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Frimley111R said:
Thing to remember though is that the BMI is GUIDE only. There will always be exceptions. I'm 5'10" and yet weigh 13st because I do lot of gym stuff and as muscle is heavier than fat... I weigh more than anyone on my family and yet most are taller than me.
Most of the population have never developed much muscle.As I've said, I'm lean and just under the overweight category. Most people at my BMI don't have much muscle mass. The weight is around their middle.
Too much muscle possibly isn't a good thing either.
Edited by MC Bodge on Thursday 26th April 14:27
BMI is absolutely useless and it's laughable that GPs and other health professionals even use it. According to BMI any bodybuilder worth his salt will show as overweight even if he has an 8 pack because it doesn't even take account for muscle mass. Go by body fat percentage. Anything over 15 percent or so is getting on the chubby side, 20 percent and you're a lard arse.
Frimley111R said:
Thing to remember though is that the BMI is GUIDE only. There will always be exceptions. I'm 5'10" and yet weigh 13st because I do lot of gym stuff and as muscle is heavier than fat... I weigh more than anyone on my family and yet most are taller than me.
its a guide as to the health of large groups of people, and was never devised to be applied to individuals, as it makes no account of muscle, bone, body shape etc. Its just a lazy misunderstanding that it keeps being applied to individuals... Unless you agree usian bolt is obese.TameRacingDriver said:
technodup said:
TameRacingDriver said:
I don't buy this BMI stuff. I am 5'10 and about 14 stone. I don't look fat in the slightest. Yeah I'm not ripped by any stretch of the imagination either but nobody thinks I am fat.
Most blokes I know are around similar.
According to the BMI I'd have to be about 11 stone to be ideal. Last time I was that someone said I liked like a cancer victim.
I'm 5'10 and bang on 11 stone. Most blokes I know are around similar.
According to the BMI I'd have to be about 11 stone to be ideal. Last time I was that someone said I liked like a cancer victim.
Stand next to me and you'll look pretty fat.
I've just put my details into the calculator on the beeb, and apparently, I am obese. I will admit to being a little overweight, but obese is ridiculous, there's just no way.
You've got the equivalent of 42 extra bags of sugar compared to someone bang middle of the 'healthy' section.
Due to a heath condition I've lost a bit of leg muscle, so if and when that is resolved I expect to 'make gains bro'. But not 42 bags.
As an aside, and relevant to the conditioning we see (I'n not fact compared to.. etc) I've bought a couple of pairs of shorts recently. Both massively oversized at the waist. I'm sure brands are slowly increasing the size of a 32" waist so as to keep people thinking they're a 32 when actually they're a fat f
k. I know it's been happening in women's clothes for years, I think men are catching up.
I don't think I'll be the next movie action hero any time soon either!technodup said:
TameRacingDriver said:
technodup said:
TameRacingDriver said:
I don't buy this BMI stuff. I am 5'10 and about 14 stone. I don't look fat in the slightest. Yeah I'm not ripped by any stretch of the imagination either but nobody thinks I am fat.
Most blokes I know are around similar.
According to the BMI I'd have to be about 11 stone to be ideal. Last time I was that someone said I liked like a cancer victim.
I'm 5'10 and bang on 11 stone. Most blokes I know are around similar.
According to the BMI I'd have to be about 11 stone to be ideal. Last time I was that someone said I liked like a cancer victim.
Stand next to me and you'll look pretty fat.
I've just put my details into the calculator on the beeb, and apparently, I am obese. I will admit to being a little overweight, but obese is ridiculous, there's just no way.
You've got the equivalent of 42 extra bags of sugar compared to someone bang middle of the 'healthy' section.
Due to a heath condition I've lost a bit of leg muscle, so if and when that is resolved I expect to 'make gains bro'. But not 42 bags.
As an aside, and relevant to the conditioning we see (I'n not fact compared to.. etc) I've bought a couple of pairs of shorts recently. Both massively oversized at the waist. I'm sure brands are slowly increasing the size of a 32" waist so as to keep people thinking they're a 32 when actually they're a fat f
k. I know it's been happening in women's clothes for years, I think men are catching up.I think there is a growing culture among slimmer people to sneer at anyone who doesn't have a 6-pack and a 30" waist. But not everyone can, wants to, or cares about that, but that doesn't make them fat, in my opinion obviously. A fat person to me is someone who you see waddling around huffing and puffing after climbing a set of stairs, not someone who doesn't have visible abs.
technodup said:
As an aside, and relevant to the conditioning we see (I'n not fact compared to.. etc) I've bought a couple of pairs of shorts recently. Both massively oversized at the waist. I'm sure brands are slowly increasing the size of a 32" waist so as to keep people thinking they're a 32 when actually they're a fat fk. I know it's been happening in women's clothes for years, I think men are catching up.
I don't buy clothes very often (like every few years) and my latest pair of jeans (32 inch) are massive. I had to change them for 30 inch despite the fact that my old 32 inch jeans fit fine. I have one pair of very old 30 inch jeans that I can do up, but if I dropped my car keys I couldn't retrieve them.... k. I know it's been happening in women's clothes for years, I think men are catching up.Then there's the powerfully built types who claim they can still get in 32 inch waist trousers providing they fasten them under their gut
EazyDuz said:
BMI is absolutely useless and it's laughable that GPs and other health professionals even use it. According to BMI any bodybuilder worth his salt will show as overweight even if he has an 8 pack because it doesn't even take account for muscle mass. Go by body fat percentage. Anything over 15 percent or so is getting on the chubby side, 20 percent and you're a lard arse.
It's not absolutely useless, it just doesn't work for the tiny fraction of the population that has significant muscle mass.It's a really useful rule of thumb.
TameRacingDriver said:
Yeah overweight as in I wouldn't mind losing a bit of weight (and am actively trying to do so). But I am not fat, a fat person to me is obese. I am not obese. Nobody with eyes would ever describe me as such. To most people I will look to be a fairly average or slightly above average weight (hence overweight) and probably reasonably well built (broad shoulders, back, chest).
I think there is a growing culture among slimmer people to sneer at anyone who doesn't have a 6-pack and a 30" waist. But not everyone can, wants to, or cares about that, but that doesn't make them fat, in my opinion obviously. A fat person to me is someone who you see waddling around huffing and puffing after climbing a set of stairs, not someone who doesn't have visible abs.
You (as many do) need to reset reality. I'm 6'1" and 14 stone and fairly fit and I need to lose 1/2 a stone. When I weighed 16.5 I thought like you...I think there is a growing culture among slimmer people to sneer at anyone who doesn't have a 6-pack and a 30" waist. But not everyone can, wants to, or cares about that, but that doesn't make them fat, in my opinion obviously. A fat person to me is someone who you see waddling around huffing and puffing after climbing a set of stairs, not someone who doesn't have visible abs.
I don't need to reset anything. It's called being realistic, and also being happy with life generally.
I would like to lose a bit more weight and as I said, I am trying to do so. But if it means not touching alcohol again, eating leaves and spending 20 hours a week exercising then I'll be fking miserable and would probably rather take my chances, thanks very much
I hardly think being a stone or two overweight is really the end of the world, but then we live in a world where nowadays we are told that drinking a can of lager a day will result in imminent death when the reality is very different.
In essence we are simply being guilted into doing what the health Nazis think we should be doing. But hey I'm sure they'll have no regrets when they are sitting in a old peoples home at 100 pissing their pants because they lived such a righteous lifestyle. Clearly though the brainwashing is working.... Just not with everyone which appears to annoy those who chose to live life the way they want to live it.
"I do it so you MUST as well"
Incidentally this thread seems to have moved on from picking on morbidly obese women to sneering at anyone over 12 stone. Interesting...
I would like to lose a bit more weight and as I said, I am trying to do so. But if it means not touching alcohol again, eating leaves and spending 20 hours a week exercising then I'll be f
king miserable and would probably rather take my chances, thanks very much I hardly think being a stone or two overweight is really the end of the world, but then we live in a world where nowadays we are told that drinking a can of lager a day will result in imminent death when the reality is very different.
In essence we are simply being guilted into doing what the health Nazis think we should be doing. But hey I'm sure they'll have no regrets when they are sitting in a old peoples home at 100 pissing their pants because they lived such a righteous lifestyle. Clearly though the brainwashing is working.... Just not with everyone which appears to annoy those who chose to live life the way they want to live it.
"I do it so you MUST as well"
Incidentally this thread seems to have moved on from picking on morbidly obese women to sneering at anyone over 12 stone. Interesting...
I go to the gym, I drink beer.
My gran is 93 sat in a nursing home barely able to move, in constant pain from her crumbling bones and various other ailments, my dad said he read something that said if you drink a pint a day it takes three years off your life, to be honest I will take my chances as what she is going through now is a fate worse than death. She never drinks other than a sherry at Christmas, eats moderately and has never smoked.
My father in law caned it, ate what he wanted, smoked like a chimney, drank like a fish and he had a major heart attack and stroke aged 79, then died a couple of days later having been mobile and active.
I know which approach I prefer
My gran is 93 sat in a nursing home barely able to move, in constant pain from her crumbling bones and various other ailments, my dad said he read something that said if you drink a pint a day it takes three years off your life, to be honest I will take my chances as what she is going through now is a fate worse than death. She never drinks other than a sherry at Christmas, eats moderately and has never smoked.
My father in law caned it, ate what he wanted, smoked like a chimney, drank like a fish and he had a major heart attack and stroke aged 79, then died a couple of days later having been mobile and active.
I know which approach I prefer
J4CKO said:
I go to the gym, I drink beer.
My gran is 93 sat in a nursing home barely able to move, in constant pain from her crumbling bones and various other ailments, my dad said he read something that said if you drink a pint a day it takes three years off your life, to be honest I will take my chances as what she is going through now is a fate worse than death. She never drinks other than a sherry at Christmas, eats moderately and has never smoked.
My father in law caned it, ate what he wanted, smoked like a chimney, drank like a fish and he had a major heart attack and stroke aged 79, then died a couple of days later having been mobile and active.
I know which approach I prefer
Here here My gran is 93 sat in a nursing home barely able to move, in constant pain from her crumbling bones and various other ailments, my dad said he read something that said if you drink a pint a day it takes three years off your life, to be honest I will take my chances as what she is going through now is a fate worse than death. She never drinks other than a sherry at Christmas, eats moderately and has never smoked.
My father in law caned it, ate what he wanted, smoked like a chimney, drank like a fish and he had a major heart attack and stroke aged 79, then died a couple of days later having been mobile and active.
I know which approach I prefer
I am much the same as yourself.Not pointing the finger at anyone here, but there are FAR too many self-righteous people around nowadays. Live and let live, I say. I really don't know why it upsets other people so much what others choose to do with their lives. Oh I forgot, its because "their" money pays for peoples treatment in hospital, which in their eyes could have been avoidable. I don't see how its different from me objecting to "my" money being spent treating someone whos been scraped off the pavement in a motorcycle accident, or other similar avoidable issue, but do I complain? No I do not.
jimPH said:
There's a bit of self denial going on around here, or just basic internet body top trumps.. Under scrutiny most of you would be either fat, skinny or lacking any muscular development.
Again so what? You are perfect, I take it? 
TameRacingDriver said:
To most people I will look to be a fairly average or slightly above average weight (hence overweight) and probably reasonably well built (broad shoulders, back, chest).
That's precisely the problem though, most people are fat but wearing a kid on 32 waist to deceive them into thinking they're not. Of course they won't think you're fat, just as they don't see themselves as fat.There are a lot of people being conned, by the food and fashion industries amongst others.
TameRacingDriver said:
J4CKO said:
I go to the gym, I drink beer.
My gran is 93 sat in a nursing home barely able to move, in constant pain from her crumbling bones and various other ailments, my dad said he read something that said if you drink a pint a day it takes three years off your life, to be honest I will take my chances as what she is going through now is a fate worse than death. She never drinks other than a sherry at Christmas, eats moderately and has never smoked.
My father in law caned it, ate what he wanted, smoked like a chimney, drank like a fish and he had a major heart attack and stroke aged 79, then died a couple of days later having been mobile and active.
I know which approach I prefer
Here here My gran is 93 sat in a nursing home barely able to move, in constant pain from her crumbling bones and various other ailments, my dad said he read something that said if you drink a pint a day it takes three years off your life, to be honest I will take my chances as what she is going through now is a fate worse than death. She never drinks other than a sherry at Christmas, eats moderately and has never smoked.
My father in law caned it, ate what he wanted, smoked like a chimney, drank like a fish and he had a major heart attack and stroke aged 79, then died a couple of days later having been mobile and active.
I know which approach I prefer
I am much the same as yourself.Not pointing the finger at anyone here, but there are FAR too many self-righteous people around nowadays. Live and let live, I say. I really don't know why it upsets other people so much what others choose to do with their lives. Oh I forgot, its because "their" money pays for peoples treatment in hospital, which in their eyes could have been avoidable. I don't see how its different from me objecting to "my" money being spent treating someone whos been scraped off the pavement in a motorcycle accident, or other similar avoidable issue, but do I complain? No I do not.
jimPH said:
There's a bit of self denial going on around here, or just basic internet body top trumps.. Under scrutiny most of you would be either fat, skinny or lacking any muscular development.
Again so what? You are perfect, I take it? All the below is entirely uneducated opinion:
I am a bit of a bloater. I admit that. I need to lose 2 stone.
However I have always been of the opinion that if you want 8 visible abdominal muscles etc etc - it's really just a matter of wanting it enough. You eat the right food and do the right exercise.
If you don't have abs - like me - its probably because ultimately I have clearly made the choice that I prefer cheese to having a 6 pack. Because given the chance I go for the cheese not the carrot. If I wanted abs badly enough, I expect I'd resist the cheese.
I appreciate my stand point will likely make me 'disgusting' to those who have said as much on the thread.
I have to say I do admire the dedication that people who have these physiques - it's impressive. However, I don't respect the ones who use that as a stick to beat others with - personally I would guess that their motivation is born out of insecurity and the berating of others for saying 'my body is fine' is because they feel it detracts from the kudos of their achievement in being all ripply and buff - and therefore the general level of respect they receive from humanity at large.
That said.....ads like the simply be one on tele at the moment for 'lingerie'*...my partner is the feminists feminists and even she thinks that the women on that aren't 'curvy' - they're just big.
I am a bit of a bloater. I admit that. I need to lose 2 stone.
However I have always been of the opinion that if you want 8 visible abdominal muscles etc etc - it's really just a matter of wanting it enough. You eat the right food and do the right exercise.
If you don't have abs - like me - its probably because ultimately I have clearly made the choice that I prefer cheese to having a 6 pack. Because given the chance I go for the cheese not the carrot. If I wanted abs badly enough, I expect I'd resist the cheese.
I appreciate my stand point will likely make me 'disgusting' to those who have said as much on the thread.
I have to say I do admire the dedication that people who have these physiques - it's impressive. However, I don't respect the ones who use that as a stick to beat others with - personally I would guess that their motivation is born out of insecurity and the berating of others for saying 'my body is fine' is because they feel it detracts from the kudos of their achievement in being all ripply and buff - and therefore the general level of respect they receive from humanity at large.
That said.....ads like the simply be one on tele at the moment for 'lingerie'*...my partner is the feminists feminists and even she thinks that the women on that aren't 'curvy' - they're just big.
- that look more like trusses to be honest.
TameRacingDriver said:
I don't need to reset anything. It's called being realistic, and also being happy with life generally.
I would like to lose a bit more weight and as I said, I am trying to do so. But if it means not touching alcohol again, eating leaves and spending 20 hours a week exercising then I'll be fking miserable and would probably rather take my chances, thanks very much
I hardly think being a stone or two overweight is really the end of the world, but then we live in a world where nowadays we are told that drinking a can of lager a day will result in imminent death when the reality is very different.
In essence we are simply being guilted into doing what the health Nazis think we should be doing. But hey I'm sure they'll have no regrets when they are sitting in a old peoples home at 100 pissing their pants because they lived such a righteous lifestyle. Clearly though the brainwashing is working.... Just not with everyone which appears to annoy those who chose to live life the way they want to live it.
"I do it so you MUST as well"
Incidentally this thread seems to have moved on from picking on morbidly obese women to sneering at anyone over 12 stone. Interesting...
No need to be so defensive. I would like to lose a bit more weight and as I said, I am trying to do so. But if it means not touching alcohol again, eating leaves and spending 20 hours a week exercising then I'll be f
king miserable and would probably rather take my chances, thanks very much I hardly think being a stone or two overweight is really the end of the world, but then we live in a world where nowadays we are told that drinking a can of lager a day will result in imminent death when the reality is very different.
In essence we are simply being guilted into doing what the health Nazis think we should be doing. But hey I'm sure they'll have no regrets when they are sitting in a old peoples home at 100 pissing their pants because they lived such a righteous lifestyle. Clearly though the brainwashing is working.... Just not with everyone which appears to annoy those who chose to live life the way they want to live it.
"I do it so you MUST as well"
Incidentally this thread seems to have moved on from picking on morbidly obese women to sneering at anyone over 12 stone. Interesting...
This is what I mean by reset. Fat is the new normal, and that brings with it pretty significant costs to society.
But trying to claim BMI is nonsense and then admitting you're overweight and are trying to lose some weight is a bit silly. For 99% of the population BMI is a decent guide. No, it doesn't work for Usain Bolt, the England Rugby team or Mr Universe but they're not exactly average.
What happened to pinching an inch?
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