Lift buttons and jews
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baldy1926 said:
About 20 years ago one of my staff would regularly disappear during the day. It turned out he was going off to pray and had hidden his pray mat as he was worried what people would say!
Fat forward a few years 2 Muslim guys i worked with. They used to pray on a Friday until some one told them they could have time off to pray. Then it was 5 times a day and never when they were on a break, piss takers.
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If they were praying 5 times a day at work how long were their shifts? Prayer times can be from 2am to 11pm so that's a long shift if it was all during work time.Fat forward a few years 2 Muslim guys i worked with. They used to pray on a Friday until some one told them they could have time off to pray. Then it was 5 times a day and never when they were on a break, piss takers.
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underwhelmist said:
SlimJim16v said:
CAPP0 said:
Upon reflection, I ask myself (and I honestly don't know) whether one can be Jewish and non-religious. In other words, is Judaism a religion, a race, or both?
I don't think you can be Jewish but not religious. Jewish is not a race, as Muslim is not a race.elanfan said:
Alex_225 said:
I have a very strict Muslim chap on my team at work. He's a really nice guy and I've asked him various things about his religion as I'm intrigued. He wouldn't go into pub or bar due to it serving alcohol but he's not damning of the rest of the team who drink. We had a really interesting chat where he asked me what beer tastes like etc.
Pop into your nearest Sainsburys and buy him a bottle of Bavaria (they do lager and wheat beer) both are zero alcohol. I'm not teetotal but prefer not to drink as it gives me palpitations so I have some of these now and then. Refreshing and though I'm no connoisseur I reckon many wouldn't know it was alcohol free.zygalski said:
Mothersruin said:
Take the religion out of it and it's even more bizarre. It needs mocking and destroying, not pandering to.
How does this work in your everyday life?Do you harass the old folk by picketing the local church, start arguments with work colleagues & attempt to impose your atheist, materialist jihad, or are your actions confined to banging away at a keyboard & posting on a car owners website forum?
That said, since the Methodists started doing Pilates in their hall, I've never felt better.
motco said:
Helen Shapiro is a Messianic Jew. Who? You may well ask but the maturer members will remember.
She was born into the Jewish faith but has now moved over to a version of Christianity going out on Gospel tours ( or something similar)So it looks like a nice Stamford Hill girl can choose her way of thinking, but she is still from Stamford Hill, or any other part of the UK.
Exactly the same as the yoof of today who claim to be supporters of Liverpool ( in the 70/80's) then ManU ( 90's) Chelsea( 2000;s) Man City( now) or what ever team is the flavour of the year
They are still klutz whichever they support
silverfoxcc said:
She was born into the Jewish faith but has now moved over to a version of Christianity going out on Gospel tours ( or something similar)
So it looks like a nice Stamford Hill girl can choose her way of thinking, but she is still from Stamford Hill, or any other part of the UK.
Exactly the same as the yoof of today who claim to be supporters of Liverpool ( in the 70/80's) then ManU ( 90's) Chelsea( 2000;s) Man City( now) or what ever team is the flavour of the year
They are still klutz whichever they support
How do you dream up this weird stuff?So it looks like a nice Stamford Hill girl can choose her way of thinking, but she is still from Stamford Hill, or any other part of the UK.
Exactly the same as the yoof of today who claim to be supporters of Liverpool ( in the 70/80's) then ManU ( 90's) Chelsea( 2000;s) Man City( now) or what ever team is the flavour of the year
They are still klutz whichever they support
What I don't understand is how it's not okay to press the button yourself but okay to get somebody else to do it for you.
Likewise on the wiki article about it, the KosherLamp. Why is it okay to cover and uncover the lamp but not to switch it off and on? It achieves the same thing, what is the difference? Is the idea to try and catch God out with a technicality?
Likewise on the wiki article about it, the KosherLamp. Why is it okay to cover and uncover the lamp but not to switch it off and on? It achieves the same thing, what is the difference? Is the idea to try and catch God out with a technicality?
I mainly just lurk these days, in fact don't remember the last time I posted but saw this one and couldn't resist.
Yes, as someone who is an Orthodox Jew, this story rings true. Not going to comment on the specific actions of those in the OP's story but many of the activities raised in thread are common occurrences to many and the various curiosities to do with the Sabbath a part of my life. I try to be open about it and explain as much as possible to do with the practicalities whenever it has an effect on others e.g. for work. I don't believe the lift scenario to be that big an issue in the UK as we don't have so many high rise blocks, certainly in Israel and the US its a thing. Personally, I try to avoid using a Shabbat Elavator. The times where it could have been an issue, I've just used the stairs (admittedly less practical if one isn't able bodied).
Yes, as someone who is an Orthodox Jew, this story rings true. Not going to comment on the specific actions of those in the OP's story but many of the activities raised in thread are common occurrences to many and the various curiosities to do with the Sabbath a part of my life. I try to be open about it and explain as much as possible to do with the practicalities whenever it has an effect on others e.g. for work. I don't believe the lift scenario to be that big an issue in the UK as we don't have so many high rise blocks, certainly in Israel and the US its a thing. Personally, I try to avoid using a Shabbat Elavator. The times where it could have been an issue, I've just used the stairs (admittedly less practical if one isn't able bodied).
R8Steve said:
It all seems like a bizarre and unmanageable way of life IMO. I'd never heard of such a thing before this thread admittedly.
What happens if they set off a motion sensor for a light/door?
Very manageable if you grew up with it and are used to it. Certainly much harder to those who want to take it on later in life. What happens if they set off a motion sensor for a light/door?
One would avoid intentionally setting off a motion sensor, though walking past a house and triggering isn't intentional so not an issue.
As mentioned previously by others, Fridge lights triggered by opening / closing the door are switched off (by tape or magnets).
RTB said:
Ayahuasca said:
infanticide
Remind me what the Christian God asked Abraham to do to his son? jonnydm said:
R8Steve said:
It all seems like a bizarre and unmanageable way of life IMO. I'd never heard of such a thing before this thread admittedly.
What happens if they set off a motion sensor for a light/door?
Very manageable if you grew up with it and are used to it. Certainly much harder to those who want to take it on later in life. What happens if they set off a motion sensor for a light/door?
One would avoid intentionally setting off a motion sensor, though walking past a house and triggering isn't intentional so not an issue.
As mentioned previously by others, Fridge lights triggered by opening / closing the door are switched off (by tape or magnets).
I had a look to see what 'melakhah' prohibits and can't see how pressing a button on an elevator fits into this though?
R8Steve said:
It all seems like a bizarre and unmanageable way of life IMO.
It's the arbitrary nature of these rules that I can never get my head round. God supposedly created the Universe and everything in it yet he's bothered about whether you switch a light on between two pre-determined times. It all just stinks of man-made nonsense (people exerting power over others). In all honesty if people want to believe this rubbish and live accordingly then good luck to them. Providing their little faith-based idiosyncrasies don't harm anybody else. If people want to believe that a wafer and a sip of Aldi wine transforms into the flesh and blood of a bronze age Jew then fair enough, if it makes them happy to believe all this rubbish then who am I to deny them.
Where the line is drawn (in my opinion) is when any religious belief causes demonstrable harm to others. Taking a razor blade to a new-born's genitals crosses this line by quite a way as does teaching that women are chatells, denying people of different sexual orientation the right to exist, indoctrinating children, denying the reality of various scientific discoveries and a million other beliefs based on a bronze-aged world view.
N.B. None of the previous rant was aimed solely at Judaism, it applies equally to any organised religion.
Years ago I worked as the attendant at a beach car park on Saturdays.
A coach party of Orthodox Jews turned up one day (in the full gear on a nice hot day).
Their coach broke down and the coach company sent a relief bus driven by a woman from another depot and there was a big hoo ha as they would not be driven anywhere by a woman. They were trying to get the original driver to take them home on the new bus but he refused.
I forget how the stand off was resolved, I've got a feeling the coach company sent a third driver (male) down by car to drive them home in the second bus.
Lunacy.
A coach party of Orthodox Jews turned up one day (in the full gear on a nice hot day).
Their coach broke down and the coach company sent a relief bus driven by a woman from another depot and there was a big hoo ha as they would not be driven anywhere by a woman. They were trying to get the original driver to take them home on the new bus but he refused.
I forget how the stand off was resolved, I've got a feeling the coach company sent a third driver (male) down by car to drive them home in the second bus.
Lunacy.
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