Millennials

[xjay1337]

HTP99 said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Unfortunately the thread has been pulled but those that know will know what it's all about.

Someone who can't take responsibility for their own actions.

That does sum it up very well.

[Pothole]

scherzkeks said:

Candellara said:

TameRacingDriver said:

That is disturbing.

For everything in life - there is a sacrifice to be made. Want to be the best golfer, footballer etc? - then spend years and years honing your game at any waking opportunity. Want to be at the top of your profession - then you'll no doubt spend hours and hours (over and above working a 9 to 5) training, reading and learning at the sacrifice your family or social life in order to attain it.

Natural ability/genetics plays a stronger role. I wouldn't mind being a top footballer, or a virtuoso on guitar. But I suspect that no matter how much work I put in, it won't matter much in the end.

I don't know that it does. I've yet to hear of a top football player or virtuoso instrument player who hasn't eaten, slept and breathed their chosen instrument (if we can include balls in that ) throughout their early years. I've met a few gifted amateur instrumentalists who will always stay that way because they're not prepared to dedicate their lives to their instrument.

[TameRacingDriver]

Pothole said:

I don't know that it does. I've yet to hear of a top football player or virtuoso instrument player who hasn't eaten, slept and breathed their chosen instrument (if we can include balls in that ) throughout their early years. I've met a few gifted amateur instrumentalists who will always stay that way because they're not prepared to dedicate their lives to their instrument.

I sort of disagree. I can't imagine your average short bloke (say 5'5") making a good sprinter no matter how hard he tries, just to give one example. Some people are just naturally more gifted than others. That's not to say that someone who isn't naturally talented wont be better than someone who is if they practice and the other guy doesn't but all things being equal, it will be your DNA that will have the final say as to whether or not you can be the very best. I guess that doesn't matter quite so much when it comes to careers though, so I do see where you are coming from.

[Pothole]

TameRacingDriver said:

Pothole said:

I don't know that it does. I've yet to hear of a top football player or virtuoso instrument player who hasn't eaten, slept and breathed their chosen instrument (if we can include balls in that ) throughout their early years. I've met a few gifted amateur instrumentalists who will always stay that way because they're not prepared to dedicate their lives to their instrument.

I sort of disagree. I can't imagine your average short bloke (say 5'5") making a good sprinter no matter how hard he tries, just to give one example. Some people are just naturally more gifted than others. That's not to say that someone who isn't naturally talented wont be better than someone who is if they practice and the other guy doesn't but all things being equal, it will be your DNA that will have the final say as to whether or not you can be the very best. I guess that doesn't matter quite so much when it comes to careers though, so I do see where you are coming from.

I was addressing this specific point

point said:

I wouldn't mind being a top footballer, or a virtuoso on guitar

[Sa Calobra]

This afternoon a young lad pulled out on me on a mini roundabout. I automatically hit the horn and his immediate words out of the window were 'yeah do you want to fight'?

I opened the door (it seemed easier than grasping for the window motor) and said 'you do realise that you have to give way to the right yup little child'.


He said nothing else and I drove on.

When I was his age if ANY 106kg 6ft2 older bloke beeped or said something to me I'd look for the exits. This is the second time a teen (gawd I sound old) in a car has strutted like a bloody Peacock

[Allanv]

I have worked with lots during my time and only one stands out.

He was asked to install some software for a client and he just attempted it on a live international system without change control.

So he was due a bking but he resigned before the bking not a disciplinary as he didn't want it on file that he fked up, he explained that the uni had told them to leave before any DA or bking had taken place. Weird.

2 years later he was still unemployed.

Oh and I notice them saying "Thank Yow" now and it drives me insane.

[Pothole]

Sa Calobra said:

This afternoon a young lad pulled out on me on a mini roundabout. I automatically hit the horn and his immediate words out of the window were 'yeah do you want to fight'?

I opened the door (it seemed easier than grasping for the window motor) and said 'you do realise that you have to give way to the right yup little child'.


He said nothing else and I drove on.

When I was his age if ANY 106kg 6ft2 older bloke beeped or said something to me I'd look for the exits. This is the second time a teen (gawd I sound old) in a car has strutted like a bloody Peacock

Surely the correct PH powerfully-built company director response would be to dominate the mini roundabout and fight him to the death with a can of Red Bull and/or some frozen sausages...(a two 6-inch Subway sangers would also be acceptable, as long as you got them for the price of a 12-inch.)

[vx220]

TameRacingDriver said:

I sort of disagree. I can't imagine your average short bloke (say 5'5") making a good sprinter no matter how hard he tries, just to give one example. Some people are just naturally more gifted than others. That's not to say that someone who isn't naturally talented wont be better than someone who is if they practice and the other guy doesn't but all things being equal, it will be your DNA that will have the final say as to whether or not you can be the very best. I guess that doesn't matter quite so much when it comes to careers though, so I do see where you are coming from.

I think this ties in with the "you're amazing, you can be anything you want to be" upbringing and education.

A friend is stuck with a member of staff who is more than qualified to do their job, but finds it stressful (and appears to have some stress at home as well) and so keeps having time off, creating issues for other staff members who are left in impossible situations trying to cover (it's a role where it's just about impossible to walk out if your relief isn't in on time...)

This person won't/can't be honest with themselves and just quit (apparently, they have "rights"!) so will end up being managed out, during which there will almost certainly be further absence (and in our modern world, a claim for unfair dismissal!)

This member of staff doesn't appear to recognise the "rights" of other members of staff to be relieved at the end of their shifts, or the "rights" of their family members to see them now and again.

Fortunately, as is the modern way, their Facebook page may speed up the disciplinary process!!! swings and roundabouts, as they say!?

[ambuletz]

Let me add this to the mix, (its not the full video of the original events, but instead shorted and subs added).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpbp0kOK-ho

[HTP99]

ambuletz said:

Let me add this to the mix, (its not the full video of the original events, but instead shorted and subs added).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpbp0kOK-ho

I bet security would have loved to have taken him round the back for a good pasting; the tt!

[Sa Calobra]

Wow just wow

[NRS]

Crazy! His "apology" was completely useless too! And apparently he's so famous and known he had faked a pass to try and get in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJdboFptQ3o

[Shakermaker]

vx220 said:

TameRacingDriver said:

I sort of disagree. I can't imagine your average short bloke (say 5'5") making a good sprinter no matter how hard he tries, just to give one example. Some people are just naturally more gifted than others. That's not to say that someone who isn't naturally talented wont be better than someone who is if they practice and the other guy doesn't but all things being equal, it will be your DNA that will have the final say as to whether or not you can be the very best. I guess that doesn't matter quite so much when it comes to careers though, so I do see where you are coming from.

I think this ties in with the "you're amazing, you can be anything you want to be" upbringing and education.

A friend is stuck with a member of staff who is more than qualified to do their job, but finds it stressful (and appears to have some stress at home as well) and so keeps having time off, creating issues for other staff members who are left in impossible situations trying to cover (it's a role where it's just about impossible to walk out if your relief isn't in on time...)

This person won't/can't be honest with themselves and just quit (apparently, they have "rights"!) so will end up being managed out, during which there will almost certainly be further absence (and in our modern world, a claim for unfair dismissal!)

This member of staff doesn't appear to recognise the "rights" of other members of staff to be relieved at the end of their shifts, or the "rights" of their family members to see them now and again.

Fortunately, as is the modern way, their Facebook page may speed up the disciplinary process!!! swings and roundabouts, as they say!?

This is not related to millenials at all. I've had to manage this very situation with much older members of staff who know how to play the system to get just about as much time off as they can without ever quite reaching the trigger point for dismissal due to lack of attendance etc.

And several older members of staff who take time off for "stress" when they are asked to use a computer or a mobile phone for part of their work.

[Angrybiker]

Shakermaker said:

vx220 said:

TameRacingDriver said:

I sort of disagree. I can't imagine your average short bloke (say 5'5") making a good sprinter no matter how hard he tries, just to give one example. Some people are just naturally more gifted than others. That's not to say that someone who isn't naturally talented wont be better than someone who is if they practice and the other guy doesn't but all things being equal, it will be your DNA that will have the final say as to whether or not you can be the very best. I guess that doesn't matter quite so much when it comes to careers though, so I do see where you are coming from.

I think this ties in with the "you're amazing, you can be anything you want to be" upbringing and education.

A friend is stuck with a member of staff who is more than qualified to do their job, but finds it stressful (and appears to have some stress at home as well) and so keeps having time off, creating issues for other staff members who are left in impossible situations trying to cover (it's a role where it's just about impossible to walk out if your relief isn't in on time...)

This person won't/can't be honest with themselves and just quit (apparently, they have "rights"!) so will end up being managed out, during which there will almost certainly be further absence (and in our modern world, a claim for unfair dismissal!)

This member of staff doesn't appear to recognise the "rights" of other members of staff to be relieved at the end of their shifts, or the "rights" of their family members to see them now and again.

Fortunately, as is the modern way, their Facebook page may speed up the disciplinary process!!! swings and roundabouts, as they say!?

This is not related to millenials at all. I've had to manage this very situation with much older members of staff who know how to play the system to get just about as much time off as they can without ever quite reaching the trigger point for dismissal due to lack of attendance etc.

And several older members of staff who take time off for "stress" when they are asked to use a computer or a mobile phone for part of their work.

Much as I love to bash the Millennials, I have to agree. I've seen this quite a few times in quite a few factories where a fair proportion of the workforce would bunk off until 3rd written warning and then be good as gold for 6 months until record cleared, rinse repeat (typically where the T&G, as they were then known, were firmly ensconced. Read into that what you will).

[Harry Flashman]

Shakermaker said:

Timmy40 said:

Isn't it a bit soon to judge as by definition the oldest millennials are only just 17? The NEETS etc are the Noughties who grew up under Fony Bliar. Its that lot that ironically love Corbyn. The millennials can't vote yet.

That isn't what a "Millenial" is

The commonly accepted definition of a "Millenial" is those who "came of age" at or around the turn of the millenium. So its broadly aimed at those of us born between about 1982-1987, who entered the workforce in around the year 2000

Surely not? I started work in 2000 after leaving law school - I'm 40. Definitely not what the press refer to as a Millennial...

[Shakermaker]

Harry Flashman said:

Shakermaker said:

Timmy40 said:

Isn't it a bit soon to judge as by definition the oldest millennials are only just 17? The NEETS etc are the Noughties who grew up under Fony Bliar. Its that lot that ironically love Corbyn. The millennials can't vote yet.

That isn't what a "Millenial" is

The commonly accepted definition of a "Millenial" is those who "came of age" at or around the turn of the millenium. So its broadly aimed at those of us born between about 1982-1987, who entered the workforce in around the year 2000

Surely not? I started work in 2000 after leaving law school - I'm 40. Definitely not what the press refer to as a Millennial...

No, you're definitely older than what is commonly referred to as a "millenial" because I take it you were born in 1976/77 (I used my brain to work that out, unlike most millenials who would probably go on snapchat to find out?) - although the term is quite elastic and there are many different terms but generally, its those of us aged 20-35 who are "millenials" in modern terms, and even within that, it is likely to be the 20-28 year olds who are more specifically targeted nowadays. Perhaps my earlier post was incorrect.

[okgo]

Harry Flashman said:

Surely not? I started work in 2000 after leaving law school - I'm 40. Definitely not what the press refer to as a Millennial...

You were born before 1982, so you're not a millennial.

[Harry Flashman]

TameRacingDriver said:

scherzkeks said:

Natural ability/genetics plays a stronger role. I wouldn't mind being a top footballer, or a virtuoso on guitar. But I suspect that no matter how much work I put in, it won't matter much in the end.

A good point which is easily and frequently forgotten, and it's probably a good job too. You can't be a leader unless you also have followers, and if you don't have the natural talent or ability to excel at your chosen field, you will never make it no matter how hard you try.

For me personally, I have tried hard to progress in the various places I have worked, but it hasn't happened, presumably because there is someone who is more capable who gets picked before me, or because there is someone who is prepared (as said previously) to put in that bit extra effort and sacrifice other areas of their life to get ahead....

As I hit middle age, I am cool with that. I acknowledge my limitations and try and lead my life the best way I can with the abilities I have been given. I accept I won't ever be rich or successful or particularly amount to anything great, and in a way, its liberating to be able to recognise and accept that fact. I must admit though, it was a fact that I found difficult to accept when I was younger, but age has really mellowed me out. As such, I no longer work myself ragged trying to attain the unobtainable - don't get me wrong, I am happy to put the graft in as and when required, I can be a very hard worker, but the cliche of simply "work harder for more success" does not always guarantee the outcome you desire IME.

That's a wise post.

Now go and get me a coffee, like I told you to.

[Angrybiker]

Vocal Minority said:

The Beaver King said:

There are probably 8-10 other Millennials in my business (construction industry, so a lot of old heads) and only one or two of them have any chance of climbing the ladder at any decent rate. The rest are flowers.

It isn't because they're lazy per se, but they don't tend to take the initiative and like to be spoon-fed information. That said, I reckon that applies to probably 75% of the industry so it is hardly a generation thing.

Herein lies a kernel of truth.

Personally I think the is a cause and effect from the over-reliance on exam results and school league tables. I know a lot of that generation that have been trained to pass exams - but not to use their brains - which is why I always felt that Gove's move towards exams over coursework was dumb - as coursework taught a lot about what it is like to operate as a human in the real world - Problem solving, working to deadlines and pacing work, working effectively in groups - all useful stuff.

I know the back bone of this thread is the 'its not my fault' attitude being prevalent - but I think many assume that we come from the womb and smoothly move along, analysing and rationally judging the world in a detached manner, whilst never being influenced by it.

Which is of course total horse balls because we are all a product of our environment in one way or another.

So - whilst I agree that many millenials can be totally dependent on spoon feeding - our education system at present doesn't really train people to use their brain right.

That needs to change

IMO the slippery slope started with replacing O levels with GCSEs and then (disaster) making the Polys into Universities.

[anonymous-user]

sold some seats on ebay.

starts asking if i have pets how long stored etc. yes a cat and only just taken out the car. These are second hand leather seats so expect wear/smells.

he wants me to keep cat away as he suffers from allergies, FFS ask before you buy. Has to be a snowflake generation. I think i will cancel because i just know how it will end.