how do you explain it?

And if you think this is all crazy let me ask you what is crazier... another world in our huge Universe or something like Religion which millions of people not only believe in but are prepared (and have) to kill other people over.

I recommend everyone do #1 anyway as it WILL improve your life. http://www.lifehacker.co.uk/2010/07/20/guide-medit...

[smn159]

twoblacklines said:

There is a simple answer to this. Actually 2.

1. Start meditating. Get a habit of doing it. After a good year or more, learn how to do an OOB (out of body experience).

For the naysayers, pick one and go visit them, and wake them up during your OOB.

2. Take DMT or something similar, and explore the world(s) parallel to this one. People like to call it a hallucinogen yet everyone on it just happens to hallucinate the same things/events at the same places/times and these doubtful people say a symbiotic link (like twins) is also impossible so...how do you explain it?

And if you think this is all crazy let me ask you what is crazier... another world in our huge Universe or something like Religion which millions of people not only believe in but are prepared (and have) to kill other people over.

I recommend everyone do #1 anyway as it WILL improve your life. http://www.lifehacker.co.uk/2010/07/20/guide-medit...

Are you able to contact Elvis while on DMT or during your OOBs? If so do you get the slim 50's Elvis or the fat 70's one?

Just curious - might be worth a try on your next journey

[TwigtheWonderkid]

jdw100 said:

I just don't understand why people don't get that the 'I had pains in my chest as my twin was having a heart attack 100 miles away' is reported whilst the more usual ' I had pains in my chest but when I called my twin he was sat watching TV and was fine' doesn't get commented on.

Precisely. The vast majority of so called supernatural occurrences can be explained by simple confirmation bias. And the rest have other rational explanations.

[BMWBen]

twoblacklines said:

There is a simple answer to this. Actually 2.

1. Start meditating. Get a habit of doing it. After a good year or more, learn how to do an OOB (out of body experience).

For the naysayers, pick one and go visit them, and wake them up during your OOB.

2. Take DMT or something similar, and explore the world(s) parallel to this one. People like to call it a hallucinogen yet everyone on it just happens to hallucinate the same things/events at the same places/times and these doubtful people say a symbiotic link (like twins) is also impossible so...how do you explain it?

And if you think this is all crazy let me ask you what is crazier... another world in our huge Universe or something like Religion which millions of people not only believe in but are prepared (and have) to kill other people over.

I recommend everyone do #1 anyway as it WILL improve your life. http://www.lifehacker.co.uk/2010/07/20/guide-medit...

Do this in a laboratory setting and you will get a hell of a lot of money:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_e...

Funnily enough nobody has ever managed it. Hmmm.

[Mr2Mike]

twoblacklines said:

2. Take DMT or something similar, and explore the world(s) parallel to this one. People like to call it a hallucinogen yet everyone on it just happens to hallucinate the same things/events at the same places/times and these doubtful people say a symbiotic link (like twins) is also impossible so...how do you explain it?

How is this related to supernatural activity? FWIW some people hallucinate the same things, not everyone.

[Disastrous]

twoblacklines said:

There is a simple answer to this. Actually 2.

1. Start meditating. Get a habit of doing it. After a good year or more, learn how to do an OOB (out of body experience).

For the naysayers, pick one and go visit them, and wake them up during your OOB.

2. Take DMT or something similar, and explore the world(s) parallel to this one. People like to call it a hallucinogen yet everyone on it just happens to hallucinate the same things/events at the same places/times and these doubtful people say a symbiotic link (like twins) is also impossible so...how do you explain it?

And if you think this is all crazy let me ask you what is crazier... another world in our huge Universe or something like Religion which millions of people not only believe in but are prepared (and have) to kill other people over.

I recommend everyone do #1 anyway as it WILL improve your life. http://www.lifehacker.co.uk/2010/07/20/guide-medit...

By all means start meditating for all sorts of health and mental health reasons but don't do it to try and have an OOB experience because there's no such thing and you'll have wasted loads of time. Or rather, you can trick yourself into thinking you are having one I suppose, but you of course aren't because you are in your body.

[twoblacklines]

Mr2Mike said:

How is this related to supernatural activity? FWIW some people hallucinate the same things, not everyone.

Because people see Jesters in the waiting room (google that sentence).

Jesters = entities.

Ghosts = entities.

Ghosts = Supernatural.

Therefore entities = supernatural.

[twoblacklines]

Disastrous said:

By all means start meditating for all sorts of health and mental health reasons but don't do it to try and have an OOB experience because there's no such thing and you'll have wasted loads of time. Or rather, you can trick yourself into thinking you are having one I suppose, but you of course aren't because you are in your body.

Hi mr naysayer. Have you tried it?

[Einion Yrth]

twoblacklines said:

Hi mr naysayer. Have you tried it?

Can't speak to your first point, but in my misspent youth I've done bucketloads of LSD and psilocybin, are they "similar" enough to DMT to allow me to suggest that your premise is nonsense?

[drainbrain]

Einion Yrth said:

Can't speak to your first point, but in my misspent youth I've done bucketloads of LSD and psilocybin, are they "similar" enough to DMT to allow me to suggest that your premise is nonsense?

Hmmm.......can I guess that your LSD experiences were more post 1970 than pre?

[Disastrous]

twoblacklines said:

Disastrous said:

By all means start meditating for all sorts of health and mental health reasons but don't do it to try and have an OOB experience because there's no such thing and you'll have wasted loads of time. Or rather, you can trick yourself into thinking you are having one I suppose, but you of course aren't because you are in your body.

Hi mr naysayer. Have you tried it?

I freedive, so yes, meditation is a massive part of the self-control element needed to successfully relax enough to lower the heartbeat but there's nothing supernatural happening there at all.

I've had dived where I've felt all disembodied and felt weird sensations but it's pretty clear what's happening physiologically. It's also dangerous and I don't want dives like that.

[jdw100]

twoblacklines said:

2. Take DMT or something similar, and explore the world(s) parallel to this one. People like to call it a hallucinogen

yet everyone on it just happens to hallucinate the same things/events at the same places/times

And

No they don't, that is just a ridiculous and false statement.

A tiny bit of research shows that to be rubbish.

[jdw100]

Disastrous said:

I freedive, so yes, meditation is a massive part of the self-control element needed to successfully relax enough to lower the heartbeat but there's nothing supernatural happening there at all.

I've had dived where I've felt all disembodied and felt weird sensations but it's pretty clear what's happening physiologically. It's also dangerous and I don't want dives like that.

I remember many years ago being talked at by my boss' boss for two hours.

She invited me in to her office to expound on some new strategies, not to get my input but because she enjoyed talking at people.

After 90 minutes or so I became aware I was not sitting but standing although I definitely was sat on an uncomfortable chair. I then felt that I was drifting around the room and realised I must have entered a trance like state and that my perceptions had altered.

Very strange experience but even to my 22 years old self it was obvious that being sat in one position for a length of time whilst someone droned on had just sent my brain a bit odd.

Was any part of me actually stood up and moving around a bit -no. Just my brain/nervous system interface playing up.

[Disastrous]

jdw100 said:

Disastrous said:

I freedive, so yes, meditation is a massive part of the self-control element needed to successfully relax enough to lower the heartbeat but there's nothing supernatural happening there at all.

I've had dived where I've felt all disembodied and felt weird sensations but it's pretty clear what's happening physiologically. It's also dangerous and I don't want dives like that.

I remember many years ago being talked at by my boss' boss for two hours.

She invited me in to her office to expound on some new strategies, not to get my input but because she enjoyed talking at people.

After 90 minutes or so I became aware I was not sitting but standing although I definitely was sat on an uncomfortable chair. I then felt that I was drifting around the room and realised I must have entered a trance like state and that my perceptions had altered.

Very strange experience but even to my 22 years old self it was obvious that being sat in one position for a length of time whilst someone droned on had just sent my brain a bit odd.

Was any part of me actually stood up and moving around a bit -no. Just my brain/nervous system interface playing up.

You could interpret it like that, orrrrr, you could see it as clear evidence that you had astrally projected yourself all over the shop. Cutting about hither and thither like an astral pinball, and in your boss's office! Who do you think you are?? Get back to this astral plane at once so I can give you a corporeal bking!!!

[jdw100]

Disastrous said:

You could interpret it like that, orrrrr, you could see it as clear evidence that you had astrally projected yourself all over the shop. Cutting about hither and thither like an astral pinball, and in your boss's office! Who do you think you are?? Get back to this astral plane at once so I can give you a corporeal bking!!!

Surely double pay for the time there are two of me?

If i continued working but astrally projected myself to the staff canteen for a coffee would the cappuccino refresh my physical body as well?

These are the kwestuns that your Science cant anser!

[shakotan]

drainbrain said:

I thought they were supposed to have very very short 'memories' (2 or 3 seconds?)

See, this further demonstrates your ignorance of science.

Fish can learn their way through mazes to reach food, which is built-up over long periods of time.

Simply believing the myth that fish have 3-second memories just points to you acknowledging things you read or are told as fact without bothering to research whether they are true or false.

[twoblacklines]

jdw100 said:

No they don't, that is just a ridiculous and false statement.

A tiny bit of research shows that to be rubbish.

Which you convieniently don't link to.

Whereas I can link to a whole forum dedicated to it and one that is extremely professional about it at that.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/

[twoblacklines]

jdw100 said:

I remember many years ago being talked at by my boss' boss for two hours.

She invited me in to her office to expound on some new strategies, not to get my input but because she enjoyed talking at people.

After 90 minutes or so I became aware I was not sitting but standing although I definitely was sat on an uncomfortable chair. I then felt that I was drifting around the room and realised I must have entered a trance like state and that my perceptions had altered.

Very strange experience but even to my 22 years old self it was obvious that being sat in one position for a length of time whilst someone droned on had just sent my brain a bit odd.

Was any part of me actually stood up and moving around a bit -no. Just my brain/nervous system interface playing up.

That sounds like a classic OOB experience. She talked you into a trance and you went out of body. The moment you noticed, you snapped back in.

[TheLuke]

There is a logical, reasonable explanation for everything.

Out of body experiences, at the very least are nothing but your mind playing tricks on you.

I wouldn't mind about people believing in all this stuff but most of them, if not all defy our current understanding of the universe.

[Disastrous]

twoblacklines said:

jdw100 said:

No they don't, that is just a ridiculous and false statement.

A tiny bit of research shows that to be rubbish.

Which you convieniently don't link to.

Whereas I can link to a whole forum dedicated to it and one that is extremely professional about it at that.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/

Honestly, believing in this is just too far beyond rationality that it's irrelevant to debate it.