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I think that's pretty much what every generation says about those who are 2 or more generations behind them.
Society, values, behaviours, all change. I'm sure if you told our grandparents generation that it would be common for people to have children without getting married, or that men/ women have multiple partners throughout their lives, or that single parents would be relatively common in the UK, they would have been surprised or even shocked.
Society, values, behaviours, all change. I'm sure if you told our grandparents generation that it would be common for people to have children without getting married, or that men/ women have multiple partners throughout their lives, or that single parents would be relatively common in the UK, they would have been surprised or even shocked.
Countdown said:
I think that's pretty much what every generation says about those who are 2 or more generations behind them.
Society, values, behaviours, all change. I'm sure if you told our grandparents generation that it would be common for people to have children without getting married, or that men/ women have multiple partners throughout their lives, or that single parents would be relatively common in the UK, they would have been surprised or even shocked.
I agree. It's all gone to the dogs.Society, values, behaviours, all change. I'm sure if you told our grandparents generation that it would be common for people to have children without getting married, or that men/ women have multiple partners throughout their lives, or that single parents would be relatively common in the UK, they would have been surprised or even shocked.
Does that with every generation. I think this is business as usual...
anonymous said:
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It's your generations fault! I don't know why but I find a lot of people who were the product of the 60's to be pushy/angry/annoying grannies and grandads. I think they were the first generation to have proper freedom and wealth without necessarily adopting responsibility. Each successive generation has become more louche and self obsessed. I remember walking down the street with my sister and her being smacked by a stranger because her bra strap had slipped out of her top.Then look at those in the 70's - your dad or grandad who you looked up to but in hindsight was a striking workshy BL worker.
Millennials nowadays seem to either go into work or further education or turn into NEETS - Not in Education, Employment, or Training. My cousin has a 31 year old daughter who has completed her A-Levels, Degree, Masters and further studies but apart from the odd placement has never held a job in her life. She is bankrolled by her parents, has a flat in Docklands and keeps making excuses for her next studies because it will help her future.
I think Millennials struggle because they are allowed to snowflake and do nothing. I do try to give advice - don't be like me and do a wishy washy degree - do specific single subject degrees (law/maths/physics/history/medicine) rather than bullst (travel & tourism/music - unless you are really good at it/communications).
Socrates said:
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
I do think that things are much tougher than when I was young..graduated fro university in 1970 and there was a growing world with a lot of optimism. I had choices of jobs. Proper pensions were the norm, health care was more accessible. job changes were far fewer, and housing was relatively affordable. No rose coloured glasses.
Today, the millenneais face the deterioration of social services, housing they cannot afford, deteriorated pensions, low job security, constant erosion of the formerly middle class jobs due more to automation that export, and a fully globalized economy. They also face the massively ageing population of their predecessors who are disobliging healthy but who will consume most of their assets as they age and need medical care.
Yes there are silly issues of self entitlement, but underlying this is a very serious issue about being able to be self sufficient and independent. I have some sympathy.
Today, the millenneais face the deterioration of social services, housing they cannot afford, deteriorated pensions, low job security, constant erosion of the formerly middle class jobs due more to automation that export, and a fully globalized economy. They also face the massively ageing population of their predecessors who are disobliging healthy but who will consume most of their assets as they age and need medical care.
Yes there are silly issues of self entitlement, but underlying this is a very serious issue about being able to be self sufficient and independent. I have some sympathy.
g3org3y said:
Socrates said:
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
- Socrates (Well, that's who Plato attributed it to)
The degradation of humanity since this quote is most clearly visible in the eloquence of how it's said by each successive generation
- Socrates (Well, that's who Plato attributed it to)
The degradation of humanity since this quote is most clearly visible in the eloquence of how it's said by each successive generation
anonymous said:
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There are plenty who don't, but there's plenty of older people who don't care either and are just seeing out their last few years waiting until the optimal moment to pick up their pension.Stifle? Simple, often they have good ideas but some of the older generation are scared stless of change, they can't or won't adapt and they don't like it.
Not all of your generation are like that but it's certainly a thing and it definitely has "gone wrong for some"
wst said:
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
- Socrates (Well, that's who Plato attributed it to)
The degradation of humanity since this quote is most clearly visible in the eloquence of how it's said by each successive generation
Excellent quote, I've got a nagging suspicion that I've seen it somewhere recently.- Socrates (Well, that's who Plato attributed it to)
The degradation of humanity since this quote is most clearly visible in the eloquence of how it's said by each successive generation
Edited by Monochrome on Saturday 10th June 17:47
A lot of the attitude from these younger generation people also comes down to how their parents raise them and the expectations set at home.
Some of them think they're entitled to progress to the CEO's job after 2 years of working, their attitude sucks to be honest. But there are some good ones who take responsibility and aren't afraid to roll up their sleeves and get into it.
Culture could be a factor.
I've also worked with a lot of Indians in recent times ranging in age from fresh graduates (23+) to more experienced (40+years of age), in general the younger ones are very good, very focussed, and take responsibility; the flip side is they can rarely "think outside the box" and rely on a lot of guidance and the experience of the "grey haired" lot.
Also found Eastern Europeans to be good, Serbians, Poles, they're prepared to out in the effort and learn, progress on merit, and take responsibility and I think is done to having to fight a bit harder to get ahead;' it;s not all handed to them, their parents encourage to go out and study, work hard, and be rewarded based on what they put in.
Some of them think they're entitled to progress to the CEO's job after 2 years of working, their attitude sucks to be honest. But there are some good ones who take responsibility and aren't afraid to roll up their sleeves and get into it.
Culture could be a factor.
I've also worked with a lot of Indians in recent times ranging in age from fresh graduates (23+) to more experienced (40+years of age), in general the younger ones are very good, very focussed, and take responsibility; the flip side is they can rarely "think outside the box" and rely on a lot of guidance and the experience of the "grey haired" lot.
Also found Eastern Europeans to be good, Serbians, Poles, they're prepared to out in the effort and learn, progress on merit, and take responsibility and I think is done to having to fight a bit harder to get ahead;' it;s not all handed to them, their parents encourage to go out and study, work hard, and be rewarded based on what they put in.
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