Can the anti-cycling sentiment here get any more desperate ?

Can the anti-cycling sentiment here get any more desperate ?

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nickfrog

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21,149 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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twoblacklines said:
I'm still laughing at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKdVMYo1H38

Pretty much sums up cyclists though. You NEVER cross the double yellow in the USA but look at them all crossing it like they own the road. Then BANG and in the comments on biking forums...it's somehow the car drivers fault rolleyes Hell they are all blaming the car driver in the comments in the video. Such lolz

Dannbodge

2,165 posts

121 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Is he not missing the point that it's a race so the lines in the road mean nothing.

smn159

12,654 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Looking at his other posts I've always assumed that his Mrs left him for a cyclist.

No-one is that bitter otherwise.

Magic919

14,126 posts

201 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Best to keep him on your ignore list.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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nickfrog said:
twoblacklines said:
I'm still laughing at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKdVMYo1H38

Pretty much sums up cyclists though. You NEVER cross the double yellow in the USA but look at them all crossing it like they own the road. Then BANG and in the comments on biking forums...it's somehow the car drivers fault rolleyes Hell they are all blaming the car driver in the comments in the video. Such lolz
Telling me the cyclist wasn't at fault then Nick????

jesusbuiltmycar

4,537 posts

254 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Is there a link to the thread where this was originally posted ?

TheRainMaker

6,334 posts

242 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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The guy would have crashed no matter what, going way to fast, if the car hadn't been there he would have gone off into the trees.

nickfrog

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21,149 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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xjay1337 said:
Telling me the cyclist wasn't at fault then Nick????
Why would I tell you that ?



GrantD5

572 posts

88 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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TheRainMaker said:
The guy would have crashed no matter what, going way to fast, if the car hadn't been there he would have gone off into the trees.
Agreed, he didn't seem prepared for that corner one bit, didn't help there was a team car in the way.

selym

9,544 posts

171 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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I didn't know 'anti-cycling sentiment' was a thing.

Matt_N

8,902 posts

202 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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This was 2 years ago and was a pro level race, the road markings have nothing to do with it.

He also had some nasty injuries, so not really something to laugh about "Brammeier, 30, has been recovering at the University of Utah hospital in Salt Lake City from injuries that include fractures of the sacral and pelvic bones, as well as rib fractures on both sides, a bruised liver and fractured tooth".

The talk at the time was that the team cars were impeding the proper line through that corner to a degree, naturally they would want to come out wider, but he was also going way too fast.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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nickfrog said:
xjay1337 said:
Telling me the cyclist wasn't at fault then Nick????
Why would I tell you that ?
I don't understand the point of this post then, cyclist was at fault.

Kell

1,708 posts

208 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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It's impossible to tell who's at fault really.

Certainly the cyclist comes in with wa-a-a-a-a-y too much speed to make that corner, but the YouTube video explains that he was pushed to the inside by 'support' cars taking the correct line further back from the corner.

As the road drops away really sharply on the inside, he was airborne so not able to scrub speed.

For years I've wondered why support cars are allowed to be there at all. To me, there should be no instances where riders cannot take the correct line because a team car is in the way - especially if it's a competitor team car.

Punctures or mechanicals should all be attended to either by the riders themselves or by cars which follow the entire group. Perhaps that way we'd see bigger advances in cycling tech.

ETA: just read that these riders had dropped off the back of the peloton and were making their way through the support cars to catch up.

Edited by Kell on Tuesday 30th May 13:48

dudleybloke

19,821 posts

186 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Support cars and the like should be behind the pack at all times. They are support, not racers.

nickfrog

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21,149 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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xjay1337 said:
nickfrog said:
xjay1337 said:
Telling me the cyclist wasn't at fault then Nick????
Why would I tell you that ?
I don't understand the point of this post then, cyclist was at fault.
You did notice this wasn't on the open road but a competitive event presumably.

Twoblacklines didn't, in his eagerness to demonise anyone riding a bicycle on the public road.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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that cyclst was airborne and wildly out of control before the crash with no possible way of retarding his inertia with the road space he had left!
If i may be so bold, i would suggest that the car potentially saved his life.

The cyclist would have sailed off the edge into the trees below had the car not parked itself in his path.

TwistingMyMelon

6,385 posts

205 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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The vid looks a bit misleading, rider didnt anticipate corner but the road really dips down making braking hard difficult , poor bugger

Kell

1,708 posts

208 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
that cyclst was airborne and wildly out of control before the crash with no possible way of retarding his inertia with the road space he had left!
If i may be so bold, i would suggest that the car potentially saved his life.

The cyclist would have sailed off the edge into the trees below had the car not parked itself in his path.
But then if there were no cars there, he could have been on the correct line for the and braked with more control and probably made it smoothly.

Don't get me wrong, having found out that these guys had dropped out the back of the pack and were making their way through the support cars I think the onus is on them to be more careful, but it's not as cut and dry as the first angle.

When you see the alt view, you can see that he's been forced inside by other cars.



SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Kell said:
SystemParanoia said:
that cyclst was airborne and wildly out of control before the crash with no possible way of retarding his inertia with the road space he had left!
If i may be so bold, i would suggest that the car potentially saved his life.

The cyclist would have sailed off the edge into the trees below had the car not parked itself in his path.
But then if there were no cars there, he could have been on the correct line for the and braked with more control and probably made it smoothly.

Don't get me wrong, having found out that these guys had dropped out the back of the pack and were making their way through the support cars I think the onus is on them to be more careful, but it's not as cut and dry as the first angle.

When you see the alt view, you can see that he's been forced inside by other cars.
I agree with above poster that the cars and motorcycles are an absolute liability in a bike race, and for camera work they should replace them with an army of drones instead! smile

Ive seen camera bikes topple over into cyclists paths as well.

Its just silly how it is at the mo'

Solocle

3,290 posts

84 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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That crash was definitely the cyclist's fault. The car driver was being sensible and considerate for the the other cyclists. The cyclist came in at a speed that made turning impossible. To be honest, it looked like a brake failure!