How does NCD work

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mickmcpaddy

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1,445 posts

105 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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I've got many many years NCD but its capped to the max, 6 years or 9 years or whatever the insurance company chooses. However the max is round about 60% discount, Esure who I'm with actually give a couple of percent more the longer you stay with them.

So why is it if I run a quote without including my NCD (because I already use it on an other car) I get a price in the region of £450 per year but if I tell it I have max no claims it only drops to £350. This is with all the insurance companies that give a reasonable quote, not just Esure, they are all in the same ball park.

So what it the 65% a percentage of? Its certainly not the total figure. I remember years ago when I was younger NCD made a massive difference to your quote and you had to try so hard not to have an accident just to try and get the insurance affordable but today it seems it makes hardly any difference at all.

jkh112

21,989 posts

158 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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I have found similar. I recently bought another car and had no NCB to use on it. When I took out an insurance policy I queried the NCB and was told I had been given an introductory 3 years due to my driving record. Not really sure how that works but I didn't complain.

dieseluser07

2,452 posts

116 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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Ive never understood ncd.

If you protect it then have a crash then why do you still get discount, your premium will rise still, you dont get a crash for free.

I have 9 years NCD yet still pay 700 odd for insurance.

V8mate

45,899 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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I don't think it's a discount at all. Your 'no claims' history is just one of many risk factors which derive your price, IMHO.

This is from my renewal, received last week.


PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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I think a lot of insurers give an introductory 30% discount to attract new business. So if you have 60% NCD you only see a 30% reduction in the premium as the NCD applies to the gross premium.

Doofus

25,805 posts

173 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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NCD isn't real. It's sales and marketing guff.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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In the 'olden days' premiums were calculated using a relatively simple equation of vehicle group, area, Driver age and NCD and not much else.

Things are a lot more complex these days so NCD forms a much smaller part of the calculation.

CoolHands

18,618 posts

195 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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It's a ripoff just like everything else

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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The only thing that really matters is the cost of the premium

popeyewhite

19,850 posts

120 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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Quite simple.

If you haven't got any they'll increase your premium considerably.

If you've got a lifetimes' worth it will make little difference to your premium. The amount of discount also seems inversely proportional to the number of years you haven't claimed for.

mikey P 500

1,239 posts

187 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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Op when you ran the quote with no NCD you prob still said how many years you have been driving for and that you had no claims in the last 5, so they will have applied a sizable amount of the discount anyway. Norwich union for example would give anyone with 5 yrs clean driving history 55 percent off. (Same as 2 yrs ncd). The discount was roughly 50 percent for yr1 then upto to 70 for 5 yrs so makes a massive difference when starting out.

swisstoni

16,977 posts

279 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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A totally made-up incentive from many years ago that's got out of hand.
It's interpreted differently depending on who you talk to and it's not centrally regulated as far as I can make out.

It's an absolute pain in the ass for all concerned including the insurance industry itself I should imagine.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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CoolHands said:
It's a ripoff just like everything else
In what way is it a rip off?

V8mate

45,899 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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desolate said:
CoolHands said:
It's a ripoff just like everything else
In what way is it a rip off?
It's not a rip-off; it's just a factor.

What *is* a rip-off, is taking the NCD protection policies they flog. Which notionally preserve your NCD but do nothing to change your revised risk profile.

Plate spinner

17,696 posts

200 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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Doofus said:
NCD isn't real. It's sales and marketing guff.
Agreed. Insurance really is the most shady industry full of bullst and rip off merchants who'll do anything to get your money and everything to avoid paying you out.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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V8mate said:
It's not a rip-off; it's just a factor.

What *is* a rip-off, is taking the NCD protection policies they flog. Which notionally preserve your NCD but do nothing to change your revised risk profile.
I don't sell private car insurance anymore but when I did NCD protection wasn't a separate policy and it did protect the NCD for that insurer but not the rest of the market.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,346 posts

150 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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Plate spinner said:
Agreed. Insurance really is the most shady industry full of bullst and rip off merchants who'll do anything to get your money and everything to avoid paying you out.
What evidence do you have for this? Over the last 35 yrs I've made claims on motor, pet, household and travel insurance. I've never had any trouble getting paid out. Maybe because I told them the truth when I took the policies out and my claims were genuine.

InitialDave

11,887 posts

119 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Plate spinner said:
Agreed. Insurance really is the most shady industry full of bullst and rip off merchants who'll do anything to get your money and everything to avoid paying you out.
What evidence do you have for this? Over the last 35 yrs I've made claims on motor, pet, household and travel insurance. I've never had any trouble getting paid out. Maybe because I told them the truth when I took the policies out and my claims were genuine.
Mmm, I had to claim on my home insurance early this year when I was burgled, and they were great to deal with. I was concerned about things like providing receipts and evidence of what was taken, but they just took my list and sorted me out.

Obviously one experience with one company, and not for car insurance, but clearly shows they can't all be dicks.

CoolHands

18,618 posts

195 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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desolate said:
CoolHands said:
It's a ripoff just like everything else
In what way is it a rip off?
Who can be arsed to argue, but as a token example, how 9 years with an insurer becomes 6 with another, as they don't go up to 9.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 23rd September 2017
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CoolHands said:
Who can be arsed to argue, but as a token example, how 9 years with an insurer becomes 6 with another, as they don't go up to 9.
How does that equate to being ripped off?