Haunted by a child? Thoughts?
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PositronicRay said:
So if finite what happens at the end?
Haven't the foggiest I'm afraid, my best guess is that the universe is expanding into something, what that something is I have no idea, perhaps a previous universe? There are scientists who have theories but who knows. Just seems more plausible to me than the universe is infinite and everything that can happen has happened or whatever they call it.Edited by PositronicRay on Monday 23 October 16:21
This is one of those situations where we just don't know yet which some people seem to have a real problem admitting, or we could just blame ghosts.
Kewy said:
SpeckledJim said:
That does sound good. Depending on the politeness of the gathered company, I'm sure that approach yields results.
But this is an e-pub. And a very famously unpleasant one, at that.
We don't have quiet corners and whispered admonitions from kindly Dutch uncles. This is war, dagnammit.
You're finally starting to make sense. And may I compliment you on the manner in which you are providing this insight But this is an e-pub. And a very famously unpleasant one, at that.
We don't have quiet corners and whispered admonitions from kindly Dutch uncles. This is war, dagnammit.
So like in all traditional wars, no one knows who or why they are fighting right?
Guvernator said:
PositronicRay said:
So if finite what happens at the end?
Haven't the foggiest I'm afraid, my best guess is that the universe is expanding into something, what that something is I have no idea, perhaps a previous universe? There are scientists who have theories but who knows. Just seems more plausible to me than the universe is infinite and everything that can happen has happened or whatever they call it.Edited by PositronicRay on Monday 23 October 16:21
This is one of those situations where we just don't know yet which some people seem to have a real problem admitting, or we could just blame ghosts.
SpeckledJim said:
Certainly, as is always the way with these ghastly things (that's ghastly, not ghostly) the reasons at the end will be different to the reasons at the start.
I'm glad we are able to come to some sort of agreement Jim, and I've left feeling neither insulted or attacked.Have a nice day sir.
Kewy said:
SpeckledJim said:
Certainly, as is always the way with these ghastly things (that's ghastly, not ghostly) the reasons at the end will be different to the reasons at the start.
I'm glad we are able to come to some sort of agreement Jim, and I've left feeling neither insulted or attacked.Have a nice day sir.
PositronicRay said:
So we don't really understand the universe. But other things, unproven by current scientific thinking, definitely don't exist .
Put rather more accurately: there are some very, very, very big things, and some very, very, very small things, that we can observe but cannot currently explain. There are also many things (both very very very big and very very very small) that we have explained before we were able to observe them, which is a nice confirmation that, basically, most of what we know is more-or-less true. Certainly, at the human scale there is very little reason to look for for as-yet unexplainable effects that describe things that we can cannot observe, which appears to be what you are looking for.Reducing to its simplest form - the fact that we do not know everything, does not mean that we know nothing.
PositronicRay said:
Guvernator said:
PositronicRay said:
So if finite what happens at the end?
Haven't the foggiest I'm afraid, my best guess is that the universe is expanding into something, what that something is I have no idea, perhaps a previous universe? There are scientists who have theories but who knows. Just seems more plausible to me than the universe is infinite and everything that can happen has happened or whatever they call it.Edited by PositronicRay on Monday 23 October 16:21
This is one of those situations where we just don't know yet which some people seem to have a real problem admitting, or we could just blame ghosts.
Conversely some nutter who says they've been abducted by aliens or says they've seen ghosts or that a ghost lives in their bedroom does not form the basis for "evidence" that something exists, just because its unproven by science.
Edited by daemon on Monday 23 October 19:51
A couple of years ago we did a paranormal tour of Wicklow Gaol in Ireland - supposedly one of the most haunted places in ireland.
EDIT: Actually one of the ten most haunted places in the world if this is to be believed....
http://wicklownews.net/2013/10/wicklow-gaol-listed...
Full overnight thing, full paranormal society outing and they brought all the gear. There was about 10 of us. 2 from the paranormal society - all enthused and confident they were going to get some "evidence", one "believer" who was clearly a nutter from the outset, a handful of people who genuinely looked like they were about to s
t themselves with nerves and me and the missus.
Granted, a very old building, some terrible things happened there and - allegedly - there has been loads of paranormal activity reports. We did the whole sitting in these rooms were these attrocities happened all through the night and at "key points" were paranormal activity had been reported. All the gear out, all the sensors - heat sensors, movement sensors, laser sensors, plus some other kit that would allegedly show something or other.
Now, the aforementioned believer / nutter was constantly getting feelings of spirits moving around her, of cold drafts, etc but she was laying it on that thick it wasnt at all believable. We did the everyone put a finger on the glass on some old table in a cell in which people had been massacred and the idea was the "spirits" were going to move the glass. Now i could see nutter woman was moving the glass - she'd have had it spelling out everyones name if i hadnt held my finger down on it (for which i got glared at when she twigged it was me
)
And there was genuinely nothing. The odd noise but nothing that couldnt have been attributed to just an old building creaking.
Complete waste of time.
EDIT: Actually one of the ten most haunted places in the world if this is to be believed....
http://wicklownews.net/2013/10/wicklow-gaol-listed...
Full overnight thing, full paranormal society outing and they brought all the gear. There was about 10 of us. 2 from the paranormal society - all enthused and confident they were going to get some "evidence", one "believer" who was clearly a nutter from the outset, a handful of people who genuinely looked like they were about to s
t themselves with nerves and me and the missus.Granted, a very old building, some terrible things happened there and - allegedly - there has been loads of paranormal activity reports. We did the whole sitting in these rooms were these attrocities happened all through the night and at "key points" were paranormal activity had been reported. All the gear out, all the sensors - heat sensors, movement sensors, laser sensors, plus some other kit that would allegedly show something or other.
Now, the aforementioned believer / nutter was constantly getting feelings of spirits moving around her, of cold drafts, etc but she was laying it on that thick it wasnt at all believable. We did the everyone put a finger on the glass on some old table in a cell in which people had been massacred and the idea was the "spirits" were going to move the glass. Now i could see nutter woman was moving the glass - she'd have had it spelling out everyones name if i hadnt held my finger down on it (for which i got glared at when she twigged it was me
) And there was genuinely nothing. The odd noise but nothing that couldnt have been attributed to just an old building creaking.
Complete waste of time.
Edited by daemon on Monday 23 October 19:50
deckster said:
deckster said:
Here we go again. Can I summarize the next 40 pages?
10 PRINT "Believers: You non-believers are arrogant!"
20 PRINT "Non-believers: You believers are stupid!"
30 GOTO 10
As we're now on page 40, can I just check if we've moved beyond this yet?10 PRINT "Believers: You non-believers are arrogant!"
20 PRINT "Non-believers: You believers are stupid!"
30 GOTO 10
daemon said:
A couple of years ago we did a paranormal tour of Wicklow Gaol in Ireland - supposedly one of the most haunted places in ireland.
EDIT: Actually one of the ten most haunted places in the world if this is to be believed....
http://wicklownews.net/2013/10/wicklow-gaol-listed...
Full overnight thing, full paranormal society outing and they brought all the gear. There was about 10 of us. 2 from the paranormal society - all enthused and confident they were going to get some "evidence", one "believer" who was clearly a nutter from the outset, a handful of people who genuinely looked like they were about to st themselves with nerves and me and the missus.
Granted, a very old building, some terrible things happened there and - allegedly - there has been loads of paranormal activity reports. We did the whole sitting in these rooms were these attrocities happened all through the night and at "key points" were paranormal activity had been reported. All the gear out, all the sensors - heat sensors, movement sensors, laser sensors, plus some other kit that would allegedly show something or other.
Now, the aforementioned believer / nutter was constantly getting feelings of spirits moving around her, of cold drafts, etc but she was laying it on that thick it wasnt at all believable. We did the everyone put a finger on the glass on some old table in a cell in which people had been massacred and the idea was the "spirits" were going to move the glass. Now i could see nutter woman was moving the glass - she'd have had it spelling out everyones name if i hadnt held my finger down on it (for which i got glared at when she twigged it was me )
And there was genuinely nothing. The odd noise but nothing that couldnt have been attributed to just an old building creaking.
Complete waste of time.
Good post, and I would be going into that situation with a cynical mind.EDIT: Actually one of the ten most haunted places in the world if this is to be believed....
http://wicklownews.net/2013/10/wicklow-gaol-listed...
Full overnight thing, full paranormal society outing and they brought all the gear. There was about 10 of us. 2 from the paranormal society - all enthused and confident they were going to get some "evidence", one "believer" who was clearly a nutter from the outset, a handful of people who genuinely looked like they were about to s
t themselves with nerves and me and the missus.Granted, a very old building, some terrible things happened there and - allegedly - there has been loads of paranormal activity reports. We did the whole sitting in these rooms were these attrocities happened all through the night and at "key points" were paranormal activity had been reported. All the gear out, all the sensors - heat sensors, movement sensors, laser sensors, plus some other kit that would allegedly show something or other.
Now, the aforementioned believer / nutter was constantly getting feelings of spirits moving around her, of cold drafts, etc but she was laying it on that thick it wasnt at all believable. We did the everyone put a finger on the glass on some old table in a cell in which people had been massacred and the idea was the "spirits" were going to move the glass. Now i could see nutter woman was moving the glass - she'd have had it spelling out everyones name if i hadnt held my finger down on it (for which i got glared at when she twigged it was me
) And there was genuinely nothing. The odd noise but nothing that couldnt have been attributed to just an old building creaking.
Complete waste of time.
Edited by daemon on Monday 23 October 19:50
I've been to 'Medium nights' before and have come away unconvinced if I'm honest, but they were public events.
I've had my experiences, but I'm not sold on those 'ghost hunting' events at all.
Front bottom said:
daemon said:
A couple of years ago we did a paranormal tour of Wicklow Gaol in Ireland - supposedly one of the most haunted places in ireland.
EDIT: Actually one of the ten most haunted places in the world if this is to be believed....
http://wicklownews.net/2013/10/wicklow-gaol-listed...
Full overnight thing, full paranormal society outing and they brought all the gear. There was about 10 of us. 2 from the paranormal society - all enthused and confident they were going to get some "evidence", one "believer" who was clearly a nutter from the outset, a handful of people who genuinely looked like they were about to st themselves with nerves and me and the missus.
Granted, a very old building, some terrible things happened there and - allegedly - there has been loads of paranormal activity reports. We did the whole sitting in these rooms were these attrocities happened all through the night and at "key points" were paranormal activity had been reported. All the gear out, all the sensors - heat sensors, movement sensors, laser sensors, plus some other kit that would allegedly show something or other.
Now, the aforementioned believer / nutter was constantly getting feelings of spirits moving around her, of cold drafts, etc but she was laying it on that thick it wasnt at all believable. We did the everyone put a finger on the glass on some old table in a cell in which people had been massacred and the idea was the "spirits" were going to move the glass. Now i could see nutter woman was moving the glass - she'd have had it spelling out everyones name if i hadnt held my finger down on it (for which i got glared at when she twigged it was me )
And there was genuinely nothing. The odd noise but nothing that couldnt have been attributed to just an old building creaking.
Complete waste of time.
Good post, and I would be going into that situation with a cynical mind.EDIT: Actually one of the ten most haunted places in the world if this is to be believed....
http://wicklownews.net/2013/10/wicklow-gaol-listed...
Full overnight thing, full paranormal society outing and they brought all the gear. There was about 10 of us. 2 from the paranormal society - all enthused and confident they were going to get some "evidence", one "believer" who was clearly a nutter from the outset, a handful of people who genuinely looked like they were about to s
t themselves with nerves and me and the missus.Granted, a very old building, some terrible things happened there and - allegedly - there has been loads of paranormal activity reports. We did the whole sitting in these rooms were these attrocities happened all through the night and at "key points" were paranormal activity had been reported. All the gear out, all the sensors - heat sensors, movement sensors, laser sensors, plus some other kit that would allegedly show something or other.
Now, the aforementioned believer / nutter was constantly getting feelings of spirits moving around her, of cold drafts, etc but she was laying it on that thick it wasnt at all believable. We did the everyone put a finger on the glass on some old table in a cell in which people had been massacred and the idea was the "spirits" were going to move the glass. Now i could see nutter woman was moving the glass - she'd have had it spelling out everyones name if i hadnt held my finger down on it (for which i got glared at when she twigged it was me
) And there was genuinely nothing. The odd noise but nothing that couldnt have been attributed to just an old building creaking.
Complete waste of time.
Edited by daemon on Monday 23 October 19:50
I've been to 'Medium nights' before and have come away unconvinced if I'm honest, but they were public events.
I've had my experiences, but I'm not sold on those 'ghost hunting' events at all.
How do we know its a child. I remember that film where the ghost persuades the woman investigator to let him shag her. She thinks its a lost young bloke who never had the chance to experience the joys of lovemaking. But it turns out to be a crippled old perv. Roddie McDowall works it out.
And he wasn't dressed up as a monkey either. A lot of people only think he could do the monkey in the Planet Of The Apes movies. There was more to him than that.
And he wasn't dressed up as a monkey either. A lot of people only think he could do the monkey in the Planet Of The Apes movies. There was more to him than that.
Wicklow Gaol looking looks like a right tourist attraction complete with wax figures to scare the kids - and what you experienced sounds like a right load of old tosh as they probably run those evenings to maximise the income. I doubt anything ever really happens - whenever anything unexplained occurs it’s rarely on command anyway to my knowledge, so I’m not surprised by your account.
The other posters have had far more going on just randomly.
The other posters have had far more going on just randomly.
Interesting thread with the expected mix of comments.
As what I would class as being a non-believer I have only one experience from a 'ghost tour' in Edinburgh when my wife's cousin and I did the Mackenzie Poltergeist tour in Greyfriars graveyard. Yes I would absolutely agree we would have been at a heightened state of anticipation due to going on a ghost tour in a graveyard in the dark but I'll just explain the outcome as it happened.
Was early April 2008, bitterly cold and a dark but clear evening. Group of around 20 people were walked to the stone tomb by the host of the tour, I would describe the tomb as being like a medium sized cave, around 7' at the highest point and maybe 15-18' in diameter.
Everyone walked into the tomb and asked to turnaround to face the host who began talking us through the Mackenzie story and the happenings over the years. My wife's cousin and I are at the back of the tomb with the rest of the tour goers in front and have the stone wall behind us.
Been in there maybe 4-5 mins when I heard my wife's cousin gasp and look over her right shoulder - I was stood immediately to her left. As she did this I instantly broke out in a heavy sweat and a swathe of nausea flush through me as the girl stood in front of me promptly fainted and hit the floor.
Tour guide dragged the whole tour out of the tomb, we had to make statements to the incident and that was that. Wife's cousin claimed she heard/felt a heavy breath in her ear (no one stood to the right of her) which gained her reaction.
Over the years I have reflected on it and wondered if it was the heightened anticipation and we were all subliminally feeding off each others anxiety creating the physical outcome experienced by 3 adults stood in close proximity??
I would happily do the tour again to see what happens, if anything.
Never had any other paranormal experiences in my life. I have lost close family members over the years and currently live in a house where the owner was found deceased at the bottom of the stairs - but nothing.
Like to think I am fairly open minded, don't have any religious belief's and fascinated by things which I can't explain.
As what I would class as being a non-believer I have only one experience from a 'ghost tour' in Edinburgh when my wife's cousin and I did the Mackenzie Poltergeist tour in Greyfriars graveyard. Yes I would absolutely agree we would have been at a heightened state of anticipation due to going on a ghost tour in a graveyard in the dark but I'll just explain the outcome as it happened.
Was early April 2008, bitterly cold and a dark but clear evening. Group of around 20 people were walked to the stone tomb by the host of the tour, I would describe the tomb as being like a medium sized cave, around 7' at the highest point and maybe 15-18' in diameter.
Everyone walked into the tomb and asked to turnaround to face the host who began talking us through the Mackenzie story and the happenings over the years. My wife's cousin and I are at the back of the tomb with the rest of the tour goers in front and have the stone wall behind us.
Been in there maybe 4-5 mins when I heard my wife's cousin gasp and look over her right shoulder - I was stood immediately to her left. As she did this I instantly broke out in a heavy sweat and a swathe of nausea flush through me as the girl stood in front of me promptly fainted and hit the floor.
Tour guide dragged the whole tour out of the tomb, we had to make statements to the incident and that was that. Wife's cousin claimed she heard/felt a heavy breath in her ear (no one stood to the right of her) which gained her reaction.
Over the years I have reflected on it and wondered if it was the heightened anticipation and we were all subliminally feeding off each others anxiety creating the physical outcome experienced by 3 adults stood in close proximity??
I would happily do the tour again to see what happens, if anything.
Never had any other paranormal experiences in my life. I have lost close family members over the years and currently live in a house where the owner was found deceased at the bottom of the stairs - but nothing.
Like to think I am fairly open minded, don't have any religious belief's and fascinated by things which I can't explain.
V6Pushfit said:
Wicklow Gaol looking looks like a right tourist attraction complete with wax figures to scare the kids - and what you experienced sounds like a right load of old tosh as they probably run those evenings to maximise the income. I doubt anything ever really happens - whenever anything unexplained occurs it’s rarely on command anyway to my knowledge, so I’m not surprised by your account.
The other posters have had far more going on just randomly.
The daytime tour is yes. This was a private tour done by a private paranormal group and was done overnight. It wasnt dont by the Wicklow prison staff. They just gave us access. It was a local paranormal society and they were trying to drum up new memberships. Failed miserably.The other posters have had far more going on just randomly.
It was all done in darkness and we were down in the depths of the gaol. Sitting there in the dark in silence for maybe 30 mins at a time. There was noone else in the place. You could have heard a pin drop
I think we were there for six hours - something like 23:00 to 05:00 in the morning. We went to all the "key areas" for paranormal activity.
At one point we were all in individual cells in the darkness - pitch black - and we were all to be silent as he called out for "a sign". I very nearly farted loudly just for comedy effect but my missus would have killed me
Edited by daemon on Monday 23 October 21:25
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