TVR S Series remaining
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Was just looking at a thread from about 10 years ago which talked about numbers of TVR S series still in existence i.e on the road and SORN. Anyone any data on numbers left today?
Have heard less than 500?
Original production numbers:-
S1/S2 - 2048
S3/S3C - 112
S4C - 32
V8S - 408
2.0 supercharged V8S - 1
Have heard less than 500?
Original production numbers:-
S1/S2 - 2048
S3/S3C - 112
S4C - 32
V8S - 408
2.0 supercharged V8S - 1
mikdys said:
That’s interesting, there are more around in 2017 than in the few years before...excellentIf you delve a little deeper into the how many left website you can derive some more statistics. Beware, however, that these are statistics so figures may not add up. If you are a mathematician please do not get upset that there is no correct answer. If you do like your sums to add up, why do have you a TVR?
For instance, of the 290S models listed as taxed or SORN, 681 in total, then 126 are V8S models from the engine size. We know that many are registered incorrectly. These can be added to the 47 listed as V8S.
If we look at the TVR Missing category ( no model shown) there is an obvious spike in 1992 where, I guess, the person at the factory could not be ar**d to decide the car model. So,we have another 363 cars. A proportion of these I’ll be S series cars. Of all the ‘Missing’ TVRs of any year 399 are between 2900and 2999 cc so either Cologne or Essex engined cars? I may try and estimate how many of these are likely to be our models. However a bottle of Pinot Grigio beckons.
The interesting thing is that we can derive a better picture of the number of surviving cars with a little digging. I will carry on looking at the data.
Cheers
Tony
For instance, of the 290S models listed as taxed or SORN, 681 in total, then 126 are V8S models from the engine size. We know that many are registered incorrectly. These can be added to the 47 listed as V8S.
If we look at the TVR Missing category ( no model shown) there is an obvious spike in 1992 where, I guess, the person at the factory could not be ar**d to decide the car model. So,we have another 363 cars. A proportion of these I’ll be S series cars. Of all the ‘Missing’ TVRs of any year 399 are between 2900and 2999 cc so either Cologne or Essex engined cars? I may try and estimate how many of these are likely to be our models. However a bottle of Pinot Grigio beckons.
The interesting thing is that we can derive a better picture of the number of surviving cars with a little digging. I will carry on looking at the data.
Cheers
Tony
Niiige said:
Tony,
How did the wine and mathematics evening go ?
I gave up after a while. Of the ‘Missing’ cars we can identify the vehicles with the correct engine size and could probably guesstimate how many of these are Cologne rather than Essex by taking a percentage of the total parc (yes parc) for the relevant production years. How did the wine and mathematics evening go ?
It is unfortunate that the worst year for incomplete data is 1992 as I assume that we would have a significant number of Griffiths as well as V8S models so that it would be difficult to differentiate between them..
I would assume a relatively shallow death curve for the V8S so a high survival rate with a slightly steeper curve for V6 cars as values have been lower.
Interesting to note one 290S registered in 1995 although I have no clue whose car that could be........
Busy this week so unlikely to look again for a while.
Cheers
Tony
Just back from Holiday so will join in.
The Original posters numbers aren't correct - there were just over 2,600 'S' made and the busiest year was 1991, with more S3/C than any other type made overall.
A while ago I did some comparisons between the how many left numbers and the relationship to the numbers recorded on pistonheads (although big assumption that the proportion of PH users would be consistent across models (but than as Alan and Phillpot each have at least 3 types, it may not be too far off.)
The Original posters numbers aren't correct - there were just over 2,600 'S' made and the busiest year was 1991, with more S3/C than any other type made overall.
A while ago I did some comparisons between the how many left numbers and the relationship to the numbers recorded on pistonheads (although big assumption that the proportion of PH users would be consistent across models (but than as Alan and Phillpot each have at least 3 types, it may not be too far off.)
greymrj said:
You do wonder where some of these figures come from. I wonder if the 'continuous registration' has had that big an effect. I noticed that the DVLA 280S figure jumped up by 50% from 2106 to 2017, and the 290S jumped by 31%.
RichardIf you delve deeper into the data you will see the discrepancy is between the numbers of licensed and SORN vehicles. It is comparing Q3 2017 to Q4 2016 so that should explain the change in numbers. We should take both licensed and SORN figures to establish how many cars are still in existence.
Ray. We can have a reasonable stab at the numbers defined on this database and it is a matter of conjecture as to the Tasmins and Missings and whatever are really our cars. If we look at engine sizes, Q4 2016, for 280S, 290S and V8S we get the following:
2.8 litre. 70
2.9 litre. 705
Over 3.9 litre. 173
Total. 948
In addition there will be more vehicles, particularly in 1992 which cannot be identified. There will be a reasonable number of V8S in this year.
So, Ray I agree with your analysis of the numbers left. To put this into perspective it must be only so many hours production at Nissan in Sunderland!
2.8 litre. 70
2.9 litre. 705
Over 3.9 litre. 173
Total. 948
In addition there will be more vehicles, particularly in 1992 which cannot be identified. There will be a reasonable number of V8S in this year.
So, Ray I agree with your analysis of the numbers left. To put this into perspective it must be only so many hours production at Nissan in Sunderland!
TurboTony said:
So, Ray I agree with your analysis of the numbers left. To put this into perspective it must be only so many hours production at Nissan in Sunderland!
I know some people on here work in the motor industry, but one of the best factory visits I ever did was to Nissan.At the time they were making 99 cars per year per employee..
The level of automation is amazing - multiple models all going down the same (fast moving) production line, all synchronised to the parts arriving..
You're right about the SORN impact.
Last time I did this it was clear (for all TVR) that more cars went on SORN, but the overall number of cars wasn't declining significantly.
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