Ramadan Kareem

[Wobbegong]

grumbledoak said:

You can pass cooked human off as pig, as long as the customer doesn't see it on the bone.

Just sayin'.

Wouldn't surprise me if that is the original reason for not allowing the consumption of wonderful pig products.

A friend of mine was a firefighter and he stopped eating meat after attending an incident at a home where the family were pretty much cooked alive in a fire he found it off putting that the scent was so similar to (in his words) 'cooked meat but with a hint of something that you knew was human'.

[Wobbegong]

Crumpet said:

I'm in Qatar with work at the moment and three of us were in a taxi just as the sun was setting. Suddenly the driver swerved to the side of the road where a group of men in robes were handing out little 'party' bags with water, dates and other goodies in them for tired drivers to break their fast.

I was rather touched when he gave three extra bags for the obviously-not-fasting white men sat in the car and said "for you, please enjoy them". Nice people!

Anyway, is this a standard practice in this neck of the woods? I've spent a lot of time in Muslim countries but never seen this before.

In the UAE there are fridges packed with drink/food for people to enjoy once the fasting finishes. Ramadan promotes generosity and sharing as well as the self control for fasting.

http://gulfnews.com/guides/life/ramadan/ramadan-co...

I think it's wonderful

[crofty1984]

GT03ROB said:

Colonial said:

As an atheist I'd just like to apologise for the fundamentalist athiests that make the rest of us look like dicks.

It's just a small minority but they are very vocal and share the same mindset as fundamentalists of any religion they proclaim to be superior to.

have a or

LOL Very true.

[AndStilliRise]

Wobbegong said:

Crumpet said:

I'm in Qatar with work at the moment and three of us were in a taxi just as the sun was setting. Suddenly the driver swerved to the side of the road where a group of men in robes were handing out little 'party' bags with water, dates and other goodies in them for tired drivers to break their fast.

I was rather touched when he gave three extra bags for the obviously-not-fasting white men sat in the car and said "for you, please enjoy them". Nice people!

Anyway, is this a standard practice in this neck of the woods? I've spent a lot of time in Muslim countries but never seen this before.

In the UAE there are fridges packed with drink/food for people to enjoy once the fasting finishes. Ramadan promotes generosity and sharing as well as the self control for fasting.

http://gulfnews.com/guides/life/ramadan/ramadan-co...

I think it's wonderful

Awesome idea!

[Dusty964]

AndStilliRise said:

Wobbegong said:

Crumpet said:

I'm in Qatar with work at the moment and three of us were in a taxi just as the sun was setting. Suddenly the driver swerved to the side of the road where a group of men in robes were handing out little 'party' bags with water, dates and other goodies in them for tired drivers to break their fast.

I was rather touched when he gave three extra bags for the obviously-not-fasting white men sat in the car and said "for you, please enjoy them". Nice people!

Anyway, is this a standard practice in this neck of the woods? I've spent a lot of time in Muslim countries but never seen this before.

In the UAE there are fridges packed with drink/food for people to enjoy once the fasting finishes. Ramadan promotes generosity and sharing as well as the self control for fasting.

http://gulfnews.com/guides/life/ramadan/ramadan-co...

I think it's wonderful

Awesome idea!

We have numerous fridges on our development over here in Dubai. Loads of ex pats also donate to them- self included- fruit juices, dates, water, fruits and so on.
Fantastic idea and even those with very little take only what they can consume, no staff there to limit or monitor, all done on trust and works perfectly.

[AndStilliRise]

Dusty964 said:

AndStilliRise said:

Wobbegong said:

Crumpet said:

I'm in Qatar with work at the moment and three of us were in a taxi just as the sun was setting. Suddenly the driver swerved to the side of the road where a group of men in robes were handing out little 'party' bags with water, dates and other goodies in them for tired drivers to break their fast.

I was rather touched when he gave three extra bags for the obviously-not-fasting white men sat in the car and said "for you, please enjoy them". Nice people!

Anyway, is this a standard practice in this neck of the woods? I've spent a lot of time in Muslim countries but never seen this before.

In the UAE there are fridges packed with drink/food for people to enjoy once the fasting finishes. Ramadan promotes generosity and sharing as well as the self control for fasting.

http://gulfnews.com/guides/life/ramadan/ramadan-co...

I think it's wonderful

Awesome idea!

We have numerous fridges on our development over here in Dubai. Loads of ex pats also donate to them- self included- fruit juices, dates, water, fruits and so on.
Fantastic idea and even those with very little take only what they can consume, no staff there to limit or monitor, all done on trust and works perfectly.

Where in the UK you would see people running off with the fridge!

Today I saw two kids with a pushchair loading up the contents of the black bin liners left outside a charity shop!

[C.A.R.]

I've got nothing against those who want to fast, or dress a particular way, or go trick-or-treating - it's a free country. It's when it affects others around you or your ability to work s job you should probably take a look at how responsible you're being.

I worked in a small office as manager of a team of estimators - one of which a Muslim chap observing the traditional fasting. Everyone was low on productivity in those long, hot days, but this guy was plainly doing nothing at all but staring into his phone and occasionally going outside for some fresh air.

I kept quiet but the director hit the roof when this guy nearly fell asleep at his desk! Said that he either had something to drink or eat and started working or went home and didn't bother coming back. Could you imagine the uproar if this guy claimed he was being oppressed? Boss man was having none of it, what ensued was a shouty debate "it's my religion though, you wouldn't understand" was the defense repeatedly trotted out.

It was quite entertaining to watch, as well as quite intense. I'm sure it's not commonplace during this time of year, but it sure put "faith" ahead of common sense. Boss was a pig farmer too, so they really didn't see eye to eye!

I'm open minded and (probably obviously) atheist, but I don't think I'll ever understand any religion. Chocolate eggs, wtf?! Not eating or drinking in daylight, wtf? Crazy

[AndStilliRise]

Solocle said:

Well, while you Muslims are fasting for 30 days, I'll be stuffing my face with cheesecake on Tuesday night for Shavuot!
Still, I know how hard fasting for daylight hours is. I just don't have to do it for 30 days in a row
Try a 25 hour fast combined with a long walk on a Florida beach though... in summer. Now that is painful.

That's minor. Try fasting and running a 3:30 marathon.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[del mar]

expensivegarms said:

I'm not one to whinge about people's views, but your statements actually disgust me. So what if people want to fast for religious reasons? How does that affect you?

.

It effects us when they knock you off your bike - happened in East London.

Lady at work her father was run over and killed by a tired hungry thirsty Egyptian.....

Not eating or dinking whilst sitting in the desert doing nothing is fine, operating machinery and driver cars / trains is not.

Of course you could get hit by anybody, but fasting will effect how alert you are.

[Rollin]

I've fasted for 18 hours a day for months with no problems. Not for religious reasons though.

[PAULJ5555]

All these different religious practices, you would be pretty disappointed if you followed it to the letter and starved yourself or missed out on things all your life because of it and when you die you find out that the real God and his only religion is Jewish and in fact we are all Jewish. Likewise turn that around the Jews could be all Muslim, Catholic ect ect.

[sc0tt]

Rollin said:

I've fasted for 18 hours a day for months with no problems. Not for religious reasons though.

You sleep a lot?

[Solocle]

PAULJ5555 said:

All these different religious practices, you would be pretty disappointed if you followed it to the letter and starved yourself or missed out on things all your life because of it and when you die you find out that the real God and his only religion is Jewish and in fact we are all Jewish. Likewise turn that around the Jews could be all Muslim, Catholic ect ect.

Well, if he's Jewish it's not a problem! As long as non-Jews obey the 7 laws of Noah (traditionally:
Do not deny God.
Do not blaspheme God.
Do not murder.
Do not engage in illicit sexual relations.
Do not steal.
Do not eat from a live animal.
Establish courts/legal system to ensure obedience to said laws.
)
they have a place in the World to Come... and that's the Orthodox line! Naturally, more progressive denominations hold an even more open stance.

[Hard-Drive]

del mar said:

expensivegarms said:

I'm not one to whinge about people's views, but your statements actually disgust me. So what if people want to fast for religious reasons? How does that affect you?

.

It effects us when they knock you off your bike - happened in East London.

Lady at work her father was run over and killed by a tired hungry thirsty Egyptian.....

Not eating or dinking whilst sitting in the desert doing nothing is fine, operating machinery and driver cars / trains is not.

Of course you could get hit by anybody, but fasting will effect how alert you are.

Kinda with you on that TBH. Doesn't seem like a clever idea at all. Has anything ever been done in terms of research to show what physiological effects the fast can have on the human body, positive or negative?

I also think I'd tire of it a little in the workplace, if suddenly people were grumpy or couldn't concentrate...and I don't mean that negatively, it would be no different to someone being like a bear with a sore head due to giving up smoking, or just being hung over.

No, I'm not remotely religious, and no, fasting would never be for me (partly as I have zero willpower when it comes to that kind of thing!). But fair play if you have the gumption to see it through.

And before I get branded as a UKIPing racist, there's no "underlying" message in any of what I have just said. In fact last year I went to Morocco for the first time (travelled around a bit) and I have never met such a welcoming, warm people in my life. One night, late on, there was clearly some kind of music/party/celebration in a house across the fields from where I was staying. I asked the owner of the riad what it was, 10 minutes later the owner of the house was there with a torch to escort me across the fields to join in! And don't try to get anywhere fast in Morocco with a 1 year old in tow as he will be getting so much perfectly, genuinely well meaning attention from the locals! Get that in the UK and the alarm bells start to ring!!

[PAULJ5555]

Solocle said:

PAULJ5555 said:

All these different religious practices, you would be pretty disappointed if you followed it to the letter and starved yourself or missed out on things all your life because of it and when you die you find out that the real God and his only religion is Jewish and in fact we are all Jewish. Likewise turn that around the Jews could be all Muslim, Catholic ect ect.

Well, if he's Jewish it's not a problem! As long as non-Jews obey the 7 laws of Noah (traditionally:
Do not deny God.
Do not blaspheme God.
Do not murder.
Do not engage in illicit sexual relations.
Do not steal.
Do not eat from a live animal.
Establish courts/legal system to ensure obedience to said laws.
)
they have a place in the World to Come... and that's the Orthodox line! Naturally, more progressive denominations hold an even more open stance.

Not a problem of getting past the pearly gates, Its a problem as you have lived your whole life in a way that has made you miss out on things, been made an unessasary target, discriminated against, made you suffer personally and then after say 80 years on earth you find out it was all for nothing.

[Goaty Bill 2]

PAULJ5555 said:

Not a problem of getting past the pearly gates, Its a problem as you have lived your whole life in a way that has made you miss out on things, been made an unessasary target, discriminated against, made you suffer personally and then after say 80 years on earth you find out it was all for nothing.

A quote I have seen in several forms by various people:

"If I am wrong, I have wasted some small part of my life; If you are wrong, you will have wasted eternity."

[PAULJ5555]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

PAULJ5555 said:

Not a problem of getting past the pearly gates, Its a problem as you have lived your whole life in a way that has made you miss out on things, been made an unessasary target, discriminated against, made you suffer personally and then after say 80 years on earth you find out it was all for nothing.

A quote I have seen in several forms by various people:

"If I am wrong, I have wasted some small part of my life; If you are wrong, you will have wasted eternity."

I was going to say that's the choice we all have - but unfortunately some children don't get a choice.

[djc206]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

A quote I have seen in several forms by various people:

"If I am wrong, I have wasted some small part of my life; If you are wrong, you will have wasted eternity."

I don't want to live for eternity and the idea that you can is laughable. Heaven is a promise made by people who want to make living in misery more acceptable to the serfs by promising an improvement upon death. It's a cynical manipulation of the poor and the gullible.

The quote isn't correct either. As an atheist I understand that I've got around 80 years possibly less before I become worm food to enjoy my existence, I've wasted nothing if I'm wrong since I'm only banking on this one crack at it. If you're wrong you've wasted a proportion of your only chance at life on the greedy assumption that you'll get another, others will have wasted a much higher proportion, potentially everything.

[del mar]

PAULJ5555 said:

Not a problem of getting past the pearly gates, Its a problem as you have lived your whole life in a way that has made you miss out on things, been made an unessasary target, discriminated against, made you suffer personally and then after say 80 years on earth you find out it was all for nothing.

But imagine if it was true, and you missed out on 72 Virgins and an erection for all of eternity, who would be the idiot then !

If somebody would come back and tell me it was all true I would change over night !!

[AndStilliRise]

Coming back on subject. Tomorrow is day 5/30. A bit of a milestone. I do find it difficult, considering I am still training (riding/running/gym), but I guess it can only make me stronger.