Thinking of learning the piano....

Thinking of learning the piano....

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HotJambalaya

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2,025 posts

180 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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Not sure this is the right section, but I'm thinking of learning the piano.

The one thing I've discovered is that a keyboard has less keys then a piano. Is this likely to cause me a problem?

I was looking at having a few lessons locally, but everyone seems to be a classic piano teacher around me. I appreciate that it probably makes little difference at total beginner level, but should I be considering that?


Anyway, if it isn't the piano, it will have to be the harmonica...

Simes205

4,535 posts

228 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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A keyboard can have less keys but not always.
They are essentially the same.
You'll probably only learn a compass of an octave when starting out.
The basics i.e. Finger positioning is what you need to start with, they are the same regardless of style.

schmunk

4,399 posts

125 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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The number of keys won't be a problem, at least for the first couple of years of learning, but if you want to learn **piano** then you really ought to have something with "graded hammer effect" weighted keys, which most keyboards won't have.

To get closer, you'll need a digital (or real!) piano.

If you're happy playing a keyboard, then a keyboard is fine!

Hoofy

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282 months

telford_mike

1,219 posts

185 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2017
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Do it - very rewarding. I started a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. Here's my thread:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=14...

Get an 88 key digital piano if you have space, but a few less keys won't do any harm. But make sure it's a proper piano keyboard rather than an 'organ' or 'synth' keyboard - the actions are quite different. I got a classical teacher and she's brilliant. It doesn't limit you to any particular genre but you learn properly. A good teacher is absolutely key to learning.

Edited by telford_mike on Tuesday 23 May 23:24

HotJambalaya

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180 months

Wednesday 24th May 2017
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telford_mike said:
Do it - very rewarding. I started a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. Here's my thread:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=14...

Get an 88 key digital piano if you have space, but a few less keys won't do any harm. But make sure it's a proper piano keyboard rather than an 'organ' or 'synth' keyboard - the actions are quite different. I got a classical teacher and she's brilliant. It doesn't limit you to any particular genre but you learn properly. A good teacher is absolutely key to learning.

Edited by telford_mike on Tuesday 23 May 23:24
Interesting thanks!

I'm seriously considering it, but even though I technically have all the time in the world, I don't seem to have time!

How good are you now out of interest?

I have pretty much ZERO musical ability

telford_mike

1,219 posts

185 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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HotJambalaya said:
Interesting thanks!

I'm seriously considering it, but even though I technically have all the time in the world, I don't seem to have time!

How good are you now out of interest?

I have pretty much ZERO musical ability
Started from zero knowledge apart from some clarinet lessons I had when I was a child (50 years ago). I have a half-hour lesson every week, but I only live in the UK 6 months a year so I sort of take 2 steps forward and one step back. Teacher says I'm about grade 3. In practical terms this means that I can pick up a book of 'easy' piano songs (search Amazon for 'easy piano') and learn to play them.

As I said it's very rewarding. If you decide to have a go, buy yourself a nice instrument - man logic says this will save you a fortune in upgrades as you move forward. But above all get a good teacher.

joshleb

1,544 posts

144 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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Good luck with it.

I used to play when I was younger, then a couple of years ago I thought I would have a go again and it would be like riding a bike.... how wrong I was!

schmunk

4,399 posts

125 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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joshleb said:
Good luck with it.

I used to play when I was younger, then a couple of years ago I thought I would have a go again and it would be like riding a bike.... how wrong I was!
The little wheels are very uncomfortable over bumps and it wouldn't go up hills, no matter how hard I pedalled...

HotJambalaya

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2,025 posts

180 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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I'm sure I'm making excuses, but I just don't seem to have the damn time at the moment.... Even though I have unlimited time...

Recommendations for a decent full sized keyboard?

thebraketester

14,220 posts

138 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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Where are you located?

dieselgrunt

688 posts

164 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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I started 11 years ago as a rank beginner at the age of 40. I passed grade 8 a couple of years ago and now just play pieces that I have a desire to learn.
I play for around 6 hours a week with one hourly lesson with a teacher.
Pieces such as Chopin or Debussy take me a long time to sound good, 6 months to a year on average as I am no natural.
It is very rewarding though, you can feel a real connection with the composer once you get into the composition. And it's amazing how much good music is out there that can be learnt at the lower grades.

Simes205

4,535 posts

228 months

Saturday 27th May 2017
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As a classically trained musician and of teacher music isn't as easy as some think.
Stick with it and find the time, you will reap the rewards once you get going.

Edited by Simes205 on Saturday 27th May 23:23

HotJambalaya

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2,025 posts

180 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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thebraketester said:
Where are you located?
london

thebraketester

14,220 posts

138 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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HotJambalaya said:
london
Wife teaches in Hemel if that's any use.

HotJambalaya

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2,025 posts

180 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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thebraketester said:
Wife teaches in Hemel if that's any use.
Cheers, but have shortlisted someone just around the corner from me (very central london). Shes a classic pianist, but at my level makes no difference!

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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HotJambalaya said:
I'm sure I'm making excuses, but I just don't seem to have the damn time at the moment.... Even though I have unlimited time...

Recommendations for a decent full sized keyboard?
What's your budget?
I bought a full sized electronic piano recently - the Casio and Yamaha models starting at ~£300 seemed to me to be starting to feel like a piano rather than a keyboard. I ended up with a Casio Privia PX-760, which I am very pleased with; the non-framed PX-160 is the same basic keyboard but with a different frame.

Simes205

4,535 posts

228 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Keyboard wise anything with full sized weighted keys.

Escapegoat

5,135 posts

135 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Simes205 said:
Keyboard wise anything with full sized weighted keys.
What he said.

Playing a keyboard with the cheaper option - a synth-style action - doesn't just feel 'wrong' but is somehow not as rewarding. Most 88-key synths have piano-weighted keyboards and it makes a lot of difference. I've been using a Roland Juno DS-88 which is current tech and has some decent multisampled pianos.

I think the older Kurzweils are well-respected and may also be available in 88-key versions for less money.

telford_mike

1,219 posts

185 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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I bought a Korg Havian 30. 88 weighted keys and all the usual bells & whistles. Very compact so acceptable to Mrs t_m.