Does anyone believe supernatural rubbish?

Does anyone believe supernatural rubbish?

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TheLuke

2,218 posts

140 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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The mandella effect has caused millions of people to misremember things. You could say its to do with "Parallel universes" or you can come down to earth and attribute it to the mind making assumptions and forming them into memory.

Numbers dont matter, OOBE are nothing more than a dream like state thats perfectly rational.

TheLuke

2,218 posts

140 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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poing said:
drainbrain said:
TheLuke said:
There is a logical, reasonable explanation for everything.

Out of body experiences, at the very least are nothing but your mind playing tricks on you.

I wouldn't mind about people believing in all this stuff but most of them, if not all defy our current understanding of the universe.
Here's some:

http://www.oberf.org


And then there's this:

http://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2014/10/07-world...


And this:

http://www.livescience.com/50683-out-of-body-illus...

Edited by drainbrain on Saturday 27th May 17:23
That first site is entirely dedicated to selling crap to gullible idiots, I'm not sure what you are trying to prove with that one.

The second one has this hysterical quote:
Thus, while it was not possible to absolutely prove the reality or meaning of patients’ experiences and claims of awareness, (due to the very low incidence (2 per cent) of explicit recall of visual awareness or so called OBE’s), it was impossible to disclaim them either and more work is needed in this area. Clearly, the recalled experience surrounding death now merits further genuine investigation without prejudice.

2 percent and that requires further investigation? Someone is very desperate for a grant.

I'll quote the 3rd one too:
It may also help to better understand the effect of the anesthetic drug Ketamine (which is used illegally for recreational purposes), which can induce similar feelings of being removed from one's own body, Guterstam said.

Who would have guessed mind altering drugs can cause illusions?
Thanks, you saved me the job! hehe

deckster

9,630 posts

254 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Horsepower1000 said:
Too many experiences to say it's all a load of nonsense.
The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.

drainbrain

5,637 posts

110 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
How many is too many? What about the 5000 American women, who at any given point in time, are pregnant with alien babies? Nonsense or not?
How about the 6000000000 believers? Nonsense too (or not), depending who you take seriously.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v34QjYPuiEA

rofl

drainbrain

5,637 posts

110 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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TheLuke said:
The mandella effect has caused millions of people to misremember things. You could say its to do with "Parallel universes" or you can come down to earth and attribute it to the mind making assumptions and forming them into memory.

Numbers dont matter, OOBE are nothing more than a dream like state thats perfectly rational.
And yet.......

http://www.experiencer.org/the-brain-consciousness...


Not bad for a bunch of upmarket scientists given how little is understood about the mind/consciousness etc.

Have to say, tho, a few billion people already know what they appear to be at the start of 'proving'. smile

twoblacklines

1,575 posts

160 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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drainbrain said:
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2014/10/07-world...

Edited by drainbrain on Saturday 27th May 17:23
drainbrains quoted article said:
In some cases of cardiac arrest, memories of visual awareness compatible with so called out-of-body experiences may correspond with actual events.
Thanks for proving what I wrote smile

twoblacklines

1,575 posts

160 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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TheLuke said:
The mandella effect has caused millions of people to misremember things. You could say its to do with "Parallel universes" or you can come down to earth and attribute it to the mind making assumptions and forming them into memory.

Numbers dont matter, OOBE are nothing more than a dream like state thats perfectly rational.
So millions of different people make the same incorrect assumption about a single entity and that sits fine with you?

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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twoblacklines said:
So millions of different people make the same incorrect assumption about a single entity and that sits fine with you?
And thus Christianity was born.

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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N-TY4C said:
I had an out of body experience when I was about 15. I fell asleep on the edge of my single bed. My upper body was on the bed and legs were kind of hanging off the bed. It was a really hot day. I remember trying to get up several times and failing. Then when I did, I could see myself laying asleep on the bed. I realised what happened and seemed to just go back into my body.
My GP said that my mind just woke up and got up before my body did.He said I must have fallen asleep very deeply as I may still be growing ( I think he said sprouting actually). I have never forgotten the experience. My heart was pounding, I felt frightened.
Did this 'doctor' work out of a small caravan or hut on Blackpool seafront?

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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twoblacklines said:
Because people see Jesters in the waiting room (google that sentence).

Jesters = entities.

Ghosts = entities.

Ghosts = Supernatural.

Therefore entities = supernatural.
So some people seeing the similar things after taking a hallucinogenic drug is indisputable evidence of supernatural entities? Your threshold for proof seems to be remarkably low.

Millions of people have fallen over after becoming drunk. Should we assume that alcohol helps them open a pathway to the 'other side' and a ghost came through and tripped them up? It's called the "spirit world" after all, so the clue is in the name.

jdw100

4,067 posts

163 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
twoblacklines said:
Because people see Jesters in the waiting room (google that sentence).

Jesters = entities.

Ghosts = entities.

Ghosts = Supernatural.

Therefore entities = supernatural.
So some people seeing the similar things after taking a hallucinogenic drug is indisputable evidence of supernatural entities? Your threshold for proof seems to be remarkably low.

Millions of people have fallen over after becoming drunk. Should we assume that alcohol helps them open a pathway to the 'other side' and a ghost came through and tripped them up? It's called the "spirit world" after all, so the clue is in the name.
Hey that happened to me a few times. Makes sense now you explain it....

Is there a website you can point me to? I'd also like to buy books and a DVD or three about this supernatural phenomenemenanemononm.

Thanks!

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
So some people seeing the similar things after taking a hallucinogenic drug is indisputable evidence of supernatural entities? Your threshold for proof seems to be remarkably low.

Millions of people have fallen over after becoming drunk. Should we assume that alcohol helps them open a pathway to the 'other side' and a ghost came through and tripped them up? It's called the "spirit world" after all, so the clue is in the name.
Some of the conclusions people come to based on the weakest of evidence is quite remarkable.

When my dog broke it's leg, it no longer came to me when I called it. Conclusive proof that when a dog breaks its leg, it goes deaf.


smn159

12,448 posts

216 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
Your threshold for proof seems to be remarkably low.
If you really want to believe something and have invested enough of yourself in it being true then anecdotes and links to nut job websites are apparently enough.

If you aren't so closed minded, then actual evidential proof is required.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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jdw100 said:
Hey that happened to me a few times. Makes sense now you explain it....

Is there a website you can point me to? I'd also like to buy books and a DVD or three about this supernatural phenomenemenanemononm.

Thanks!
Your employer should be giving you a monthly grant to investigate this phenomenon at your local paranormal research establishment drink