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J4CKO said:
I go to the gym, I drink beer.
My gran is 93 sat in a nursing home barely able to move, in constant pain from her crumbling bones and various other ailments, my dad said he read something that said if you drink a pint a day it takes three years off your life, to be honest I will take my chances as what she is going through now is a fate worse than death. She never drinks other than a sherry at Christmas, eats moderately and has never smoked.
My father in law caned it, ate what he wanted, smoked like a chimney, drank like a fish and he had a major heart attack and stroke aged 79, then died a couple of days later having been mobile and active.
I know which approach I prefer
If you could choose the outcome then the YOLO plan would be brilliant...My gran is 93 sat in a nursing home barely able to move, in constant pain from her crumbling bones and various other ailments, my dad said he read something that said if you drink a pint a day it takes three years off your life, to be honest I will take my chances as what she is going through now is a fate worse than death. She never drinks other than a sherry at Christmas, eats moderately and has never smoked.
My father in law caned it, ate what he wanted, smoked like a chimney, drank like a fish and he had a major heart attack and stroke aged 79, then died a couple of days later having been mobile and active.
I know which approach I prefer
Bill said:
If you could choose the outcome then the YOLO plan would be brilliant...
I'd say his approach a fairly healthy and balanced one in fairness.If it was all about the YOLO then I imagine he'd be surrounded by hookers, Columbian marching powder and whisky and little thought given to healthy activities
NickCQ said:
What's wrong with the last two? I'm not a manual labourer so setting aside the usual macho bulls
t muscular development is pretty irrelevant.
Not really, ever heard of age related muscular dystrophy? (Not to mention weights have lots of other benefits, it's just the gym bros who bang on about biceps and whatnot all the time)t muscular development is pretty irrelevant.TameRacingDriver said:
I'd say his approach a fairly healthy and balanced one in fairness.
If it was all about the YOLO then I imagine he'd be surrounded by hookers, Columbian marching powder and whisky and little thought given to healthy activities
Jacko, quite possibly, it's my approach which is why I still have a bit of a spare tyre. His FiL, not so much. Sure, he checked out quickly with little grief but he got away with it. Plenty of others in the same boat had the stroke before they were 70...If it was all about the YOLO then I imagine he'd be surrounded by hookers, Columbian marching powder and whisky and little thought given to healthy activities
MC Bodge said:
I agree with most of that.
amongst my colleagues it appears to be the norm for men of 30+ to have a shirt that stretches around the middle and a belt that goes under the stomach.
Do remember that a middleweight Boxer is actually probably more like 12 stone 5lb, other than at the weigh-in. But yes, I'd probably be a middleweight or super middleweight.
In a country full of fatties, I'm pleased to be a lean, fit man in my 40s.
I left the 5lbs out as that is a kebab and a couple of pints for me haha. amongst my colleagues it appears to be the norm for men of 30+ to have a shirt that stretches around the middle and a belt that goes under the stomach.
Do remember that a middleweight Boxer is actually probably more like 12 stone 5lb, other than at the weigh-in. But yes, I'd probably be a middleweight or super middleweight.
In a country full of fatties, I'm pleased to be a lean, fit man in my 40s.
Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 25th April 22:00
Yes the old tuck under belt technique looks terrible when you're 50 but at 30...
NickCQ said:
I haven't, but I'll do some reading about it.
My suspicion is that I would have heard about it if there was an epidemic of lifelong skinny people wasting away in later life
Well that's actually what happens to everyone, but doing weights can, apparently, minimise the loss to a pretty significant degree. I'll get back to you in 30 years or so My suspicion is that I would have heard about it if there was an epidemic of lifelong skinny people wasting away in later life
Bill said:
Jacko, quite possibly, it's my approach which is why I still have a bit of a spare tyre. His FiL, not so much. Sure, he checked out quickly with little grief but he got away with it. Plenty of others in the same boat had the stroke before they were 70...
Yep, and I hear that, but just because you live a healthy lifestyle doesn't guarantee a long life either; my dad at one time was a social worker, and he said just as many healthy people popped their clogs as unhealthy even at a relatively young age.Nobody can guarantee anything so I guess you just have to make your choices and live or die by them
My mother and father have drank probably at least a bottle of wine every night for at least 35 years, and both are pretty healthy considering they are in their mid 60s. My dad is not even overweight. I'm not trying to endorse drinking that much but it does at least prove that plenty of people can still live fairly decent lifespans and enjoy themselves in the process. The idea of selling completely to the healthy lifestyle - i.e. don't drink, don't smoke, don't take drugs, don't eat red meat... or any meat, don't speed, in fact just don't take risks ever sounds like a pretty grim way to live to me, I'd have no social life, and frankly, I'd rather be dead
MC Bodge said:
I remember that.
They eventually realised that 70% of the population could now pinch 4" and that they were fighting a lost battle.
It's interesting that the fat waist has long been known to be an issue.
Pinch an inchThey eventually realised that 70% of the population could now pinch 4" and that they were fighting a lost battle.
It's interesting that the fat waist has long been known to be an issue.
Became feel a foot!
If so many are classed as obese, then they aren’t obese!
They are normal.
Not saying it’s right, or wrong. Just sayin
If being fat is normal, then normal is bring fat!
We need to re visit our standards.
20 years ago a fast car hit 60 in 7 seconds, that’s not fast now.
Same with weight.
Thankyou4calling said:
MC Bodge said:
I remember that.
They eventually realised that 70% of the population could now pinch 4" and that they were fighting a lost battle.
It's interesting that the fat waist has long been known to be an issue.
Pinch an inchThey eventually realised that 70% of the population could now pinch 4" and that they were fighting a lost battle.
It's interesting that the fat waist has long been known to be an issue.
Became feel a foot!
If so many are classed as obese, then they aren’t obese!
They are normal.
Not saying it’s right, or wrong. Just sayin
If being fat is normal, then normal is bring fat!
We need to re visit our standards.
20 years ago a fast car hit 60 in 7 seconds, that’s not fast now.
Same with weight.
Just because almost everybody is fat doesn't mean that we should decide that it is fine and just provide everybody with mobility scooters.
I don't know about everybody else, but I don't think that I would enjoy being the often claimed "2 stone" (which is probably more in reality) overweight and unfit. Physical condition must be quite limiting for many people.
For as long as possible, I hope that I am in a condition that doesn't inhibit me from taking part in any activity or responding to a situation.
Being very overweight and out of condition, especially whilst young, just seems wrong.
I would suggest that able bodied men should be able to run 5k in 25 minutes, fireman's lift/ carry somebody of their own weight across a football pitch, do 5 proper pullups and 20 proper pressups. As a start.
Edited by MC Bodge on Thursday 26th April 21:16
DonkeyApple said:
And the data that backs all this up? What’s the data that shows that obese people cost the State more than healthy?
What I am saying is that it isn’t as cut and dry as some make out. I would be very happy for you to show the facts that back up your claims.
Very few people are net contributors anyway as the amount of tax needed to be paid to cover the lifetime cost of an individual is surprisingly high. The last report I read was claiming that you had to be a highest rate tax payer for a considerable period to be a net contributor so maybe only those people could honestly have a pop at fatties being a drain but then maybe they aren’t as much of a drain as thin people? The data would be interesting.
Yep all good points and some proper data would be interesting for sure, I’m sure none of this is clear cut and there’s exceptions to every assumption. What I am saying is that it isn’t as cut and dry as some make out. I would be very happy for you to show the facts that back up your claims.
Very few people are net contributors anyway as the amount of tax needed to be paid to cover the lifetime cost of an individual is surprisingly high. The last report I read was claiming that you had to be a highest rate tax payer for a considerable period to be a net contributor so maybe only those people could honestly have a pop at fatties being a drain but then maybe they aren’t as much of a drain as thin people? The data would be interesting.
But you don’t need scientifically proven data to look around you. I’m 50 years old but I’m fitter/lighter than the average guy/girl 20 years younger than me, this can’t be a good sign for the future.
The bigger everyone becomes the more and more over the years I've had to endure being labeled as skinny, 2 stone wet through, etc etc, constantly. Facebook, photos, texts, instagram it doesn't end.
I'm 5'11 and 72kg. Which is smack bang in the middle of healthy weight and I've spent the last 12 years as a Royal Marine so I'm not exactly a 1 chip a day and no exercise guy.
My automatic reply now to any of the constant digs is "atleast I'm not a fat like you".
It pisses me off and I fking hate fat people.
I'm 5'11 and 72kg. Which is smack bang in the middle of healthy weight and I've spent the last 12 years as a Royal Marine so I'm not exactly a 1 chip a day and no exercise guy.
My automatic reply now to any of the constant digs is "atleast I'm not a fat
like you".It pisses me off and I f
king hate fat people.Zoobeef said:
The bigger everyone becomes the more and more over the years I've had to endure being labeled as skinny, 2 stone wet through, etc etc, constantly. Facebook, photos, texts, instagram it doesn't end.
I'm 5'11 and 72kg. Which is smack bang in the middle of healthy weight and I've spent the last 12 years as a Royal Marine so I'm not exactly a 1 chip a day and no exercise guy.
That's ridiculous. You're hardly emaciated! I suspect that you may well be generally fitter than people who accuse you of that.I'm 5'11 and 72kg. Which is smack bang in the middle of healthy weight and I've spent the last 12 years as a Royal Marine so I'm not exactly a 1 chip a day and no exercise guy.
TameRacingDriver said:
Yep, and I hear that, but just because you live a healthy lifestyle doesn't guarantee a long life either; my dad at one time was a social worker, and he said just as many healthy people popped their clogs as unhealthy even at a relatively young age.
Nobody can guarantee anything so I guess you just have to make your choices and live or die by them My mother and father have drank probably at least a bottle of wine every night for at least 35 years, and both are pretty healthy considering they are in their mid 60s. My dad is not even overweight. I'm not trying to endorse drinking that much but it does at least prove that plenty of people can still live fairly decent lifespans and enjoy themselves in the process.
The idea of selling completely to the healthy lifestyle - i.e. don't drink, don't smoke, don't take drugs, don't eat red meat... or any meat, don't speed, in fact just don't take risks ever sounds like a pretty grim way to live to me, I'd have no social life, and frankly, I'd rather be dead
Luckily it isn't a stark choice between fatso and lettuce eating monk.Nobody can guarantee anything so I guess you just have to make your choices and live or die by them
My mother and father have drank probably at least a bottle of wine every night for at least 35 years, and both are pretty healthy considering they are in their mid 60s. My dad is not even overweight. I'm not trying to endorse drinking that much but it does at least prove that plenty of people can still live fairly decent lifespans and enjoy themselves in the process. The idea of selling completely to the healthy lifestyle - i.e. don't drink, don't smoke, don't take drugs, don't eat red meat... or any meat, don't speed, in fact just don't take risks ever sounds like a pretty grim way to live to me, I'd have no social life, and frankly, I'd rather be dead
Your parents aren't old, and should have 20 years left to hit the average...
Taking my mum's example she was a fat ex-smoking diabetic. She had breast cancer in her early 50s and shrugged that off. Then again in her mid 60s. By then she had some congestive heart failure so wasn't the best surgical case but needs must. She spent a few days in ITU afterwards, then got an infection (not helped by the diabetes...). She got over that but then, because she was unhealthy and her immune system had taken a massive hit had an anaphylactic reaction to the antibiotics.
She came out of hospital almost unable to climb the stairs because she'd lost what fitness she had but not the weight and her arthritic knees were struggling.
Fast forward to when she was 70 and she's doing well, fat and diabetic still but fine. And then a routine check finds a shadow on her liver that turns out to be melanoma (or skin cancer - not helped by smoking and obesity) Surgery isn't an option and she died despite chemo 3 months late due to the brain tumours.
I'm not posting for sympathy, but as an example. For every Uncle Jack who smoked until he was 102, there are 100s who struggle through the end of their shortened lives.
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Harry H said:
All this problem started around the same time as "Anti body shaming" began.
"be proud of your shape"
"I'm not fat I'm curvy"
" I'm voluptuous"
Agreed. Sarah's older sister is probably a size 18, maybe a 16, and describes herself as 'big and beautiful'. 0121 f"be proud of your shape"
"I'm not fat I'm curvy"
" I'm voluptuous"
king do one! As one side are having a great time gourging themselves, the other are just weak willed
BMI isn't about Aesthetics, it's about health. Having a low BMI doesn't give you a six pack without the associated muscle growth and working out. It works for pretty much everyone bar rugby players and body builders. Hell it even works for Usain Bolt with a BMI of 24.7 according to his height / weight on google.
I guess it comes down to we can't tell people how to look, everyone is free there. However, when other people (the state) picks up the health care bills associated with being overweight and obese then we do have an issue that needs to be addressed.
I guess it comes down to we can't tell people how to look, everyone is free there. However, when other people (the state) picks up the health care bills associated with being overweight and obese then we do have an issue that needs to be addressed.
In true PH stair dominating goateed director style, I'm 183cm and 105-107kg (6 foot & c 16.5 stone), clearly this is 101% muscle and BMI measurements are rubbish......
Clothes: Trousers are 34 or 36 depending on who made them, chest c 46/48, neck 18 and weirdly long arms(I'm blaming them for an additional 5kg).
I was up to 5kg heavier when younger, but bodyfat will be higher now, most of the time from age 23-35 I was 100-108kg. I was a runt when I turned 18 though at c 70kg
Clothes: Trousers are 34 or 36 depending on who made them, chest c 46/48, neck 18 and weirdly long arms(I'm blaming them for an additional 5kg).
I was up to 5kg heavier when younger, but bodyfat will be higher now, most of the time from age 23-35 I was 100-108kg. I was a runt when I turned 18 though at c 70kg
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