So, what's your thoughts on this Ebay auction

So, what's your thoughts on this Ebay auction

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SCEtoAUX

4,119 posts

81 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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Dodgy as you like. Walk away, computers aren't in short supply. If you get some kind of bad feedback then so be it.

turbomoped

4,180 posts

83 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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To be relevant for a moment,I would go for the reporting it to Ebay. Its the principle of the thing and I wouldn't want anyone
to feel encouraged to copy this sort of behavior.

craigjm

17,945 posts

200 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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turbomoped said:
To be relevant for a moment,I would go for the reporting it to Ebay. Its the principle of the thing and I wouldn't want anyone
to feel encouraged to copy this sort of behavior.
Exactly, that's what I was getting at in my first post

littlebasher

Original Poster:

3,776 posts

171 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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I've reported it, although suspect that nothing will happen

Up to me now i guess to decide whether to stump up the readies or cancel the sale. Interestingly, the seller has sold a similar machine before with a starting price of £249 - so my auction conveniently fell within his target price

ChocolateFrog

25,212 posts

173 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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Always use a sniping tool.

Eliminates the potential for shill bidding and you wont get drawn into a bidding war at the end.

I don't know why everyone doesn't do this.

38911

764 posts

151 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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ChocolateFrog said:
Always use a sniping tool.

Eliminates the potential for shill bidding and you wont get drawn into a bidding war at the end.

I don't know why everyone doesn't do this.
No it doesn't.

A lot of shill bidders place multiple bids. Assume a start price of £100. Shill bids are placed at £100, £110, £120, £130, £140, £150, £160, £170 etc. The 'winning bid' stays at their first bid (£100) until your sniping tool comes in at, say, £155 max bid. Then the price jumps to their £160 bid. The auction closes and they retract their £160, leaving you holding the baton at your full £155 (because their £150 still stands)... when you should have had it for £100.


sandman77

2,408 posts

138 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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I 100% would not complete the sale. The seller has clearly cheated to raise you to your maximum bid which is against eBay rules. Email him telling him that and also tell him you have reported him/her to eBay.
This behaviour should not be rewarded.

38911

764 posts

151 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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turbomoped said:
To be relevant for a moment,I would go for the reporting it to Ebay. Its the principle of the thing and I wouldn't want anyone
to feel encouraged to copy this sort of behavior.
Don't be naive. Shill bidding is rampant - there are thousands of Shill Bids happening every on eBay. eBay themselves love it as it pushes the Final Fee up (= more money for them).

There was even an article in the press a number of years back quoting an eBay executive, who was actively encouraging Shill bidding.

littlebasher

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3,776 posts

171 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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I've emailed the seller to explain what has happened, but not accused them of anything.

Asked if they'd be prepared to do anything based on the obvious fake bids.....We'll see what they say!

GTIAlex

1,935 posts

166 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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Report and don't continue with sale.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,254 posts

235 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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More likely the seller likes the look of your high feedback (rather than the zero guy)

Could well be legit

Could well not

That's eBay

mickytruelove

420 posts

111 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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also dont worry about about a "non paying strike" on your account. Buyers are like god on ebay. you could buy the item, st in a box and post it back to him and still only get positive feedback.


Timbergiant

995 posts

130 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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Sounds like bidding manipulation, report it to eBay.

toastybase

2,225 posts

208 months

Wednesday 20th September 2017
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Withdraw your bid if you can with an explanation.

Failing that;

Cancel all cards debit AND credit

Remove address from PayPal and payment information from both PayPal and eBay

Move address 3 times and update credit score information to that effect

Have salary paid into a Halifax savings account that doesn’t have
a debit card. Do this for three years then apply for a ‘Basic bank account’

Any computer, tablet, laptop etc that was used to bid on the auction should be wiped and sold. Proceeds of the sale should buy you a PAYG phone in cash and some credit...but more importantly time to get back on your feet.



dudleybloke

19,809 posts

186 months

Wednesday 20th September 2017
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toastybase said:
Withdraw your bid if you can with an explanation.

Failing that;

Cancel all cards debit AND credit

Remove address from PayPal and payment information from both PayPal and eBay

Move address 3 times and update credit score information to that effect

Have salary paid into a Halifax savings account that doesn’t have
a debit card. Do this for three years then apply for a ‘Basic bank account’

Any computer, tablet, laptop etc that was used to bid on the auction should be wiped and sold. Proceeds of the sale should buy you a PAYG phone in cash and some credit...but more importantly time to get back on your feet.
And burn your shoes too.

Cold

15,243 posts

90 months

Wednesday 20th September 2017
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dudleybloke said:
And burn your shoes too.
Take them off first.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Wednesday 20th September 2017
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38911 said:
No it doesn't.

A lot of shill bidders place multiple bids. Assume a start price of £100. Shill bids are placed at £100, £110, £120, £130, £140, £150, £160, £170 etc. The 'winning bid' stays at their first bid (£100) until your sniping tool comes in at, say, £155 max bid. Then the price jumps to their £160 bid. The auction closes and they retract their £160, leaving you holding the baton at your full £155 (because their £150 still stands)... when you should have had it for £100.

Surely a bid cannot be retracted after the auction closes.

schmunk

4,399 posts

125 months

Wednesday 20th September 2017
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Cold said:
dudleybloke said:
And burn your shoes too.
Take them off first.
yes

I won't make that mistake again.

littlebasher

Original Poster:

3,776 posts

171 months

Wednesday 20th September 2017
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The seller got back to me this morning. He says that fake bidders are causing him no end of problems these days, which is why most of his stuff is sold with a BIN.

Anyway, he refunded me the difference which seems fair enough.

Perhaps i was a little to quick to judge after all..... or i caught him out and he wants to save himself the indignity of poor feedback!

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Wednesday 20th September 2017
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Result.

The cynic in me tells me it's him and this is like hush money. Not everyone would pick that pattern up so if he has to pay one or two bidders back over the course of time... well he's in it for the long game.