Ramadan Kareem

[silverfoxcc]

Emanresu

In an earlier post you wrote

'Islam doesn't teach you to treat women badly, it teaches you to respect them'.

I may be a bit dense, but i cannot equate that with the situation where the women are made to cover up completely, are made to walk behind their husbands, and not allowed to drive cars. I will agree that this doesnt not happen in all predominately Muslim countries, or is it a counties way of reading into the Quran?

What does amaze me is the closeness that Jewish and Muslim faiths are in their beliefs and laws, yet hate each other

Would be interested on your take, or anyone elses on it.
Not trolling, just trying to understand Islam better

[expensivegarms]

HuntD said:

What a load or nonsense. Starving yourself and rejecting your most basic instinct, especially for religious reasons.

I advise anyone that does it to see a mental health doctor.

And support for this cult given the recent attack In Manchester, shame on you.

I'm not one to whinge about people's views, but your statements actually disgust me. So what if people want to fast for religious reasons? How does that affect you?

Perhaps you should see a mental health doctor for displaying a set of spectacularly narrow minded views.

Have you thought about the fact that the recent events in Manchester haven't been conducted by Muslims (or 'cult' as you say), but by a bunch of monumental wkers who use the Muslim religion as an excuse to do this sort of stuff, even though Islam is a peaceful religion?

As an aside, you seem to have been bhing and whining on a few fking boring threads you've started recently, if someone of the Muslim community had given advice to you on whatever st you're whinging about, how do you think they might feel if they've spent time and effort composing a reply, only for you to them off like that.
dhead.

[Colonial]

Luckily HuntD is only a tough guy from behind his keyboard.

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[147GTA]

silverfoxcc said:

Emanresu

In an earlier post you wrote

'Islam doesn't teach you to treat women badly, it teaches you to respect them'.

I may be a bit dense, but i cannot equate that with the situation where the women are made to cover up completely, are made to walk behind their husbands, and not allowed to drive cars. I will agree that this doesnt not happen in all predominately Muslim countries, or is it a counties way of reading into the Quran?

What does amaze me is the closeness that Jewish and Muslim faiths are in their beliefs and laws, yet hate each other

Would be interested on your take, or anyone elses on it.
Not trolling, just trying to understand Islam better

Women only need to cover up in the presence of other men but faces and hands do not need to be covered. Men must also keep the area between the navel and the knees covered at all times too.

The rest is not Islam and never has been, that is nothing to do with the religion. Qatar is very different to Saudi Arabia, for example, despite being what was the same country at one point. Having lived the Middle East for the last 5 years, it is clear that Arabs know a lot less about Islam then they really think, Islamic education is very lacking out here and what little that is provided is not always the best.

Ramadhan Kareem to everyone too.

Edited by 147GTA on Monday 29th May 06:15

[147GTA]

Crumpet said:

I'm in Qatar with work at the moment and three of us were in a taxi just as the sun was setting. Suddenly the driver swerved to the side of the road where a group of men in robes were handing out little 'party' bags with water, dates and other goodies in them for tired drivers to break their fast.

I was rather touched when he gave three extra bags for the obviously-not-fasting white men sat in the car and said "for you, please enjoy them". Nice people!

Anyway, is this a standard practice in this neck of the woods? I've spent a lot of time in Muslim countries but never seen this before.

Qatar is very friendly most of the time but at this time of the year people do go out of their way to be extra nice. There are tents in many locations where locals feed anyone and everyone who chooses to visit at sunset too, feel free to pop in to one of them.

[147GTA]

As for when the times of fasting are actually calculated, there are four main scholars of law in Islam that sunni muslims follow, all accepted by each other as correct, so there are slight differences but basically fasting starts from just before the first prayer of the day. This is early dawn and not sunrise, a common misconception. Obviously this does bring about issues in some countries including the UK in the summer and there can be disagreements about the actual time from when the first prayer and fasting should start because of the angle of the sun.

Fasting ends at sunset, that's not so complicated in the majority of countries. There is also no leeway as to how much of the time you should fast, if you are fit and healthy it has to be the whole time.

[GT03ROB]

silverfoxcc said:

What does amaze me is the closeness that Jewish and Muslim faiths are in their beliefs and laws, yet hate each other

Would be interested on your take, or anyone elses on it.
Not trolling, just trying to understand Islam better

.... add Christianity to that list. All are Abrahmic religions. They came from the same basic point. The Bible, Torah & Quran share come stories, people, places incidents. And yes that include Jesus/Isa. The similarities are greater than the differences to be honest.

[GT03ROB]

147GTA said:

Qatar is very friendly most of the time but at this time of the year people do go out of their way to be extra nice. There are tents in many locations where locals feed anyone and everyone who chooses to visit at sunset too, feel free to pop in to one of them.

& not at all unusual in the Gulf. Contrary to what most would believe. Courtesy, politeness & hospitality are the norm, however these things are being washed away by the younger generations from what I have seen.

[mybrainhurts]

Given that the whole concept is based on indoctrination, it doesn't merit attention.

[147GTA]

GT03ROB said:

& not at all unusual in the Gulf. Contrary to what most would believe. Courtesy, politeness & hospitality are the norm, however these things are being washed away by the younger generations from what I have seen.

As a teacher in a private school for locals I get to meet many of the younger generation as well as their parents and even grandparents, and unfortunately parenting is very lacking and left to drivers and nannies, at least in Qatar anyway. As the nannies and drivers live in fear of being sacked and not being able to provide for their families back home, many of the children never get to hear 'NO' or are disciplined, they have no idea what courtesy or politeness is.

Many schools for locals are run by expats who live in fear of being sacked too and don't enforce basic rules so they learn nothing about the basics in school either, leading to what you see today.

[The Mad Monk]

Countdown said:

I'm currently catching up with work stuff (year end is a PITA) and the mind is drifting towards food.... my eldest has baked my favourite (Home made cheese, onion, and potato pie) which i shall probably be having with mash.

So that's potato pie with potato?

[147GTA]

mybrainhurts said:

Given that the whole concept is based on indoctrination, it doesn't merit attention.

Yet you chose to click and respond?

I was born a muslim but went to Catholic school and was never indoctrinated into anything. I was allowed to ask questions and questions were answered. I was raised to have respect for everyone and everything even if I disagree or not.

Islam is not a religion in the general sense but a way of life with rules for everything, unfortunately people are easily confused and misled, even brainwashed.

[GT03ROB]

147GTA said:

GT03ROB said:

& not at all unusual in the Gulf. Contrary to what most would believe. Courtesy, politeness & hospitality are the norm, however these things are being washed away by the younger generations from what I have seen.

As a teacher in a private school for locals I get to meet many of the younger generation as well as their parents and even grandparents, and unfortunately parenting is very lacking and left to drivers and nannies, at least in Qatar anyway. As the nannies and drivers live in fear of being sacked and not being able to provide for their families back home, many of the children never get to hear 'NO' or are disciplined, they have no idea what courtesy or politeness is.

Many schools for locals are run by expats who live in fear of being sacked too and don't enforce basic rules so they learn nothing about the basics in school either, leading to what you see today.

I'd tend to agree with that observation. Talking to Kuwaiti's there is a feeling of frustration at some of the attitudes you notice, but the feeling is nobody is strong enough to say enough. In Kuwait due to recent history things are a little different, above a certain age (those that lived through the invasion), there seems to be a greater retention of traditional niceties. As one of the guys put it "We know we have so much but are grateful every day because we know it can be taken away literally overnight, as it was." Yes I see some ttish behavior, but also a great amount courtesy & politeness.

Anyhow I'm diverting from the original point of my thread so I'll leave it there.

[mybrainhurts]

147GTA said:

mybrainhurts said:

Given that the whole concept is based on indoctrination, it doesn't merit attention.

Yet you chose to click and respond?

Well, yes. Are you suggesting I should only respond to subjects with which I agree?

147GTA said:

I was born a muslim but went to Catholic school and was never indoctrinated into anything. I was allowed to ask questions and questions were answered. I was raised to have respect for everyone and everything even if I disagree or not.

Islam is not a religion in the general sense but a way of life with rules for everything, unfortunately people are easily confused and misled, even brainwashed.

If there were no indoctrination, there would be no religion. Religion isn't a thing of instinct.

[anonymous-user]

Doesn't merit attention yet continues to post....

Ok.

[Colonial]

As an atheist I'd just like to apologise for the fundamentalist athiests that make the rest of us look like dicks.

It's just a small minority but they are very vocal and share the same mindset as fundamentalists of any religion they proclaim to be superior to.

[GT03ROB]

Colonial said:

As an atheist I'd just like to apologise for the fundamentalist athiests that make the rest of us look like dicks.

It's just a small minority but they are very vocal and share the same mindset as fundamentalists of any religion they proclaim to be superior to.

have a or

[Emanresu]

silverfoxcc said:

Emanresu

In an earlier post you wrote

'Islam doesn't teach you to treat women badly, it teaches you to respect them'.

I may be a bit dense, but i cannot equate that with the situation where the women are made to cover up completely, are made to walk behind their husbands, and not allowed to drive cars. I will agree that this doesnt not happen in all predominately Muslim countries, or is it a counties way of reading into the Quran?

What does amaze me is the closeness that Jewish and Muslim faiths are in their beliefs and laws, yet hate each other

Would be interested on your take, or anyone elses on it.
Not trolling, just trying to understand Islam better

It's a Saudi thing. Visit somewhere in UAE like Abu Dhabi or Dubai and you can see the difference. Women drive freely and less of them feel compelled to wear the ninja outfits.

On your comparison between Islam and Judaism, id also like to add an interesting point about Christianity. My Christian friends sometimes rib me for not eating pork or shellfish. I don't eat shellfish because it gives me a bad reaction and I stopped eating pork before I converted to Islam after reading about the way pigs eat, eating everything including cancerous tissue from dead animals, eating their own poop, the fact they are constantly pumped up on antibiotics etc. you are what you eat, which is why I stopped eating it. I always enjoy bringing up the fact that the Christian bible says in Deuteronomy 18:4 that they are not supposed to eat unclean meat either. Many people follow a religion but don't know anything about it.

Another thing I would like to add is that we all worship the same god. It's just that we call him allah, the Jews call him yahweh, the christians simply call him god. It's the same god, different religions are just a different path to the same destination. We don't worship the moon as many people believe. We simply use it as a calendar.

[zygalski]

Never understood why pigs & not chickens?
Both animals often eat excrement.

[GT03ROB]

zygalski said:

Never understood why pigs & not chickens?
Both animals often eat excrement.

I read once that it was also down to the fact the pork hosts a lot of parasites, which are harmful to humans. In colder northern climes the parasites die off, but in the warmer southern climes of the mid-east they survive longer in the dead host. Hence the big north/south divide with pork.