Car turns left into police station across bike lane
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Obvious really
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5408529/Dr...
Do they have a similar highway code in Ireland
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5408529/Dr...
Do they have a similar highway code in Ireland
I may get flayed alive for this one but was the car not clearly indicating and virtually in the position to turn already? Wouldn't it have made some sense for the cyclist to slow down?
Not saying the driver shouldn't have checked but it's not as if the driver wildly swung left into the entrance.
Not saying the driver shouldn't have checked but it's not as if the driver wildly swung left into the entrance.
I've noticed recently cyclists will deliberately ride to cause an accident. I was turning out a t junction and miss-judged the cyclists speed heading towards me. Instead of gently lifting off and slowing down and accepting I'd miss timed it he instead slammed his brakes on and made a big show of it. I was never in any danger of hitting him, if he'd kept going he'd possibly have hit the rear quarter and gone over the boot (doubtful tho) but given I saw that he made eye contact and saw me move off and I figured (wrongly) I had space to get out then it really was a non incident. Yes it was my bad but why act like that? I've seen it happen with other people in situations where cars need to cross cycle lanes, cars have indicated and moved over but the cyclist refuses to adapt his speed and then acts like the car has cut him up.
As a driver I'm never meant to drive in a way that causes another road user to change their speed or direction due to me but sometimes in traffic it's unavoidable. Cyclists seem to think otherwise.
As a driver I'm never meant to drive in a way that causes another road user to change their speed or direction due to me but sometimes in traffic it's unavoidable. Cyclists seem to think otherwise.
That's a 50/50 in my view. Bit dumb of the driver to not check his mirror especially when there's a cycle lane there, plus the Highway Code tells you these days to check for two wheeled idiots on the left before moving off.
On the other hand the cyclist was riding like a complete wazzock; far, far too fast, assuming the lane was his, paying no attention apparently to the van that also turns in (what would he have done if it had stopped mid-turn - he was still going too quick!) and not showing any defensive or risk avoidance at all.
so 50/50, but the cyclist got the worst of it and his bruises will hopefully remind him not to ride like a pillock next time. You have to leave space - nobody ever crashed into open space.
On the other hand the cyclist was riding like a complete wazzock; far, far too fast, assuming the lane was his, paying no attention apparently to the van that also turns in (what would he have done if it had stopped mid-turn - he was still going too quick!) and not showing any defensive or risk avoidance at all.
so 50/50, but the cyclist got the worst of it and his bruises will hopefully remind him not to ride like a pillock next time. You have to leave space - nobody ever crashed into open space.
I think that's part of the problem (I'm a cyclist and a daily commuting motorcyclist before anyone froths at the mouth).
I see it daily. Self entitled idiots on two wheels (cycles and motor bikes)
They seem to be angry at the world. Riding like idiots.
It's very difficult in London particularly, when in the car to see every fast moving, weaving nutter on two wheels.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you're a vulnerable position, you are responsible for your own safety as far as possible.
The majority of people in cars don't give a crap, and just go about their day - if you get yourself killed (me included) it won't really affect them in the same way.
The guy assuming the car will see him and not turn across him, will get him killed. Regardless of fault. Although in this case it was cyclists.
I see it daily. Self entitled idiots on two wheels (cycles and motor bikes)
They seem to be angry at the world. Riding like idiots.
It's very difficult in London particularly, when in the car to see every fast moving, weaving nutter on two wheels.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you're a vulnerable position, you are responsible for your own safety as far as possible.
The majority of people in cars don't give a crap, and just go about their day - if you get yourself killed (me included) it won't really affect them in the same way.
The guy assuming the car will see him and not turn across him, will get him killed. Regardless of fault. Although in this case it was cyclists.
corozin said:
That's a 50/50 in my view. Bit dumb of the driver to not check his mirror especially when there's a cycle lane there, plus the Highway Code tells you these days to check for two wheeled idiots on the left before moving off.
On the other hand the cyclist was riding like a complete wazzock; far, far too fast, assuming the lane was his, paying no attention apparently to the van that also turns in (what would he have done if it had stopped mid-turn - he was still going too quick!) and not showing any defensive or risk avoidance at all.
so 50/50, but the cyclist got the worst of it and his bruises will hopefully remind him not to ride like a pillock next time. You have to leave space - nobody ever crashed into open space.
I agree with this. I don't undertake indicating vehicles - but the driver should have checked. 50/50. On the other hand the cyclist was riding like a complete wazzock; far, far too fast, assuming the lane was his, paying no attention apparently to the van that also turns in (what would he have done if it had stopped mid-turn - he was still going too quick!) and not showing any defensive or risk avoidance at all.
so 50/50, but the cyclist got the worst of it and his bruises will hopefully remind him not to ride like a pillock next time. You have to leave space - nobody ever crashed into open space.
HC said:
General rules, techniques and advice for all drivers and riders
1.Overview
This section should be read by all drivers, motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders. The rules
in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you
when you should give way to others.
Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.
1.Overview
This section should be read by all drivers, motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders. The rules
in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you
when you should give way to others.
Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.
The Selfish Gene said:
furthermore - I'd be going after the idiot cyclist for damage to my car. I assume he isn't insured - so it would be expensive for him, as he would be paying for all of the damage.
You'd be wasting your time. If that was two cars colliding it'd go 50:50. The car is turning left from the right-hand lane... which he is perfectly entitled to do, but that doens't mean he doesn't have to give way to vehicles already in the lane he's turning across. #ETA: In the UK at least. I've no idea of the rules in Ireland.
Edited by kambites on Monday 19th February 17:26
Alex_225 said:
I may get flayed alive for this one but was the car not clearly indicating and virtually in the position to turn already? Wouldn't it have made some sense for the cyclist to slow down?
Not saying the driver shouldn't have checked but it's not as if the driver wildly swung left into the entrance.
Eh?Not saying the driver shouldn't have checked but it's not as if the driver wildly swung left into the entrance.
What video did you watch?
MDMetal said:
I've noticed recently cyclists will deliberately ride to cause an accident. I was turning out a t junction and miss-judged the cyclists speed heading towards me. Instead of gently lifting off and slowing down and accepting I'd miss timed it he instead slammed his brakes on and made a big show of it. I was never in any danger of hitting him, if he'd kept going he'd possibly have hit the rear quarter and gone over the boot (doubtful tho) but given I saw that he made eye contact and saw me move off and I figured (wrongly) I had space to get out then it really was a non incident. Yes it was my bad but why act like that? I've seen it happen with other people in situations where cars need to cross cycle lanes, cars have indicated and moved over but the cyclist refuses to adapt his speed and then acts like the car has cut him up.
As a driver I'm never meant to drive in a way that causes another road user to change their speed or direction due to me but sometimes in traffic it's unavoidable. Cyclists seem to think otherwise.
Not just cyclist, all road users do it.As a driver I'm never meant to drive in a way that causes another road user to change their speed or direction due to me but sometimes in traffic it's unavoidable. Cyclists seem to think otherwise.
sc0tt said:
Alex_225 said:
I may get flayed alive for this one but was the car not clearly indicating and virtually in the position to turn already? Wouldn't it have made some sense for the cyclist to slow down?
Not saying the driver shouldn't have checked but it's not as if the driver wildly swung left into the entrance.
Eh?Not saying the driver shouldn't have checked but it's not as if the driver wildly swung left into the entrance.
What video did you watch?
kambites said:
The Selfish Gene said:
furthermore - I'd be going after the idiot cyclist for damage to my car. I assume he isn't insured - so it would be expensive for him, as he would be paying for all of the damage.
You'd be wasting your time. If that was two cars colliding it'd go 50:50. The car is turning left from the right-hand lane... which he is perfectly entitled to do, but that doens't mean he doesn't have to give way to vehicles already in the lane he's turning across. #ETA: In the UK at least. I've no idea of the rules in Ireland.
Edited by kambites on Monday 19th February 17:26
This one was in Ireland, the country where cyclists are permitted to cycle on pavements. It's a bizarre thing, which stems from allowing kids to cycle on pavements. Irish law didn't go far enough to say who could & who couldn't, so now everyone can. Outside my office in Dublin there's a cycle lane marked on the wide pavement, then it sort-of disappears. Lethal. It gets worse though, in the Phoenix Park there's a road, then a pavement, then a cycle lane. Anyone coming from the park to get to the pavement must cross the cycle lane. This time the cyclist didn't fare so well... https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/cour...
Edited by BFleming on Monday 19th February 18:24
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